Islam and Afterlife

[jakasaki]

defenation of islam in quran isn’t just the relegion of followers of mohammed (pbuh)

we believe that islam was a faith of all prophets including jesus and moses and abraham (peace be upon them all )
then when we say that nonmuslims will abide in hell , then we refer to all whom opposed thier prophets teaching

the christians who followed the true way of jesus are muslims , and the jews who followed the true way of moses (pbuh) are muslims , and the muslims who follows the true path of mohammed *pbuh" are real muslims

Hi there Elwill -

I will not speak for the rest of the CAF Christian members on here… I will only speak for myself.

Please, I understand what you believe but do not call Jesus (etal) muslims. Why is it that islam just can’t stand on it’s own without any attachment to us.

And again I do not speak for others, Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace - He does not need the pbuh.

And another thing, you wrote above,

christians who followed the true way of jesus are muslims

the jews who followed the true way of moses (pbuh) are muslims

and then you wrote:

the muslims who follows the true path of mohammed *pbuh" are real muslims

So, based on you… Jews & Christians are “muslims” but those who follow mohamad are “real” muslims…

Please get back to OP:

Re: Islam and Afterlife

 

[jakasaki]

Ok,the “people of the Book” have a special status,but generally speaking nonmuslims goto hell

**People of the Book are nonmuslims. ** …!!!

They, people of the book… are Jews & do NOT believe & acknowledge mohamad & islam

They, people of the book… are Christians & do NOT believe & acknowledge mohamad & islam

 

[dolphinlove]

Indeed I am muslim sister… indeed I am.

I’m a technical business analyst by profession for software & hardware for 30+ years. I do need to be as you call it… “meticulous”

What you meant & what you wrote are 2 different scenarios and now you are back peddling…

Back to the OT & OP’s thread!

pam im a system tester by trade, i test scenarios of programs etc, as you should know, any chance of sponcer ship??? lol

 

[Heliotropium]

When people truly value and experience love I feel that Christianity will again flourish.

I fully agreee with this statment. Our Lord showed us that to love completley we must sacrifice compleltey and to humble ourselves so we can conform to the most just and perfect Will of the Father. Material things, and indulgence in our senses and passions are the very things that lead us in the opposite path of Gods Will. It would make no sense for God to have such things in heaven as rewards especially since they are the same things which have sent so many of his creation to hell.

We should pray for the intercessory help of the Blessed Virgin Mary that our brothers and sisters in Isalm may be convereted so they could experience the love of Christ Jesus.

Pax

 

[jakasaki]

pam im a system tester by trade, i test scenarios of programs etc, as you should know, any chance of sponcer ship??? lol

Ah… yeah…Dolph…

I’ll have my people contact your people… & hey… lets do lunch some day…

 

[bosnian_muslim]

Please, I understand what you believe but do not call Jesus (etal) muslims. Why is it that islam just can’t stand on it’s own without any attachment to us.

And again I do not speak for others, Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace - He does not need the pbuh.

Why cant christianity stand on its own? judaism?! islam doesnt stand on yours,we believe in Jesus pbuh but im sure you would not aknowledge the Jesus of Koran as your Jesus,even if they are the same persons

and please,christians dont have “all rights reserved” on Jesus,he is an important part of Islam ,he is mentioned more times then Muhammed,his mother is the only woman that has her own surah named after her.Your version is not important to us.

 

[bosnian_muslim]

People of the Book are nonmuslims. …!!!

They, people of the book… are Jews & do NOT believe & acknowledge mohamad & islam

They, people of the book… are Christians & do NOT believe & acknowledge mohamad & islam

but they do aknowledge La illahe illallah(at least jews and sabians do,).Thats tewhid(monotheism)-the most important thing to God,anything will be forgiven but lack of tewhid will not

 

[jakasaki]

Why cant christianity stand on its own? judaism?! islam doesnt stand on yours,we believe in Jesus pbuh but im sure you would not aknowledge the Jesus of Koran as your Jesus,even if they are the same persons

and please,christians dont have “all rights reserved” on Jesus,he is an important part of Islam ,he is mentioned more times then Muhammed,his mother is the only woman that has her own surah named after her.Your version is not important to us.

**Tell you what… I was going to entertain your post, but decided against it… **

**If you want to discuss this post further, open a new thead & it shall be discussed…

I’ve already participated in post-jacking the OP’s thread… **

 

[FaithJoy]

A Christian God = for all the souls He created on earth, those souls will have same morals,beliefs,goodness in their heart in heaven. These souls also worship God forever.

A Muslim God = for all the souls He created on earth, those souls DO NOT have same morals,beliefs,goodness of heart in heaven. These souls also worship themselves in lust.( they may say they will worship God also but if lust is present,themselves are the main worshiped).

Heaven will NOT have sin in heaven. We also will have different heavenly bodies,we will NOT lust or crave for bodily( of the earth) things forever in heaven.

 

[Davidcameron]

Because Allah knows what is in your heart,some people dont want to know the truth,if a person is searching the truth,and he is honest God will guide him

Bosnian, if islam’s allah knows, muhammad would not have been poisoned by the lambchop (that the jewish woman made) and then left to die painfully.

 

[Davidcameron]

**The fact remains that islam’s allah offers its martyrs 72 houri virgins each. According to islamic scripture these are not the women that comes from earth after their deaths, but specially MADE for the martyrs’ carnal pleasures.

You must first understand the approach. Make the community devoid of knowledge (tell them to just submit & don’t question the faith - the root cause of why islam means SUBMISSION), make them socially inapt to fit into the world (by teaching them that secular knowledge is not worth pursuing and really a waste of time - Ancient Madrasahs teach primarily only islamic teachings), next in their desperation (due to their ignorance & failure to fit into the civilised world because of these teachings) offer them riches & women for killing non-muslims.

WHO…do you think when put into such desperate conditions would not finally plunge in and take the offer of 72 sexy virgins and riches??? Even if the reality of it is extremely remote if non-existent? PS. You have nothing else to lose when you have already lost your entire life.

When you starve people to desperation and feed them only cannabis then finally offer them great riches & women/pleasure if they follow your instruction to slaughter. You can be very SURE that you will have an army of FUNDAMENTALISTS willing to do ANYTHING for you. This is a similar tactic to that employed by drug lords to manipulate and control weak men & women into lives of crime & prostitution. **

 

[Justin1982]

I never received a response to this any thoughts?

I have an interesting question, are there apparitions for the people of the Islamic faith? There are many claimed by Christians but all are investigated by Vatican scientist and if there is no possible scientific explanation for the apparition then it is officially recognized by the Church, though not deemed intrinsic to the faith. Probably one of the most popular is the vision of Mary at Fatima in Portugal (1917). Where 3 children were visited by Mary while sheperding in the hills near their house. It is said that Mary gave them 3 secrets. One was a vision of hell, the next was about the end of WWI and the beginning of WWII and the third was about the attempted assassination of JPII. As for the children, 2 did not survive their childhood and the third, a girl, became a Catholic nun. Part of the reason why I ask is because it is reported that Mary had told the children, “More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason.” I welcome your thoughts.

 

[KathleenGee]

I did refer to it indirectly, Justin…that more souls go to hell for sins of the flesh…fornication…doing that, you can’t enter into the kingdom of heaven which is already here…today … in the present…as well.

So for a man to go to heaven to have 72 virgins is a sin itself. So muslim heaven is sinful.

 

[KathleenGee]

Back to post 71…if Muslims think most Christians go to hell because we are not like Muslims, then why do Muslims go to find prosperity in Christian lands…albeit…former Christian lands to live and prosper and practice their religion and yet see most everyone go to hell…that is sinful.

 

[bosnian_muslim]

Back to post 71…if Muslims think most Christians go to hell because we are not like Muslims, then why do Muslims go to find prosperity in Christian lands…albeit…former Christian lands to live and prosper and practice their religion and yet see most everyone go to hell…that is sinful.

at least here in Europe most people are not christian,so in that logic,christians are also living in sin

 

[bosnian_muslim]

Bosnian, if islam’s allah knows, muhammad would not have been poisoned by the lambchop (that the jewish woman made) and then left to die painfully.

What an argument lol

maybe God wanted him to die in that way? and of course,He wanted him to die like that

 

[kingal86]

The fact remains that islam’s allah offers its martyrs 72 houri virgins each. According to islamic scripture these are not the women that comes from earth after their deaths, but specially MADE for the martyrs’ carnal pleasures.

One woman (let alone 72) created just to provide sexual pleasure, with–presumably–no real mind or thoughts of her own, sounds to me (personally) freaky and like it would get boring very quickly except to the most misogynistic man, and not be particularly satisfying even from a selfish physical/emotional male POV. Men aren’t just animals, we may have a lot of lust but unlike rabbits we do occasionally want other things than just eating and sex too.

The very idea of a created sex slave with no free will sounds very wrong if they are sentient, and a bit like bestiality if they aren’t sentient.

And does the description of Paradise in the Koran presume a man is reading it? Why don’t women get 72 created male slaves to pleasure them? In fact, why can men have more than one wife, but women are stuck with one husband? (Presumably so paternity is known).

 

[bosnian_muslim]

Exactly!!

christianity is even lower then judaism,since jews are true monotheists,while i cant say that about christians

 

[bosnian_muslim]

why cant i say what islam teaches?

 

[bosnian_muslim]

It might interest you to learn Bosnian Muslim that my wife has Jewish, Muslim and Christian heritage and I have yet to hear her come out with such a ridiculous comment as ‘Christians been even lower than Jews’.

She is married to a Christian and she is of mixed heritage-there you have the answer why you wnt hear her say that

But its ok,i give up,i have no time to discuss this now