Islam and violence?

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I constantly see non-Muslims arguing over the question of is Islam a religion of peaceful or violence.

I must say I find this situation odd, if you are not a Muslim, then what is Islam?

I would imigain it is simply a set of beleifs held by numerous people whch are homogenous enough to classify under the general title of “Islam”

If there were no Muslims, Islam would not exist.

Therefore, as I see it, arguing over it being “good or bad” presupposes some sort of objective, third persone existance, some sort of objective ontological core.

which, if one is not a Muslim, is a silly thing to presuppose.

Arguing over that question has as much merit as “Is America o good or evil nation” or “Is green a good or bad colour”

I think if what I have said is true, a great deal of difficulties will be resolved.
 
By the standard of peaceful religion, I think Islam is violence.
 
By the standard of peaceful religion, I think Islam is violence.
My point is that there is no such thing as “Islam” at least not in the sense that it is something that can be violent or peacefull.
 
My point is that there is no such thing as “Islam” at least not in the sense that it is something that can be violent or peacefull.
I don’t believe what you said but I am too lazy to argue against apologetic at the moment.
 
Hi

I think there is no violence in Islam, if somebody does it, then his act is extra-Quranical.

Thanks
I cannot properly explain my position on this. I will use the words of the Prophet Mohamed as record in the Quran instead. I especially like the last quote.

2:190-193 “Fight in the cause of God those who fight you … And slay them wherever ye catch them … And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God …”

2:216 “Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not.”

2:224 “Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things.”

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

4:101 “… For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.”

5:54 “O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.”

8:59-60 “Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know …”

8:65 “O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding.”

9:5 “… fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) …”

9:14 “Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame …”

9:29 “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

47:4 “Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) … but if it had been God’s will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost.”

61:4 “Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”

Now a person may want to attack me for this post. However, I am not expressing my opinions here. I am only quoting the Quran (Koran). If you have a problem with these words, remember that I am not the source.
 
I would imigain it is simply a set of beleifs held by numerous people whch are homogenous enough to classify under the general title of “Islam”.
You are correct. Now are those beliefs and actions guided by those beliefs. The answer to that lied in your next statement.
Therefore, as I see it, arguing over it being “good or bad” presupposes some sort of objective, third persone existance, some sort of objective ontological core.
There is an “objective, third persone existance, some sort of objective ontological core.” It is called God and the teachings of teh Catholic Church.

The teachings of islam according to the Catholic Church is not from God. That is why Muslims are heretics. If islam was truly from God all muslims would be Catholic.
 
4:101 “… For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.”
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5:54 Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other.
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9:5 “… fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) …”
And people blame the Catholic Church for the Crusades. 🤷
 
And people blame the Catholic Church for the Crusades. 🤷
I am a high school history teacher, and I have made it my MISSION to teach my students that Christians did NOT start the Crusades. Rather, they were a responses to violent Muslim conquests, and their desire to conquer and subdue Europe. Cheers for making sure that the truth was brought up!
 
I am a high school history teacher, and I have made it my MISSION to teach my students that Christians did NOT start the Crusades. Rather, they were a responses to violent Muslim conquests, and their desire to conquer and subdue Europe. Cheers for making sure that the truth was brought up!
Thats good. cheers! 🙂
 
I am a high school history teacher, and I have made it my MISSION to teach my students that Christians did NOT start the Crusades. Rather, they were a responses to violent Muslim conquests, and their desire to conquer and subdue Europe. Cheers for making sure that the truth was brought up!
As such, I am sure that you bring up the fact that Sicily was overrun my Moslems and that Moslem raiders were attacking the East coast of Italy, occupied large tracts of Spain just one year before the Pope called for the First Crusade. In the years leading up to this, Moslems had taken by war nearly half of all of Christendom (North Africa and the Middle East, Asia Minor, were predominantly if not exclusively Christian).

Thank you for teaching truth!
 
I am a high school history teacher, and I have made it my MISSION to teach my students that Christians did NOT start the Crusades. Rather, they were a responses to violent Muslim conquests, and their desire to conquer and subdue Europe. Cheers for making sure that the truth was brought up!
where do you teach?
 
I am a high school history teacher, and I have made it my MISSION to teach my students that Christians did NOT start the Crusades. Rather, they were a responses to violent Muslim conquests, and their desire to conquer and subdue Europe. Cheers for making sure that the truth was brought up!
Good luck. I hope the anti-Christian/anti-Church people don’t find you.😉
 
Good luck. I hope the anti-Christian/anti-Church people don’t find you.😉
I really do not care if they do. i’m just crazy and southern enough to tell them to bugger off! Besides, I like controversy. Nice people never got crucified.
 
If radical Islam is not a violent religion, I’d hate to see one that is…Roanoker
 
Alabama here. Nice to meet a fellow Rebel.
Wow. A Catholic in Alabama. I hope all is well for you guys down there. I am a Protestant, and I have heard other Prot. going off on you guys. What is the atmosphere like down there towards Catholics?

It’s always nice to meet a “fellow rebel”. Rebels are good things.
 
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