Islam and Heaven or paradise, do women go where men go when they die?

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Shall we talk about aggression? Aggression against non-believers, or worse against apostate Muslims, as taught in the Quran?
You didn’t answer my question. Do you know that is the truth about Kadaveri? Why be so aggressive to someone who has not shown aggression to you? No, I do not want to talk about Muslim aggression towards non Muslims and apostates in this thread, as it will just continue ad nauseam.
 
Seems to me that Islam was created by Satan. The view of heaven is completly about the PLEASURES of the FLESH. While Judaism (completly true, but incomplete) and Christianity( completly true and th completion of judiasm) are about being with God and worshipping our createor.

Islam is all about loving muslims and hating others. Islam teaches to hate nonbelievers, ecpecially Jews and Christians. Jews for thier blood, and Christians for thier faith. Islam is a diabolical faith inspired by Satan.

Now, I am sorry to offend any muslims here, but its not you or your people, its the ideas they hold, the faith they so wrongly trust in which is what I detest.
 
  1. The reason I *am *a Muslim is because I asked questions, the Qur’an is full of verses telling mankind to think and reflect on things instead of following conjecture and ‘tradition’.
You ask questions of other faiths. Did you think this is what I meant?
  1. I expect God to be logical, and I find everything Islam teaches about God to be perfectly logical.
This different conception of the Godhead constitutes the essential difference between Christianity and Islam, both in their concept of worship and of science. In Christianity, God is Logos (reason). In Islam, God is pure will. Christ warned us that the world would hate us for upholding Logos and the order of things it implies.
There’s nothing preventing me to reject Islam if ever I want to, and I’d be much more likely to die electrocuting myself with a toaster than killed for leaving Islam.
The penalty for leaving Islam is death. That is why my Christian-convert friend can never return to Iran.
 
You didn’t answer my question. Do you know that is the truth about Kadaveri? Why be so aggressive to someone who has not shown aggression to you? No, I do not want to talk about Muslim aggression towards non Muslims and apostates in this thread, as it will just continue ad nauseam.
I’ve read enough of Kadaveri’s posts to deduce both the intention and the means.
 
Seems to me that Islam was created by Satan. The view of heaven is completly about the PLEASURES of the FLESH. While Judaism (completly true, but incomplete) and Christianity( completly true and th completion of judiasm) are about being with God and worshipping our createor.

Islam is all about loving muslims and hating others. Islam teaches to hate nonbelievers, ecpecially Jews and Christians. Jews for thier blood, and Christians for thier faith. Islam is a diabolical faith inspired by Satan.

Now, I am sorry to offend any muslims here, but its not you or your people, its the ideas they hold, the faith they so wrongly trust in which is what I detest.
seems?is that what you base your faith on ?is that what you will be responsible for in the day of jusgement ? have you searched about islam from islamic and anti-islamic sources?i dont think so
what about proving the physical pleasure of kingdom of heaven 🙂
are you upto it ?😉
 
You ask questions of other faiths. Did you think this is what I meant?

This different conception of the Godhead constitutes the essential difference between Christianity and Islam, both in their concept of worship and of science. In Christianity, God is Logos (reason). In Islam, God is pure will. Christ warned us that the world would hate us for upholding Logos and the order of things it implies.

The penalty for leaving Islam is death. That is why my Christian-convert friend can never return to Iran.
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 “And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”

2 Chronicles 15:13 “All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.”
 
seems?is that what you base your faith on ?is that what you will be responsible for in the day of jusgement ? have you searched about islam from islamic and anti-islamic sources?i dont think so
what about proving the physical pleasure of kingdom of heaven 🙂
are you upto it ?😉
For a Christian, there is no greater desire than the Beatific Vision, to be in the presence of God for eternity. “Proving the physical pleasure of the kingdom of heaven” will only work to emphasize that Islam is not true. So, please, prove the physical pleasure of the kingdom of heaven.
 
seems?is that what you base your faith on ?is that what you will be responsible for in the day of jusgement ? have you searched about islam from islamic and anti-islamic sources?i dont think so
what about proving the physical pleasure of kingdom of heaven 🙂
are you upto it ?😉
Ok fine, it is fact Satan created Islam. Ill base my faith on that.

You want me to prove, show sources in he koran about Islam granting pleasures of the flesh in its pages? Is that what asking?
 
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 “And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”

2 Chronicles 15:13 “All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.”
Christ came to fulfill Judaism. Using quotes from the Old Testament to justify the death penalty for apostate Muslims doesn’t work here. Does that make sense to you? “Believe what we teach you, or we will kill you.” How many Muslims are simply Muslim out of fear of death? Something to consider.

What does Christ teach?

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. (See Matthew 22:36-40)

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)
 
I think QuietTimes’ original question has been sufficiently answered, so unless he/she makes any complimentary questions I’m going to back out of this thread now.

Peace all.
 
For a Christian, there is no greater desire than the Beatific Vision, to be in the presence of God for eternity. “Proving the physical pleasure of the kingdom of heaven” will only work to emphasize that Islam is not true. So, please, prove the physical pleasure of the kingdom of heaven.
Genesis 2
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs * and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

Genesis 3
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ "

4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Matthew 26:29
I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom."

need more ?🙂
Luke 22:30

Genesis 2

9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.*
 
Seems to me that Islam was created by Satan. The view of heaven is completly about the PLEASURES of the FLESH. While Judaism (completly true, but incomplete) and Christianity( completly true and th completion of judiasm) are about being with God and worshipping our createor.

Islam is all about loving muslims and hating others. Islam teaches to hate nonbelievers, ecpecially Jews and Christians. Jews for thier blood, and Christians for thier faith. Islam is a diabolical faith inspired by Satan.

Now, I am sorry to offend any muslims here, but its not you or your people, its the ideas they hold, the faith they so wrongly trust in which is what I detest.
Exactly. I do not dislike kadaveri, because I do not know him. I detest the religion that he is trying to apologise for, because murder is committed in it’s name. Islam is a religion of fanatics and killers. Who crashed two airplanes into the Twin Towers, killing 348 of my brothers? And over 3000 innocent civilians. Who crashed into the Pentagon, killing 184 of my brothers and sisters? Who flew flight 93 into a field, killing all on board? Who is killing my brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afganistan every day, with cowardly IEDs? Who is terrorizing the UK, even as we speak? I’ll let you in on a little secret. It ain’t the Methodists or even the Mormons. They’re MOSLEMS. You in the UK are just now recognizing the folly of letting all those people into your country, from your former colonies. You have taken a viper to your bosom. Home grown fifth-column, right in your own neighborhood. Islam supports and justfies this war that they have against us, and in all the posts on these forums, no moslem has been able to prove differently.
 
Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
…They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.”

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk…

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: …In it are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord…

doesnt seem to be any heaven my God would make.
 
  1. The reason I *am *a Muslim is because I asked questions, the Qur’an is full of verses telling mankind to think and reflect on things instead of following conjecture and ‘tradition’.
  2. I expect God to be logical, and I find everything Islam teaches about God to be perfectly logical.
  3. There’s nothing preventing me to reject Islam if ever I want to, and I’d be much more likely to die electrocuting myself with a toaster than killed for leaving Islam.
That because in the UK they don’t execut apostates from Islam.
 
You in the UK are just now recognizing the folly of letting all those people into your country, from your former colonies. You have taken a viper to your bosom. Home grown fifth-column, right in your own neighborhood. Islam supports and justfies this war that they have against us, and in all the posts on these forums, no moslem has been able to prove differently.
No, it’s not ‘‘realizing folly’’ what you are describing is what the nationalist filth cry out every day. They deserve a home in this country as much as anyone else. The muslims in my neighbourhood are friends. I respect them. As has been pointed out before, every religion has its fair share of nasties, Islam is just flavour of the month (decade). Anyway I’ve strayed too far off topic so I’ll leave it at that.
 
seems?is that what you base your faith on ?is that what you will be responsible for in the day of jusgement ? have you searched about islam from islamic and anti-islamic sources?i dont think so
what about proving the physical pleasure of kingdom of heaven 🙂
are you upto it ?😉
This does not answer the OP try doing that and you may get further but I think you will be banned again.🤷
 
Genesis 2
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs * and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

Genesis 3*
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ "

4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Matthew 26:29
I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom."

need more ?🙂
Luke 22:30

Genesis 2

9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
What is this supposed to prove? Your point, if you have one is totally lost.
 
Genesis 2
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
Your verses on the creation of mankind are interesting, but have no connection to the “proving the pleasure of the kingdom of God”. In this creation story, I don’t see any sexual pleasure mentioned. Nor do I seen 72 virgins, young male “waiters” or a sexual market to choose “swollen-bosomed” partners. All of these things are promised in the Muslim afterlife.

The temptation for Eve involved attaining wisdom from “eating the forbidden fruit”, not sexual pleasure.
 
No, it’s not ‘‘realizing folly’’ what you are describing is what the nationalist filth cry out every day. They deserve a home in this country as much as anyone else. The muslims in my neighbourhood are friends. I respect them. As has been pointed out before, every religion has its fair share of nasties, Islam is just flavour of the month (decade). Anyway I’ve strayed too far off topic so I’ll leave it at that.
Abu Abdullah, standing in his ridiculous little hat and scraggly beard, interviewed by BBC last year before being convicted of terrorism and imprisoned, “I owe nothing to this country and infidels deserve death for their crimes against Islam.” BTW, Mr. Abdullah was born an englishman and converted to mohammedanism late in his life. They are so grateful for that your society has given them. Perhaps they would feel more at home in Pakistan, where they could be “real” moslems. Hmmmm?
 
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