Islam and the fate of Jesus

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I believe I read on this forum that Islam teaches many of the prophets were killed for proclaiming the word of God, but Islam does not believe Jesus was crucified. Please correct me if I am wrong, but if this is the case, what, from the Islamic prespective, makes Jesus any different from any of the other prophets that were killed? I know he is considered a greater prophet, but is there some other reason why Islam believes he was spared the fate of many earlier prophets? (Aside from God’s will, which is certainly a valid reason, but I am interested if there is an additional reasoning in this belief.)

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George
 
George Waters:
I believe I read on this forum that Islam teaches many of the prophets were killed for proclaiming the word of God, but Islam does not believe Jesus was crucified. Please correct me if I am wrong, but if this is the case, what, from the Islamic prespective, makes Jesus any different from any of the other prophets that were killed? I know he is considered a greater prophet, but is there some other reason why Islam believes he was spared the fate of many earlier prophets? (Aside from God’s will, which is certainly a valid reason, but I am interested if there is an additional reasoning in this belief.)

Thanks

George
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Hi George,

Ultimately it is the will of God, but there is a further mission that God has willed Jesus to fulfill and that is to return and kill the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) when he emerges and causes great trials and corruption in the land. I will post later on with the full story on the coming of Jesus from the Islamic perspective.
 
Thanks Hashi!

While you are at it… If Mohammed is considered the greatest prophet, why won’t he be the one to kill the anti-Christ? Just curious!

Thanks

George
 
George Waters:
Thanks Hashi!

While you are at it… If Mohammed is considered the greatest prophet, why won’t he be the one to kill the anti-Christ? Just curious!

Thanks

George
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That’s Allah’s will. However, i think it makes sense, since hes the one man that the 3 Abrahamic faiths have such differing views. The Jews think hes a liar, the chirstians think hes god and the muslims think hes a messenger…nothing like Jesus himself to tell us who he is.

When asked by Allah if Jesus commanded people to worship him, he will say

"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise." (Quran 5:117-018)
 
George Waters:
I believe I read on this forum that Islam teaches many of the prophets were killed for proclaiming the word of God, but Islam does not believe Jesus was crucified. Please correct me if I am wrong, but if this is the case, what, from the Islamic prespective, makes Jesus any different from any of the other prophets that were killed? I know he is considered a greater prophet, but is there some other reason why Islam believes he was spared the fate of many earlier prophets? (Aside from God’s will, which is certainly a valid reason, but I am interested if there is an additional reasoning in this belief.)

Thanks

George
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What you have to realise is that the Jesus of the Koran is not the same Jesus we read about in our bible. The Jesus of Islam is only a prophet, while the Jesus of the bible is God in human form come down to earth to serve as a blood sacrifice for our sins.

Islam isn’t the only faith to doubt the diety of Christ.
 
Chris LaRock:
What you have to realise is that the Jesus of the Koran is not the same Jesus we read about in our bible. The Jesus of Islam is only a prophet, while the Jesus of the bible is God in human form come down to earth to serve as a blood sacrifice for our sins.

Islam isn’t the only faith to doubt the diety of Christ.
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and Christianity isnt the only faith that made a god out of a man
 
Chris LaRock:
Jesus really is the creator of all things. (John 1)
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I didnt know Christians believed that…I thought you attributed that characteristic (Creator) to God “the Father”

Where was Jesus in the story outlined in Genesis…or in better words, what was his role?
 
Check this out:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” John 1:1

“All things were created through him, and there is nothing created that was not created by him.” John 1:3

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.” John 1:10

“And the word was made flesh and dwelled among us…” John 1:14

Christ accepted worship:
Matthew 2:11, 8:2, 9:18

Angels were to worship him:
Hebrews 1:6

Christ is omniscient:
John 1:48, 2:24-25, 6:70-71
Matthew 12:25
Luke 5:22, 6:8

Christ forgives sin
Mark 2:5
Luke 7:48
 
I recognize that Christianity and Islam have vastly differing views of the nature and role of Jesus. Regardless of this, Jesus (as God or man, depending on your faith) did exist in history as a man and I am curious why Islam believes he was spared death when earlier prophets were not and Judeo-Christian accounts support his death by crucifixion. (As Faith 101 pointed out some Jews may consider Jesus nothing more than a charlatan, but they do acknowledge his death at the hands of the Romans, as do all Christians.)

As I said earlier, I recognize that God’s will is a valid reason (the ultimate reason behind everything), but am interested to see if there are other reasons given in Islamic tradition.

On a side note, I also recognize that Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus (along with other faiths), that is your faith and I respect it though I do not agree. However, I would ask that quotes of Jesus discounting his divinity not be used in this discussion (there are numerous other threads addressing that topic as well as the Trinity) unless it directly answers the question of why Jesus’ fate differed from earlier prophets.

Faith 101, I like your theory that all three religions recognize Jesus in one form or another and that may be why He will be the one to return to judge us and combat the anti-Christ. (Of course I have my own theory, as I am sure you already know.) Is that your theory alone or is part of that found in Islamic tradition?

Thank you all very much,

George
 
I posted some of this information already on another thread but thought it might have some relevance here under this topic.

What I’m presenting here is the Baha’i view:

I would question that there is a true contradiction between the accounts of the Qur’an and the Bible of the crucifixion of Jesus.

The Qur’an does not actually deny a crucifixion occurred… The words are “it was made to appear to them” in Surih 2:157 that Jesus was crucified.

What occurred was they thought they had crucified the Christ “We killed Christ Jesus” but the Spirit of God (Ruh’u’llah) which was the title of Jesus cannot be crucified.

In another place in Qur’an it says Martyrs are not dead…

“And say not of those who are slain in the Way of Allah They are dead Nay they are living THOUGH YOU PERCEIVE IT NOT.”
  • Surih 2:154
Jesus Spirit was taken up to God “Allah raised Him up to Himself” in comformity to Luke 23:46

“Father into Your hands I commit My Spirit”

Qur’an has a different perspective but does not really contradict the Gospel in this regard.
So I’m presenting this perspective above recognizing that it is not accepting by most Muslims.
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Hashi Al-Eritre:
Hi George,

Ultimately it is the will of God, but there is a further mission that God has willed Jesus to fulfill and that is to return and kill the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) when he emerges and causes great trials and corruption in the land. I will post later on with the full story on the coming of Jesus from the Islamic perspective.
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What kind of a man is this Jesus? By all reckoning he did not die but live somewhere (not on this earth obviously). If history is anything to go by, it’s been some two thousand years now. And there is no knowing when he will come to kill Dajjal. maybe a couple of thousand years? Do we know?

Yes, what kind of a human is he?
 
Art,

Thank you very much your re-posting your comments here! It is a very interesting perspective, and I like to see different perspectives. We all believe (know) we are right and having different points of view can help us to see if we really are looking at the entire range of possibilities or just a fraction thereof!

Reuben,

Good questions! I look forward to hearing some possible answers. (I hope we do not overload our friend Hashi with too many questions too soon! 😃 )

Peace

George
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
Hi George,

Ultimately it is the will of God, but there is a further mission that God has willed Jesus to fulfill and that is to return and kill the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) when he emerges and causes great trials and corruption in the land. I will post later on with the full story on the coming of Jesus from the Islamic perspective.
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That is something I am interested in learning more about. I hope you will honor your promise.

amgid
 
I have faith in Hashi and am sure he will respond when he can! (Or I will hound him until he does! 😛 Just kidding Hashi!)

I appreciate Faith101 responding, she seems to be a person of great faith and I hope jcaz and/or Edris have the interest and time to respond as well. I have very much enjoyed their posts in the past!

Peace

George
 
I noticed something that bothered me as I was reading my copy of the Koran. Muslims and even the Koran contend that Jesus was only a prophet of God and not the savior, yet the Koran calls him ‘Christ Jesus’. This is a contradiction, since ‘Christ’ means savior/messiah. His true name is ‘Jesus of Nazareth’. The word ‘Christ’ is a title people called him, and used in the Bible to indicate Jesus as savior, not because his name is ‘Christ’.

So, the Koran calls him ‘Christ’, while denying he is ‘Christ’.
 
George Waters:
I know he is considered a greater prophet, but is there some other reason why Islam believes he was spared the fate of many earlier prophets? (Aside from God’s will, which is certainly a valid reason, but I am interested if there is an additional reasoning in this belief.)
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Hey George,

This is a good question, and surely, there are many wisdoms behind every decision that Allaah has made. Allaah has revealed the wisdom behind some of these decisions, and for others, we must be patient in our belief even when we do not know the wisdom behind them.

As for why was Jesus, peace be upon him, spared from death? The answer, George, is that this is God’s will, as Allaah has a plan for Jesus at the end of times, where he, peace be upon him, will return and kill the dajjal, lead the people, and will then die a normal death like all other prophets.

One could similarly ask, why was Noah allowed to get two of every animal, wouldn’t that be very difficult? Why was Elijah allowed to heal the sick? Or why was Moses able to part the ocean? Surely, that was a huge miracle that no one else did? Doesn’t that make Moses better? Or look at Adam not born of a human father or mother; doesn’t that make Adam better that others? No wait. Muhammad, peace be upon him, was the last prophet; doesn’t that make him the best?

And after asking these questions, we can spend hours and hours in deep thought trying to come up with theories. But these questions have already been answered by Allaah in the Quraan, when He says:
Say (O Muslims), “We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ’il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya’qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya’qûb (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).” (Al-Baqarah 2:136)
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This may not be what you wanted to hear George, but hope it helps either way.

Regards,
Jonathan
 
Chris LaRock:
I noticed something that bothered me as I was reading my copy of the Koran. Muslims and even the Koran contend that Jesus was only a prophet of God and not the savior, yet the Koran calls him ‘Christ Jesus’. This is a contradiction, since ‘Christ’ means savior/messiah. His true name is ‘Jesus of Nazareth’. The word ‘Christ’ is a title people called him, and used in the Bible to indicate Jesus as savior, not because his name is ‘Christ’.

So, the Koran calls him ‘Christ’, while denying he is ‘Christ’.
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Hey Chris,

I can be wrong, but I do not believe the Quraan calls Jesus, peace be upon him, “Christ Jesus.” Perhaps a translation calls him this. But I do not believe Christ will be found in the arabic. Now, you will find the word Messiah, as Allaah does say that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the expected Messiah.

Perhaps the translater of that copy chose “Christ Jesus” because he feels it is synonomous with saying Jesus. And really, Chris, from a Muslim perspective, I see nothing wrong with calling him Christ Jesus.

Perhaps you should refer to the meaning of Christos in Greek, as it does not mean “savior” as you alluded. Rather, Christos means “annointed one”, and a Muslim should have no problem calling 'Isa, Christ Jesus. So as you see, there is no contradiction at all. Rather it was merely a misunderstanding of what Christ actually means.

Jonathan
 
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jcaz:
Hey Chris,

I can be wrong, but I do not believe the Quraan calls Jesus, peace be upon him, “Christ Jesus.” Perhaps a translation calls him this. But I do not believe Christ will be found in the arabic. Now, you will find the word Messiah, as Allaah does say that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the expected Messiah.

Perhaps the translater of that copy chose “Christ Jesus” because he feels it is synonomous with saying Jesus. And really, Chris, from a Muslim perspective, I see nothing wrong with calling him Christ Jesus.

Perhaps you should refer to the meaning of Christos in Greek, as it does not mean “savior” as you alluded. Rather, Christos means “annointed one”, and a Muslim should have no problem calling 'Isa, Christ Jesus. So as you see, there is no contradiction at all. Rather it was merely a misunderstanding of what Christ actually means.

Jonathan
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But, you deny that he is the annointed one by reducing him to a mere prophet. He cannot be both the Christ and an ordinary prophet.
 
im sincere appologizes for making you wait so long George. Have gotten a bit preoccupied lately.

Im taking my material from Ibn Kathir’s ‘Signs before the day of judgement’.

Here is a summary of the final signs before the day of judgement:
After the lesser signs of the Hour appear and increase, mankind will have reached a stage of great suffering. Then the awaited Mahdee will appear; he is the first of the greater, and clear, signs of the Hour. There will be no doubt about his existence, but this will only be clear to the knowledgeable people. The Mahdee will rule until the False Messiah (al-Maseeh ad-Dajjaal) appears, who will spread oppression and corruption. The only ones who will know him well and avoid his evil will be those who have great knowledge and Eemaan (faith).
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The false Messiah will remain for a while, destroying mankind completely, and the earth will witness the greatest Fitnah (tribulation) in its history. Then the Messiah Jesus (alayhi salam) will descend, bringing justice from heaven. He will kill the Dajjaal, and there will be years of safety and security. Then the appearance of Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj (Gog and Magog) will take mankind by surprise, and corruption will overtake them again. In answer to Jesus’ faithful prayer to Allaah (subhanahu wa ta’aala), they will die, and safety, security, justice and stability will return.
This state of affairs will continue for some years, until the death of Jesus.
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The Scholars differ concerning the order in which the other greater signs of the Hour will come about. They are:
• The destruction of the Ka’bah and the recovery of its treasure.
• The rising of the sun from the west.
• The emergence of the Beast from the earth.
• The smoke.
• A wind will take the souls of the believers.
• The Qur’aan will be taken up into heaven.
• A fire will drive the people to their last gathering place.
• The Trumpet will be sounded: at the first sound everyone will feel terror; at the second sound all will be struck down; at the last sound all will be resurrected.
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Regarding the appearance of Jesus:

Abu Hurairah said, "The Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said, ‘The son of Mary will come down as a just leader. He will break the cross, and kill the pigs. Peace will prevail and people will use their swords as sickles. Every harmful beast will be made harmless; the sky will send down rain in abundance,and the earth will bring forth its blessings. A child will play with a fox and not come to any harm; a wolf will graze with sheep and a lion with cattle, without harming them.’ " [Ahmad]

Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said, “The Prophets are like brothers; they have different mothers but their religion is one. I am the closest of all the people to Jesus son of Mary, because there is no other Prophet between him and myself. He will come again, and when you see him, you will recognise him. He is of medium height and his colouring is reddish-white. He will be wearing two garments, and his hair will look wet. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, abolish the Jizyah and call the people to Islaam. During his time, Allaah will end every religion and sect other than Islaam, and will destroy the Dajjaal. Then peace and security will prevail on earth, so that lions will graze with camels, tigers with cattle, and wolves with sheep; children will be able to play with snakes without coming to any harm. Jesus will remain for forty years, then die, and the Muslims will pray for him.” [Ahmad]

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