Islam and Heaven or paradise, do women go where men go when they die?

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LDNCatholic said:
No, it’s not ‘‘realizing folly’’ what you are describing is what the nationalist filth cry out every day. They deserve a home in this country as much as anyone else. The muslims in my neighbourhood are friends. I respect them. As has been pointed out before, every religion has its fair share of nasties, Islam is just flavour of the month (decade). Anyway I’ve strayed too far off topic so I’ll leave it at that.
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Being the flavor of the decade doesn’t make radical Islam any less evil.
 
Eden said:
But they have had a number of “honor killings” the past year, haven’t they?
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Yes, and they are increasing in numbers.

But it is not legal yet to execut apostates. Given it time. The muslims in the UK want shari’ah law.
 
hosemonkey said:
Exactly. I do not dislike kadaveri, because I do not know him. I detest the religion that he is trying to apologise for, because murder is committed in it’s name. Islam is a religion of fanatics and killers. Who crashed two airplanes into the Twin Towers, killing 348 of my brothers? And over 3000 innocent civilians. Who crashed into the Pentagon, killing 184 of my brothers and sisters? Who flew flight 93 into a field, killing all on board? Who is killing my brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afganistan every day, with cowardly IEDs? Who is terrorizing the UK, even as we speak? I’ll let you in on a little secret. It ain’t the Methodists or even the Mormons. They’re MOSLEMS. You in the UK are just now recognizing the folly of letting all those people into your country, from your former colonies. You have taken a viper to your bosom. Home grown fifth-column, right in your own neighborhood. Islam supports and justfies this war that they have against us, and in all the posts on these forums, no moslem has been able to prove differently.
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the hundreds of thousands of civilians incinerated in the U.S. fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo, and in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
the two to five million post-World-War-II refugees from the Soviet Union who were forcibly returned to Stalin, to face either immediate execution or a slow death in the Gulag, on the orders of Roosevelt and Eisenhower in Operation Keelhaul;
the millions of civilians who died from hunger and disease as a result of U.S.-instigated mass starvation of Germans during 1945-1950 under the Morgenthau Plan;
the millions of Native Americans killed by soldiers and occupiers of their land in the 19th Century or allowed to starve to death by the U.S. government in the 20th (a clear case of genocide);
the thousands of Iranians tortured and murdered by SAVAK, the secret police of the regime installed in 1953 as a result of a CIA-led coup which overthrew the popular Iranian Premier, Mossadegh);
the murder of between 20,000 and 40,000 Vietnamese from 1968 to 1971 by the CIA in their political assassination program Operation Phoenix;
the million or so Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians killed by the American military in the 1960s and 70s whilst defending their countries from American domination (or simply because they happened to be where the Americans carried out their carpet bombings);
the tens of thousands of civilians who were tortured and murdered by CIA-installed dictatorships in Central and South America;
the 200,000 people (all civilians) killed (using U.S.-supplied equipment) as a result of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor in 1975 for which prior approval was given by the then U.S. President and U.S. Secretary of State (Ford and Kissinger);
the six million Brazilian Indians who have died as a result of the policies of multinational corporations;
the 10,000 to 20,000 people, mostly civilians, killed in the U.S.-supported 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel;
the 300,000 Iranians killed in the Iran/Iraq war, which was started by Iraq at the instigation of the U.S. (which supplied Iraq with the weapons it used);
the 200,000 civilians killed by Reagan’s CIA-cocaine-funded Contras in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras in the 1980s;
the 6,000 (perhaps as many as 20,000) Iraqi civilians killed during the 41 days and nights of bombing by the British and the Americans in 1991 (during which time the civilian infrastructure was targeted, a war crime), including:
the 500 civilians (including whole families) burnt alive and turned into cinders when American missiles penetrated a shelter in Baghdad;
 
hosemonkey said:
Abu Abdullah, standing in his ridiculous little hat and scraggly beard, interviewed by BBC last year before being convicted of terrorism and imprisoned, “I owe nothing to this country and infidels deserve death for their crimes against Islam.” BTW, Mr. Abdullah was born an englishman and converted to mohammedanism late in his life. They are so grateful for that your society has given them. Perhaps they would feel more at home in Pakistan, where they could be “real” moslems. Hmmmm?
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Mr Abdullah is one Muslim. There are many more who are nothing like him. I personally know a Muslim boy set to join the Royal Marines and fight for England. It is not hard to see that the violent Muslims are in fact the ones going against the grain, not the other way around. I have seen what happens when fools allow their dislike of something to lead to hate of an entire group. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, Muslims are the new Irish.
 
Eden said:
Your verses on the creation of mankind are interesting, but have no connection to the “proving the pleasure of the kingdom of God”. In this creation story, I don’t see any sexual pleasure mentioned. Nor do I seen 72 virgins, young male “waiters” or a sexual market to choose “swollen-bosomed” partners. All of these things are promised in the Muslim afterlife.

The temptation for Eve involved attaining wisdom from “eating the forbidden fruit”, not sexual pleasure.
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oh you wanted me to prove it to contain physical pleasure 😃
 
duba5 said:
the hundreds of thousands of civilians incinerated in the U.S. fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo, and in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
the two to five million post-World-War-II refugees from the Soviet Union who were forcibly returned to Stalin, to face either immediate execution or a slow death in the Gulag, on the orders of Roosevelt and Eisenhower in Operation Keelhaul;
the millions of civilians who died from hunger and disease as a result of U.S.-instigated mass starvation of Germans during 1945-1950 under the Morgenthau Plan;
the millions of Native Americans killed by soldiers and occupiers of their land in the 19th Century or allowed to starve to death by the U.S. government in the 20th (a clear case of genocide);
the thousands of Iranians tortured and murdered by SAVAK, the secret police of the regime installed in 1953 as a result of a CIA-led coup which overthrew the popular Iranian Premier, Mossadegh);
the murder of between 20,000 and 40,000 Vietnamese from 1968 to 1971 by the CIA in their political assassination program Operation Phoenix;
the million or so Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians killed by the American military in the 1960s and 70s whilst defending their countries from American domination (or simply because they happened to be where the Americans carried out their carpet bombings);
the tens of thousands of civilians who were tortured and murdered by CIA-installed dictatorships in Central and South America;
the 200,000 people (all civilians) killed (using U.S.-supplied equipment) as a result of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor in 1975 for which prior approval was given by the then U.S. President and U.S. Secretary of State (Ford and Kissinger);
the six million Brazilian Indians who have died as a result of the policies of multinational corporations;
the 10,000 to 20,000 people, mostly civilians, killed in the U.S.-supported 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel;
the 300,000 Iranians killed in the Iran/Iraq war, which was started by Iraq at the instigation of the U.S. (which supplied Iraq with the weapons it used);
the 200,000 civilians killed by Reagan’s CIA-cocaine-funded Contras in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras in the 1980s;
the 6,000 (perhaps as many as 20,000) Iraqi civilians killed during the 41 days and nights of bombing by the British and the Americans in 1991 (during which time the civilian infrastructure was targeted, a war crime), including:
the 500 civilians (including whole families) burnt alive and turned into cinders when American missiles penetrated a shelter in Baghdad;
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None of which was sanctioned by Christianity or the Bible. The moslem’s war is religious and sanctioned by your holy book. You kill not in the name of politics, but in the name of God. Your Allah is not our God.
 
duba5 said:
the hundreds of thousands of civilians incinerated in the U.S. fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo, and in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
the two to five million post-World-War-II refugees from the Soviet Union who were forcibly returned to Stalin, to face either immediate execution or a slow death in the Gulag, on the orders of Roosevelt and Eisenhower in Operation Keelhaul;
the millions of civilians who died from hunger and disease as a result of U.S.-instigated mass starvation of Germans during 1945-1950 under the Morgenthau Plan;
the millions of Native Americans killed by soldiers and occupiers of their land in the 19th Century or allowed to starve to death by the U.S. government in the 20th (a clear case of genocide);
the thousands of Iranians tortured and murdered by SAVAK, the secret police of the regime installed in 1953 as a result of a CIA-led coup which overthrew the popular Iranian Premier, Mossadegh);
the murder of between 20,000 and 40,000 Vietnamese from 1968 to 1971 by the CIA in their political assassination program Operation Phoenix;
the million or so Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians killed by the American military in the 1960s and 70s whilst defending their countries from American domination (or simply because they happened to be where the Americans carried out their carpet bombings);
the tens of thousands of civilians who were tortured and murdered by CIA-installed dictatorships in Central and South America;
the 200,000 people (all civilians) killed (using U.S.-supplied equipment) as a result of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor in 1975 for which prior approval was given by the then U.S. President and U.S. Secretary of State (Ford and Kissinger);
the six million Brazilian Indians who have died as a result of the policies of multinational corporations;
the 10,000 to 20,000 people, mostly civilians, killed in the U.S.-supported 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel;
the 300,000 Iranians killed in the Iran/Iraq war, which was started by Iraq at the instigation of the U.S. (which supplied Iraq with the weapons it used);
the 200,000 civilians killed by Reagan’s CIA-cocaine-funded Contras in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras in the 1980s;
the 6,000 (perhaps as many as 20,000) Iraqi civilians killed during the 41 days and nights of bombing by the British and the Americans in 1991 (during which time the civilian infrastructure was targeted, a war crime), including:
the 500 civilians (including whole families) burnt alive and turned into cinders when American missiles penetrated a shelter in Baghdad;
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What does this prove? That a SECULAR country is responsible for many deaths? That accidents happen? That war should be avoided? That America is not a christian country when it comes to its policies?
 
duba5 said:
oh you wanted me to prove it to contain physical pleasure 😃
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Yes, you know, like the Quran - those 72 virgins and the like. By the way, the creation story in Genesis is not even referring to the afterlife. It is about how man once had everything he needed and life was pure and good, but because of sin we lost that paradise.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Mr Abdullah is one Muslim. There are many more who are nothing like him. I personally know a Muslim boy set to join the Royal Marines and fight for England. It is not hard to see that the violent Muslims are in fact the ones going against the grain, not the other way around. I have seen what happens when fools allow their dislike of something to lead to hate of an entire group. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, Muslims are the new Irish.
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Then that good moslem boy better watch his back, lest he be named a “fighter against God” and be done to death by his fellow moslems, especially if he makes it to Iraq.
 


Duba doesn’t mention the bombardment of human rights, freedom of expression or scientific, medical and technological advancements from the West that have been dropped on the world in his list. So, I thought I’d add them.
 
hosemonkey said:
Then that good moslem boy better watch his back, lest he be named a “fighter against God” and be done to death by his fellow moslems, especially if he makes it to Iraq.
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Most Muslims are nothing like the stereotypes you have been fed.
 
hosemonkey said:
None of which was sanctioned by Christianity or the Bible. The moslem’s war is religious and sanctioned by your holy book. You kill not in the name of politics, but in the name of God. Your Allah is not our God.
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prove
 
duba5 said:
prove
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Prove what? That America and the west kill in the name of politics? Or should we take 3 min (because that more than the time needed) to find Islams top clerics and see that they are to kill in the name of allah?
 
duba5 said:
wake up man ,the numbers you are writing are arabic not english
science of west is based on islamic civilization
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The keyboard you are using to type on your computer screen and post on the internet are recent and modern advances. The numbers I am writing are not an invention of recent memory.
 
MCS7474 said:
Prove what? That America and the west kill in the name of politics? Or should we take 3 min (because that more than the time needed) to find Islams top clerics and see that they are to kill in the name of allah?
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Maybe he wants us to prove that evil exists. All the more reason why we need to lean on our Savior.
 
duba5 said:
both:) ,read **all verses **and seek help of your brothers instead of saying things contradicting bible
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Genesis does not speak to an afterlife, as the Garden of Eden existed before death came into the world. Hence, there was no “afterlife” in Genesis.
 
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