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since I know you like books if you really want to understand this stuff read this book
Crescent and Star: Turkey Between Two Worlds

opps I just realized something sorry about the book comment dzheremi I just assumed I was talking to RNOT since we have been exchanging posts all day and I knew he likes to read books. I’m so embarrassed right now:blush: :o yes I need to work on my reading skills.
Don’t be ashamed of your references. Post them and if anyone wants to read them - they at least have that option. the only ones that I know trying to censor people are our left wingers and muslims. (the left is trying to shut down conservative radio personalities - it seems that Obama and the rest of them cannot take criticism - they can shovel it but cannot take it, and the muslims are trying to censor Father Botros - they can shovel it but cannot take it. Seems like the description of bullies to me.)

They tried to censor the world via the UN - and the Europeans seem to like to obey the UN. They are trying to censor Geert Wilders right now, they have successfully found another prominant woman politician guilty and fined her. All these people do is state the obvious and with Geert - he just put in the surahs and the proof they are being practiced!

Something tells me that the same has/is happening in turkey too. I cannot believe that all is all rosey and cozy over there.

I do find it ironic that the ‘world’ made hardly a burp about Turkey’s actions against the Kurds. BUT WHEN ISRAEL protects her borders against the daily bombs lobbed into it - THE WORLD IS UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT!

But, the Kurds are muslim’s gnats and the muslims really don’t give a whip about them so the world goes back to bed and snoozes it up some more.
 
Planten,
If these acts are against Islam, and I do not doubt you on that, why do Muslims not stop them?
**There are misunderstandings. Some Muslims feel that when they are fasting then nobody should eat or drink in public. That is called the sanctity of Ramadhan. It is properly imposed in many countries.But it is improper, as far as I can understand. When I am fasting, I do not mind if any one keeps on eating in front of me.

I would rather serve food to non-Muslims if they come to my place.

It is because the Muslims feel that if eating ws allowed in the hotels or restaurants then every one start eating and thus harm the cause of the Ramadhan. There is something in it which I may not be understanding. But I still believe that it is wrong practice to make the non-Muslims and young children observe / act as if they were also fasting.**
 
Something tells me that the same has/is happening in turkey too. I cannot believe that all is all rosey and cozy over there.

I do find it ironic that the ‘world’ made hardly a burp about Turkey’s actions against the Kurds. BUT WHEN ISRAEL protects her borders against the daily bombs lobbed into it - THE WORLD IS UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT!

But, the Kurds are muslim’s gnats and the muslims really don’t give a whip about them so the world goes back to bed and snoozes it up some more.
Of course everything is not okay in Turkey there’s a ton of violence over there. There’s something you have to understand about the Kurdish situation that is strictly political they want to tear Turkey apart and establish their own country and what our media doesn’t tell you is these Kurds of this separatist party known as PKK used bases in Iraq to cross the border into Turkey to kill innocent civilians in Turkey much like the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan that are crossing over the border killing our troops and fleeing back into Pakistan where they are safe. Turkey got tired of the attacks and did something about it much like the Israelis have done in Gaza. The reason that the US government was against this action was because they were afraid it would destabilize Iraq but if the Iraqis had stopped these attacks from going to Turkey the war could have been prevented. Again the background for all of this is in that book I mentioned earlier. Seriously for anyone that really wants to understand Turkey read that book.
 
Of course everything is not okay in Turkey there’s a ton of violence over there. There’s something you have to understand about the Kurdish situation that is strictly political they want to tear Turkey apart and establish their own country and what our media doesn’t tell you is these Kurds of this separatist party known as PKK used bases in Iraq to cross the border into Turkey to kill innocent civilians in Turkey much like the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan that are crossing over the border killing our troops and fleeing back into Pakistan where they are safe. Turkey got tired of the attacks and did something about it much like the Israelis have done in Gaza. The reason that the US government was against this action was because they were afraid it would destabilize Iraq but if the Iraqis had stopped these attacks from going to Turkey the war could have been prevented. Again the background for all of this is in that book I mentioned earlier. Seriously for anyone that really wants to understand Turkey read that book.
What I have brought up is that it is ok for the Turks to defend itself - BUT NOT ISRAEL. In exactly a similar situation. the world over scrutinizes Israel while giving Turkey a pass. The same thing is wanted from both peoples and the world hardly gave a blink to the Kurd’s situation. I did not say it is right or it is wrong - in fact BOTH the Kurds and the muslims in Gaza are wrong and I am giving my opinion right now on that situation.

It was probably poorly worded - but the double standard is very noticable.

And that is due to the Kurds being ‘less than’ in everyone’s eyes - the Turks and the muslims, and the worlds.

If you don’t agree - then I am going to just say we need to agree to disagree.
 
What I have brought up is that it is ok for the Turks to defend itself - BUT NOT ISRAEL. In exactly a similar situation. the world over scrutinizes Israel while giving Turkey a pass. The same thing is wanted from both peoples and the world hardly gave a blink to the Kurd’s situation. I did not say it is right or it is wrong - in fact BOTH the Kurds and the muslims in Gaza are wrong and I am giving my opinion right now on that situation.

It was probably poorly worded - but the double standard is very noticable.

And that is due to the Kurds being ‘less than’ in everyone’s eyes - the Turks and the muslims, and the worlds.

If you don’t agree - then I am going to just say we need to agree to disagree.
oh yes I completely agree with you therein both situations
 
Here’s how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States – Muslim 0.6%
Austral ia – Muslim 1.5%
Canada – Muslim 1.9%
China – Muslim 1.8%
Italy – Muslim 1.5%
Norway – Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark – Muslim 2%
Germany – Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom – Muslim 2.7%
Spain – Muslim 4%
Thailand – Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves – along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France – Muslim 8%
Philippines – Muslim 5%
Sweden – Muslim 5%
Switzerland – Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands – Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago – Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana – Muslim 10%
India – Muslim 13.4%
Israel – Muslim 16%
Kenya – Muslim 10%
Russia – Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia – Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia – Muslim 40%
Chad – Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon – Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania – Muslim 70%
Malaysia – Muslim 60.4%
Qatar – Muslim 77.5%
Sudan – Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh – Muslim 83%
Egypt – Muslim 90%
Gaza – Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia – Muslim 86.1%
Iran – Muslim 98%
Iraq – Muslim 97%
Jordan – Muslim 92%
Morocco – Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan – Muslim 97%
Palestine – Muslim 99%
Syria – Muslim 90%
Tajikistan – Muslim 90%
Turkey – Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates – Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ – the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan – Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia – Muslim 100%
Somalia – Muslim 100%
Yemen – Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
I can absolutely see this.
The more they have in numbers the bolder and meaner they become to everyone else.

But Jesus said the righteous would suffer from those who hated us… He said pick up our crosses and follow Him.
He was killed first because of Who He is… and well, He also said we would be persecuted in the last days.

So the more they kill Christians - the more proof we have that Christianity is what Jesus said it would be in the end

THE ONE TRUE FAITH in Him.

SO far everything He ever said has come true.
We don’t have to force it, we don’t have to proove, we don’t have to make it come true…as recipients …

But on the other hand the Islamics are forcing things to come true in their own ‘prophecies’ which means they are fulfilling the words of Christ and beat against Him.

Just as He said to Saul and struck him down blind…
‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute ME?’

Jesus - the one who really knew.👍
 
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana – Muslim 10%
India – Muslim 13.4%
Israel – Muslim 16%
Kenya – Muslim 10%
Russia – Muslim 15%
I find it peculiar that Dr. Peter Hammond did not mention Singapore in his list. Over 15% of Singaporeans are Muslims and we have not had any violent occurrances since the 1960’s - and even that, was largely due to racial tensions rather than religious with the Muslims. The Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Christians and other religious groups have no problems whatsoever with Shari’a law (applicable only to Muslim citizens) and supermarket chains and restaurants that feature Halal products and foods. I guess this must be the way our country is run - with an iron fist and a no-nonsense approach policy that demands respect regardless of the religion we practice.
 
I guess this must be the way our country is run - with an iron fist and a no-nonsense approach policy that demands respect regardless of the religion we practice.
In a country where God’s law of love is written on hearts (as described in the Beatitudes, in chapters 5 and 6 of St. Matthew), an iron fist is not needed. Sadly, in my country, God’s law has become less respected, so an iron fist may be coming down upon us soon. After all, the Lord disciplines his sons, whom He loves.
 
I can absolutely see this.
The more they have in numbers the bolder and meaner they become to everyone else.

But Jesus said the righteous would suffer from those who hated us… He said pick up our crosses and follow Him.
He was killed first because of Who He is… and well, He also said we would be persecuted in the last days.

So the more they kill Christians - the more proof we have that Christianity is what Jesus said it would be in the end

THE ONE TRUE FAITH in Him.

SO far everything He ever said has come true.
We don’t have to force it, we don’t have to proove, we don’t have to make it come true…as recipients …

But on the other hand the Islamics are forcing things to come true in their own ‘prophecies’ which means they are fulfilling the words of Christ and beat against Him.

Just as He said to Saul and struck him down blind…
‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute ME?’

Jesus - the one who really knew.👍
We cannot afford to do what others have done when the muslim hordes are at their gates. They have died, let (not by their own will) their women and children become slaves which means they are condemned to islam and so are their children, or subjugated.

We have to fight (and I am not talking with bullets) to make sure they don’t get their demands met. And their demands are:
  • segregation (under the disguise of modesty when in reality it is a separation of them thinking they are superior and we are nothing but pigs, dogs and urine - and their women are not much better)
  • praying/dressing like a muslim in our schools so our school children start getting brainwashed.
  • start making our children aware of what islamic jihad means - and not the ‘we don’t want to offend the muslims’ version of it which makes christians look bad and the muslims look like victims.
  • stop hating Jews, or anyone the muslims want us to hate because of their twisted viewpoint of their victims being the aggressors if they fight back
  • stop all forms of sharia laws. If you bank is allowing it - change banks. Let them know EXACTLY why you are changing banks. Sharia laws is like segregation - we are giving them a separate set of rules and laws because they think that they are superior and we are inferior
  • stop catering to businesses that segregate bathrooms - that is the same thing that blacks had and it is indeed a segregation attempt to make one group of people superior over another. If there is a foot bath - go and use it right along with the muslims. Make them know that if it is a public building that everyone has a right to use it.
Stop thinking we should just lay down and die, we don’t have to be like the UK and start accepting sharia laws which is the laws that mean that we have no rights. This goes entirely against our constitution. And they have the worst human rights abuses in those countries that have them. And if you want to condemn future generations to islam - well, then lay down and just give up.

I joined Act for America and we are making people aware of what is happening in our nation - and others. And we are using our laws - just like they want to use our laws against us we are using them to protect us.
 
Planten,
I think that I was not clear. I was not asking about a specific case, though what you said about the fasting makes sense.

Here in the West, when we see information about violent acts or oppressive acts by Muslims, we are told that that is NOT Islam and MOST Muslims are opposed to such behavior. If this is true, why do the MOST Muslims not STOP these acts?

This is where we get confused. If you tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace and acceptance of others, then Muslims act in an opposite way and other Muslims do nothing to stop it, why should I accept that as true?

Why do these majority of Muslims who would allow for Christians and Jews to coexist peacefully not physically stop the smaller group that is making Islam seem like a religion of hate?
 
Stop them? How? Unless the peaceful muslims are willing to martyr themselves (like Christians martyrs who died for their faith), radical muslims will grow.
 
Stop them? How? Unless the peaceful muslims are willing to martyr themselves (like Christians martyrs who died for their faith), radical muslims will grow.
They could when they first start to do their deeds, but the ‘peaceful’ ones do nothing to stop them.

The goal of islam is to establish sharia law worldwide. To either kill, convert or subjugate us. While they are doing this the ‘peaceful’ ones tell us all sorts of deceptions about islam while their numbers build up.

it is called ‘stealth jihad’.

there are several books describing this:
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
Brigette Gabriel’s talk at the Thomas More Law Center
And if you do a search in jihadwatch.org using ‘stealth jihad’ there are several articles on it.

Let them know while they are in our country that our laws predominate and override their rude and crude sharia laws.
 
We cannot afford to do what others have done when the muslim hordes are at their gates. They have died, let (not by their own will) their women and children become slaves which means they are condemned to islam and so are their children, or subjugated.

We have to fight (and I am not talking with bullets) to make sure they don’t get their demands met. And their demands are:
  • segregation (under the disguise of modesty when in reality it is a separation of them thinking they are superior and we are nothing but pigs, dogs and urine - and their women are not much better)
  • praying/dressing like a muslim in our schools so our school children start getting brainwashed.
  • start making our children aware of what islamic jihad means - and not the ‘we don’t want to offend the muslims’ version of it which makes christians look bad and the muslims look like victims.
  • stop hating Jews, or anyone the muslims want us to hate because of their twisted viewpoint of their victims being the aggressors if they fight back
  • stop all forms of sharia laws. If you bank is allowing it - change banks. Let them know EXACTLY why you are changing banks. Sharia laws is like segregation - we are giving them a separate set of rules and laws because they think that they are superior and we are inferior
  • stop catering to businesses that segregate bathrooms - that is the same thing that blacks had and it is indeed a segregation attempt to make one group of people superior over another. If there is a foot bath - go and use it right along with the muslims. Make them know that if it is a public building that everyone has a right to use it.
Stop thinking we should just lay down and die, we don’t have to be like the UK and start accepting sharia laws which is the laws that mean that we have no rights. This goes entirely against our constitution. And they have the worst human rights abuses in those countries that have them. And if you want to condemn future generations to islam - well, then lay down and just give up.

I joined Act for America and we are making people aware of what is happening in our nation - and others. And we are using our laws - just like they want to use our laws against us we are using them to protect us.
They could when they first start to do their deeds, but the ‘peaceful’ ones do nothing to stop them.

The goal of islam is to establish sharia law worldwide. To either kill, convert or subjugate us. While they are doing this the ‘peaceful’ ones tell us all sorts of deceptions about islam while their numbers build up.

it is called ‘stealth jihad’.

there are several books describing this:
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
Brigette Gabriel’s talk at the Thomas More Law Center
And if you do a search in jihadwatch.org using ‘stealth jihad’ there are several articles on it.

Let them know while they are in our country that our laws predominate and override their rude and crude sharia laws.
I am not going to panic…
I believe we are supposed to have trust in all things and not have anxiety.

So - with that - I suppose as much as i dislike seeing how their populice will out number contracepting Christians - and they will infiltrate everywhere - I trust that in the end [expression] that God will watch over His followers.

He didn’t let Saul make short order of His Church then, and it won’t happen now.

But who stands firm to their faith, will be a test.

I know that Islam means peace only thru conversion.
Which essentially isn’t peace at all.
 
Planten,
I think that I was not clear. I was not asking about a specific case, though what you said about the fasting makes sense.

Here in the West, when we see information about violent acts or oppressive acts by Muslims, we are told that that is NOT Islam and MOST Muslims are opposed to such behavior. If this is true, why do the MOST Muslims not STOP these acts?

This is where we get confused. If you tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace and acceptance of others, then Muslims act in an opposite way and other Muslims do nothing to stop it, why should I accept that as true?

Why do these majority of Muslims who would allow for Christians and Jews to coexist peacefully not physically stop the smaller group that is making Islam seem like a religion of hate?
** Please note that those who are presenting Islam as a religon of hate are in great majority in every country. They are further aided and supported by the christians that Islam is indeed a religion of hate.

Those Muslims who are opposing those hateful or oppressive beliefs are not great in number. However they are progressing. They are firm in their belief that Islam is a religeon of peace. But Islam is firm against the mischief makers. The peaceful Muslims cannot wage a war against the Majority Muslims. Only preaching with gentleness and love can be done.

There is no harm in disbelieving as long as he/she lives peacefully. He/she can remain in his/her own faith and practice / worship in his / her own way in his / her own place of worship. Non Muslims should be allowed to even preach the faith peacefully. All facility may be provided to the non-Muslims to give peaceful lectures about their faith without any abuse of others faiths.

What else is required? But still there is a problem in these matters from both sides. The liberal Muslims are not supported by the so-called Majority Muslims and also not supported by any other faith.**
 
I am not going to panic…
I believe we are supposed to have trust in all things and not have anxiety.

So - with that - I suppose as much as i dislike seeing how their populice will out number contracepting Christians - and they will infiltrate everywhere - I trust that in the end [expression] that God will watch over His followers.

He didn’t let Saul make short order of His Church then, and it won’t happen now.

But who stands firm to their faith, will be a test.

I know that Islam means peace only thru conversion.
Which essentially isn’t peace at all.
Well, I don’t think anyone should panic but I don’t think that just letting things happen is the way to go either.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
When good men do nothing, they get nothing good done. To be good, one must do good. The Lord commands his people to do good (Luke 6:35; Eph. 2:10). Christ “gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works” (Titus 2:14).
We certainly didn’t see Jesus just sitting on His behind! He got out and did something and look what He accomplished!
In the parable of the talents, Jesus described a man who did nothing. When he received his Lord’s money, he “went and digged in the earth, and hid his Lord’s money” (Matt. 25:18). When his Lord returned, he returned to the Lord just what he had been given (Matt. 25:25). Notice, the servant did not do any outright evil, such as stealing the money, but then neither did he do anything good. He did nothing and he got nothing good accomplished. Jesus said he was a “wicked and slothful servant” (Matt. 25:26).
Jesus rebuked the church at Laodicea for doing nothing. “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked” (Rev. 3:15-17).
Too many Christians and too many churches do nothing. They are standing idly by, they are mere spectators. They sit on the sidelines instead of actively participating and working for the good. If good wins, they join in the celebration though they did nothing to produce the victory. If evil wins, they will complain long and loud though their own apathy helped produce the undesirable result.
I couldn’t say it any better than this article I have read and kept on my PC.

And I will have to add that doing something isn’t always easy - to stand up not only against something such as islam, but our own who think that doing something and telling the truth is bad. They don’t like the message and are too lazy to find out for themselves what is true and what is not.
 
Please note that those who are presenting Islam as a religon of hate are in great majority in every country. They are further aided and supported by the christians that Islam is indeed a religion of hate.
I am interested to see where this is going, how you will blame us for even your own religion’s teachings that inspire these people that both of you and I don’t like.

No one would like Islam to be a religion of peace more than me, but neither I nor any other Christian is responsible for what is in the Qur’an, or how any Muslim interprets that. So why we are being dragged into Islam’s internal struggles by you, I have no idea. Please help me understand, because I’d like to get out of this mess as soon as possible.
 
I am interested to see where this is going, how you will blame us for even your own religion’s teachings that inspire these people that both of you and I don’t like.

No one would like Islam to be a religion of peace more than me, but neither I nor any other Christian is responsible for what is in the Qur’an, or how any Muslim interprets that. So why we are being dragged into Islam’s internal struggles by you, I have no idea. Please help me understand, because I’d like to get out of this mess as soon as possible.
**Just like Robocop said “Stay out of trouble.”

Do not side with the muslim bigots. Just listen to them and listen to other moderates too. Then form your opinion. But do not believe all you hear. Use your eyes and mental capabilty to discern truth from falsehood.

If you will say that islam teaches hatred and killing then it will mean you are a supporter of the bigots**.
 
I don’t understand how you can extol the virtues of fairness and using your mind and then dash it all with that last line that says if I or someone else comes away from listening to all sides with an opinion that you do not find favorable, they are a bigot.

I think the most fair I can be to Islam is say that for some people it provides great peace and comfort with none of the negative side effects of the expansionist, intolerant ideology that I and so many others here decry, since not all Muslims actually view those parts of the faith as incumbent upon them (whether or not they’re right in the eyes of other Muslims is not an issue that concerns me). But to take the extra step and say that such expansionist and intolerant ideologies are not fostered by certain (currently particularly popular) readings of Islamic primary source texts would be foolishness on my part, not “fighting bigotry” or anything like that.

I would never sacrifice my community for the sake of not appearing bigoted to you. I would hope you would say the same to me about yours. So when it comes to what Islam does or does not teach, it would be hard for me to turn a blind eye to abuse of the Copts, Assyrians, Armenians and others who suffer for their refusal to say the Shahada when threatened or beaten, for their refusal to give up the cross when a gun is placed to their heads, etc. These things are happening now, by the actions of representatives of your religion. You want me to close my eyes and ears to them? Do you do the same when it is Muslims being murdered in places like India, Sri Lanka, etc.?

Real people’s lives are more important than putting a nice face on your religion. A public relations campaign does not rebuild the Abu Fana monastery, or bring back to life Fr. Rahho (may God rest his soul), or take the bullets out of the fallen body of Sister Lionella in Somalia (whose last words are reported to have been “I FORGIVE” - think about that for a minute, won’t you?), or do anything for the victims of violence perpetrated by Muslims. And you want us to forget it all, lest we seem “bigoted”?

Never. Never in a million years.

If we forget it, and you don’t accept it as reality in the first place, how exactly does that help either of us? The thugs who kill in the name of your religion are still allowed to keep doing that, and some innocent people have died for nothing. No one was converted to Islam, and no Muslims’ life was made any better. In the case of Sister Lionella, they are worse, because she worked in Africa for almost 40 years, and now she is not alive to help anyone. She worked in a children’s hospital in Somalia.

Where the hell is the justice in any of that? If that is the sort of behavior I would be accused of being “bigoted” against, then I would rather be a bigot than bury another person who was trying to make peace in this world, no matter what their religion is.

Where is your humanity, sir?
 
A muslims humanity is low in the hierarchy of obligations when it comes to Islam. To criticise Islam, question Islam, try and change Islam automatically mandates the death sentence (ie, human death sentence) because you are then an apostate.

Even if in their minds and conscience they know what we are saying is true, they will never say so publicly. Do not under-estimate the power Islam has over muslims. Mohammet was a psychopathic madman, but he was very clever and used the power of god and the afterlife to keep muslims in moronic slavery.
 
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