Islam and homosexuality

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Muslim:
where do you get this? wtf are you talking about? are you smoking something?
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You really are deluded aren’t you?

amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE130052006
 
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onesimplemind:
Oh you mean that Iran isn’t a muslim state?
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i can have my own country and call it a Muslim state… it does not mean jack.
 
The tone of this thread is getting decidedly un-Christian. Can we please raise the level and tone of this discussion?
 
In Arab countries, aren’t women mutilated as children, so as to remove all ability to experience sexual pleasure? Aren’t they considered as being baby machines? Why are the women made to cover themselves completely? Is it because the men are considered to be so male, so masculine, that they will be inflamed with desire at the sight of a sock? This being the case, if a woman is raped, it is her own fault for tempting the male.
OR if women are supposed to be inherently evil and will seduce other men, they are mutilated to subdue their desires.
Which is it?
Also, what kind of relationship can a husband have with a wife who cannot feel anything? As I said, she is just a baby machine.
That said, isn’t it possible that many Arab men do have relationships with other men just to get a response of some kind?
Isn’t it possible that there is a depression in Arab men who cannot have a normal love relationship with a woman?
 
In Arab countries, aren’t women mutilated as children, so as to remove all ability to experience sexual pleasure?
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No idea. The concept is detestable, if true.

And you make a good point, if this IS true. The homosexual activity in America is based mainly upon the high rate of sexual experimentation we are witnessing right now, and others are active members of this lifestyle so as to achieve a shock-effect. In that case, these other men you speak of, while certainly in the wrong, are far more justified.
 
A good number of mulsim scholars do believe that homosexuality call for the death penalty as does adultery.
Homosexuality, moreover, is an abomination and a grave sin. In Hadith, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, clarifies the gravity of this abomination by saying: “Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut” repeating it three times; and he said in another Hadith: “If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers.” Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari’ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand. \quote]
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545556
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Not attempting to derail, but someone should point out that female genital mutilation is not a ‘Muslim’ practice – it is primarily an African one, and is also performed among Ethiopian Christians, Copts, and West African tribal religions among others. Many in the region are Muslim, but it is a part of their cultural tradition even apart from religion.

Hopefully the practice will end. And hopefully the Catholics and Muslims on this board will find more in common with each other than the oppression of homosexuals, though it’d be all too easy for this thread to become an argument about how to oppress non-straight people ‘correctly.’ 😦
 
Muslim said:
“If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful”
and the sexual intercourse has to be witnessed by 4 people…
after that they can be punished… if they are unmarried, they are usually punished depending on judges, usually flog… if they are married, they areflogged.
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Just curious here, but is this “repent and ammend” rule applicable to a woman and woman having sex?
 
Homosexuality is a greater sin and God has punished an entire people for this act (story of sodom and Gomorah). like many moral sins that are punishable by islamic law (adultry, gambeling, drinking ect…) homosexuality is also punishable by law, I won’t get into details of why and under what circumstances because they’re available in the links below, have a look and post your comments for further discussion.

al-islam.org/greater_sins_complete/16.htm#10
al-islam.org/greater_sins_complete/16.htm
 
cestusdei said:
I can bet why no post on this one.

Yes, they hung 2 Iranian teens recently. In Afghanistan they knock down walls on them. We believe that homosexuality is an objective moral disorder and that homosexual acts are always seriously sinful. That’s the nuts and bolts of it.
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you don’t think people have been killed in the USA for being homosexual?
 
Muslim said:
i can have my own country and call it a Muslim state… it does not mean jack.
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Neither does an illiterate turned thief, turned murderer, turned unholy religious leader who has no authority to claim he speaks for God. it does not mean jack.
 
Much of the Islamic world (both Shia and Sunni countries) have been taken over by fundamentalist Muslims who take a very extreme line on Islamic Law. The penalties of death for things like adultery and apostacy go back to the very beginning of Islam, which is the time fundamentalists see Islam was most ‘pure.’ Unfortunately some fundamentalists try to apply these laws which arose in a tribal society to the 21st century, with tragic results.

I am very glad Christianity adopted Roman Law along with Greek Philosophical rationality and justice, which gives more protections to a person accused of wrongdoing.
 
Why can’t we start this one on the basis of what we have in common first…

  1. *]Muslims and Catholics believe that homosexual acts are disordered and wrong.
    *]Acting upon sexual urges outside of marriage is wrong
    *]Birth control is wrong
    *]Repentance for sins and ceasing the offensive action is what is necessary to restore the offender to grace.
    Not so hard really… now let’s talk about punishment:
    Catholics believe that a person who indulges in pre/extramarital sex is cutting themselves off from God. This self exile leads to loss of salvation. This is the biggest consequence for these actions. Depending on the Country/State the offender may also in the case of adultery, may be subject to other punitive action like divorce or prosecution and in the case of sex with a minor almost certainly there will be legal consequences by the State. What are the consequences to a Muslim that commits such an offense? Please include whether the punishment comes from the religion or from the State governing body…and which governing authority.

    See, much better… we should never assume that even if it is a Muslim country, that the laws are purely Muslim.

    There are many things about Islam that are good… and we really need to acknowledge that the religion at least has a moral code much closer to our own than many of our Protestant Christians.
 
Muslim said:
Islam does not condone homosexuality nor does it condone killing of homosexuals.
If the best example of Islam you can find is Taliban and Iran… you need to do more research buddy.

The Qu’ran says that people sometimes have homosexual feelings but that they should keep it to themselves. its not illegal being gay but its illegal having sex with the same sex because a) its not within the context of marriage b) marriage = man and woman c) sodomy is illegal…

and im sure you Catholics (atleast the ones that truly know their religiona nd are open minded) woudl agree with that.

and a person with homosexual tendency who fights off their temptation is granted Paradise.

and only time killing someone is permitted is according to the Qu’ran is when that person kills.
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Excellent answer
 
onesimplemind said:
So Iran isn’t a muslim state?
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Some of the things that the Moral Police and government do in Iran are unIslamic. The people that carry out such acts will indeed meet their lord and have to face Him and answer to Him for the unIslamic things that they have done. They have at times gone against Shariah law and gave people punishments that were not according to and worse than the punishment of Shariah Law.

There are certain levels of sins, and bidah (innovation) is one of them, and altering Shariah and calling it Shariah is bidah, and that is not good in Islam.
 
Mirdath said:
Not attempting to derail, but someone should point out that female genital mutilation is not a ‘Muslim’ practice – it is primarily an African one, and is also performed among Ethiopian Christians, Copts, and West African tribal religions among others. Many in the region are Muslim, but it is a part of their cultural tradition even apart from religion.
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Thank you very much for saying this. Nowhere does it say in the Quran or the Sunnah to do such things.
 
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