Isaiah 22:20 The Keys!

[adam_in_ohio]

I’m trying to tye up some lose ends before I put this part of my apology on my blog. I could use the help.
In Isaiah 22:20-25 I understand the compairson to Mt 16:15-19. In Isaiah I get a little blurry on what exactly is be said in the last few verses of chapter 22. Mainle 22:23-25. Vers 23 I think I get but I think my lack of deep Old Testament understand is why vers 24 and 25 seem a ittle blurry.
I think I do understand it. But that could be looking at it through a Catholic point of view. And seeing more than what is there.

 

[NotWorthy]

In regards to the peg broken away, I think Isaiah is talking about the coming Babylonian Exile, where Jerusalem falls. This is a good example of Typology, where the OT type is but a shadow of the good things to come.

Notice, Jesus doesn’t parallel these verses (23-25) like he did with the previous verses, instead he contrasts it.

Eliakim’s Peg will fall, just as Israel falls.

The gates of hell, however, will never prevail against Christ’s Church. Why? He will be with us til the end of the age.

Is this what you were looking for?

 

[adam_in_ohio]

Yes I think so. Thanks! One last thing. In Mt 16:20 why are they told not to tell any one? (I know this but it’s been some time since it’s come up and I’m drawing a blank.)

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And** I hold the keys of death and Hades**.

As a protestant, I don’t see any relationship between the keys in Matthew and Isaiah. You may, want to use Isaiah as a hook, discussing what are the keys.

And, expand on what keys exactly the apostles held, and if those keys can only be given to one by God. example of Paul not getting his office of apostle from man.

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

And, discuss the possiblity of Acts 1 qualifications for an apostle.
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[adam_in_ohio]

Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And** I hold the keys of death and Hades**.

As a protestant, I don’t see any relationship between the keys in Matthew and Isaiah. You may, want to use Isaiah as a hook, discussing what are the keys.

And, expand on what keys exactly the apostles held, and if those keys can only be given to one by God. example of Paul not getting his office of apostle from man.

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

And, discuss the possiblity of Acts 1 qualifications for an apostle.
p067.ezboard.com/fthetruth11187frm2.showMessage?topicID=1562.topic

In Mt16:19 what is ment if there is no connection from Isaiah

 

[mercygate]

Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And** I hold the keys of death and Hades**.

The keys Jesus promises to Peter are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Revelation, Jesus holds the **keys of death and Hades. **Interesting, huh?

As a protestant, I don’t see any relationship between the keys in Matthew and Isaiah. You may, want to use Isaiah as a hook, discussing what are the keys.

I don’t think it’s about “discussing” what the keys are. It’s about holding the keys. The Isaiah passage is about establishing an office that gets passed from one keyholder to the next.

And, expand on what keys exactly the apostles held, and if those keys can only be given to one by God. example of Paul not getting his office of apostle from man.

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

And, discuss the possiblity of Acts 1 qualifications for an apostle.
p067.ezboard.com/fthetruth11187frm2.showMessage?topicID=1562.topic

Although Paul received his particular mission as an Apostle directly from God, he exercises it entirely under the Church. Jesus specifically tells him to go to Damascus and wait for Ananias, who has also received a personal visitation from the Lord. It is from Ananias, representing the Church, that Paul receives not only his sight but also baptism and the Holy Spirit. Then Paul is taken up to Jerusalem to be introduced to the “eyewitnesses”.

If being an eyewitness and walking with disciples ‘from the baptism of John until He was taken up’ is a qualification for taking Judas’ place, then Paul, himself, would not qualify. Paul is a prime example of how God calls and the Church ratifies the call. Paul was not a Lone Ranger.

 

[NotWorthy]

Yes I think so. Thanks! One last thing. In Mt 16:20 why are they told not to tell any one? (I know this but it’s been some time since it’s come up and I’m drawing a blank.)

Jesus hasn’t fully established His Church yet and is not prepared to die.

What happens when Jesus finally acknowledges that he is the Messiah the Son of David? He dies within a week. From my understanding, this event in Matthew 16 takes place around the end of the Festival of Lights on the Day of Atonement, which places it some 6 months from the Passover. During this time, Jesus will set His face toward Jerusalem, an OT reference to preparing Himself to die.

As you well know, on the Day of Atonement, the High Priest of Israel is able to utter the name of God, Yahweh. And on this “Day of Atonement”, Peter the High Priest of the New Israel, professes that Jesus is, “The Christ, the Son of the Living God”.

 

[adam_in_ohio]

Got it!
I thought it was after Jesus put the smack down in the temple they decided to kill Jesus.

 

[NotWorthy]

Got it!
I thought it was after Jesus put the smack down in the temple they decided to kill Jesus.

Jesus put the smack down on the Temple immediately after riding into Jerusalem on the colt, the foal of an ***, right?

The crowds preceding him and those following kept crying out and saying: “Hosanna to the Son of David; blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord; hosanna in the highest.” 10 And when he entered Jerusalem the whole city was shaken and asked, “Who is this?” 11 And the crowds replied, “This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all those engaged in selling and buying there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
13 And he said to them, “It is written: ‘My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a den of thieves.” 14 The blind and the lame approached him in the temple area, and he cured them. 15 When the chief priests and the scribes saw the wondrous things he was doing, and the children crying out in the temple area, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant

 

[adam_in_ohio]

yes but isn’t this what drove them to kill Jesus. Jesus claming to be God just happen to be what they used to charge him. Right?

 

[NotWorthy]

yes but isn’t this what drove them to kill Jesus. Jesus claming to be God just happen to be what they used to charge him. Right?

If you were the authority of a group of people. And someone came that could usurp that authority, would you take this person lightly?

They certainly didn’t kill Jesus for overturning the money changers tables.

 

[adam_in_ohio]

Maby I it’s the other way around

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

yes but isn’t this what drove them to kill Jesus. Jesus claming to be God just happen to be what they used to charge him. Right?

see John 5:18

They wanted to kill him because he broke their sabbath traditions, and because he called God his father making himself equal with God.