Islam as a system of life

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** Please note that those who are presenting Islam as a religon of hate are in great majority in every country. They are further aided and supported by the christians that Islam is indeed a religion of hate.**
I never get tired of Muslims blaming Christians and Jews for every wrong Muslims do. Since Islam still believes in animal sacrifice, why not use a scapegoat like Azazel? Oh wait, they still do that. I guess animal sacrifices are not enough then… 🤷
 
They could when they first start to do their deeds, but the ‘peaceful’ ones do nothing to stop them.
Yes the ‘peaceful ones’ are doing something. Its called al-Taqiyya. They are concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, **to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury—**and they do this with a straight face.

I hope and pray that when they actually start saying their opinion against the radical ones in later time, they will be doing a great service to the God they are trying to worship.
 
** Please note that those who are presenting Islam as a religon of hate are in great majority in every country. They are further aided and supported by the christians that Islam is indeed a religion of hate.

Those Muslims who are opposing those hateful or oppressive beliefs are not great in number. However they are progressing. They are firm in their belief that Islam is a religeon of peace. But Islam is firm against the mischief makers. The peaceful Muslims cannot wage a war against the Majority Muslims. Only preaching with gentleness and love can be done.

There is no harm in disbelieving as long as he/she lives peacefully. He/she can remain in his/her own faith and practice / worship in his / her own way in his / her own place of worship. Non Muslims should be allowed to even preach the faith peacefully. All facility may be provided to the non-Muslims to give peaceful lectures about their faith without any abuse of others faiths.

What else is required? But still there is a problem in these matters from both sides. The liberal Muslims are not supported by the so-called Majority Muslims and also not supported by any other faith.**
Wait, this is a major turn of events.

According to a majority of people in the media and on-line, most Muslims DO NOT want these acts. Are you telling me that, in fact, they do?
 
Well, it seems that if the muslims have their way - we won’t know the koran either. I posted this in another thread, but will post it here too. We need to be aware that taqiyya and kithman are alive and well, and they intend to dupe us some more.

I started a new thread:

New koran for non-muslims
 
No bad feelings, Perhaps you are uninformed about the Quran and Hadith. The Quran and Hadith have much more than “Love thy neighbor”. If you have time then try to check up the relevant verses about neighbors in the Quran.

About Hadith, The messenger of God (Muhammad) said that he was so much stressed by God for good relations with the neighbor that he felt that the next verses to be revealed would be the order to make the neighbor as having rights (share) in the inheritance. (or in the wealth.)

I am sorry, I could not present the above with good English. I hope you understand it.
Brother, you are far too intelligent to ignore the fact that “love thy neighbour” is not the central teaching of Islam or the prophet. The muslim “neighbour” is restricted to another muslim. the rest are infidels whom your prophet instructed Muslims to convert or kill or make them pay the dhimmi tax. In Christianity, we are exhorted to be the neighbours to everyone, Christian, Samaritan, Jew, Muslim. In practice, your Muslim brethren around the world have

The enxt time you read the quran you need to start out from a blank slate. do not assume that what Muhammad wrote or recite was from God. If you do, and Muslims cannot seem to get past this this, that will pre-dispose you to accepting that every evil or illogicality or fallacy is from God. Start out with the concept of the nature of a god who deserves worship. what woud he be like to you?. what would be an ideal god. we are made in his image so if we expostulate all our virtues in our we treat our own children and mulitply them by infinity, that might come close to what god is like. A large human family with an all powerful all knowing and all loving father.

Then compare what Muhammad tells you to do in the jihadic verses and compare the injunctions of the sharia with the concept of god. kill your brother because he does not believe the same as you? maim your sister for theft? stone your sibling because they erred and committed adultery? Accumulate power and wealth by the sword? Seek aggrandizement on this earth? give in to lust? seek prileges over that of others? Where is forgiveness in Muhammad’s model? Where is temperance, ascetism, self denial. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples in an act of humility, love and service. Muhammad claimed he was given permission to marry more wives than his followers. Who would be the greater in a good God’s eyes?

It always seems to be the case that many muslims, the ones who i work with and share great friendships with, are actually christians in practice, muslim in form. Many have not actually read, or understood, the quran in Arabic. Their own god-like virtues leads them to assume that the quaran must be consistent with what they themselves attribute to a just and loving god,

Those that finally decide to read and understand the quran then are vexed witht the problem of either leaving Islam or go about trying to defend it with tenuous arguments. But since Reason does not permit dual citizenship, and apostasy is punishable by death, many end up in a spiritual vacuum.

Pick up a full copy of the new testament my friend. read it and your heart and MInd will tell you that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, Emmanuel, Mighty God. I pray for your journey.
 
Brother, you are far too intelligent to ignore the fact that “love thy neighbour” is not the central teaching of Islam or the prophet. The muslim “neighbour” is restricted to another muslim. the rest are infidels whom your prophet instructed Muslims to convert or kill or make them pay the dhimmi tax. In Christianity, we are exhorted to be the neighbours to everyone, Christian, Samaritan, Jew, Muslim. In practice, your Muslim brethren around the world have

The enxt time you read the quran you need to start out from a blank slate. do not assume that what Muhammad wrote or recite was from God. If you do, and Muslims cannot seem to get past this this, that will pre-dispose you to accepting that every evil or illogicality or fallacy is from God. Start out with the concept of the nature of a god who deserves worship. what woud he be like to you?. what would be an ideal god. we are made in his image so if we expostulate all our virtues in our we treat our own children and mulitply them by infinity, that might come close to what god is like. A large human family with an all powerful all knowing and all loving father.

Then compare what Muhammad tells you to do in the jihadic verses and compare the injunctions of the sharia with the concept of god. kill your brother because he does not believe the same as you? maim your sister for theft? stone your sibling because they erred and committed adultery? Accumulate power and wealth by the sword? Seek aggrandizement on this earth? give in to lust? seek prileges over that of others? Where is forgiveness in Muhammad’s model? Where is temperance, ascetism, self denial. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples in an act of humility, love and service. Muhammad claimed he was given permission to marry more wives than his followers. Who would be the greater in a good God’s eyes?

It always seems to be the case that many muslims, the ones who i work with and share great friendships with, are actually christians in practice, muslim in form. Many have not actually read, or understood, the quran in Arabic. Their own god-like virtues leads them to assume that the quaran must be consistent with what they themselves attribute to a just and loving god,

Those that finally decide to read and understand the quran then are vexed witht the problem of either leaving Islam or go about trying to defend it with tenuous arguments. But since Reason does not permit dual citizenship, and apostasy is punishable by death, many end up in a spiritual vacuum.

Pick up a full copy of the new testament my friend. read it and your heart and MInd will tell you that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, Emmanuel, Mighty God. I pray for your journey.
I am sorry. I could not read all your post because I found you uninformed (in the very beginning). The nieghbor in Islam is not a Muslim neighbor. It is the nieghbor of any faith, Jew, Hindu or christian. They are all to be helped, to be protected, to be fed, to be loved.

Our prophet did not mean that neighbor is only a Muslim neighbor. So I reject your description of the word “Neighbor”. Please do not mind.
 
I am sorry. I could not read all your post because I found you uninformed (in the very beginning). The nieghbor in Islam is not a Muslim neighbor. It is the nieghbor of any faith, Jew, Hindu or christian. They are all to be helped, to be protected, to be fed, to be loved.

Our prophet did not mean that neighbor is only a Muslim neighbor. So I reject your description of the word “Neighbor”. Please do not mind.
really? so why use the sword to spread Islam? why did islam not let its neighbours live in peace, protection and love? beginning from your prophet himself it was one bloody conquest for conversion to another. Surely you cannot deny that. Your prophet did not mean what you said he meant. Like i said, being a good person, you are projecting your god given christian virtues into what you hope would be Muslim ones. The difficulty is that the quran and the actions of your prophet does not agree with you. isn’t it time you just accept that you are more christian in substance and thinking than you are muslim. so go and read the new testament and have life in abundance in a religion where reason and faith are consistent and harmonious.

Praying for you always
Now start again with the bible.
 
I am sorry. I could not read all your post because I found you uninformed (in the very beginning). The nieghbor in Islam is not a Muslim neighbor. It is the nieghbor of any faith, Jew, Hindu or christian. They are all to be helped, to be protected, to be fed, to be loved.

Our prophet did not mean that neighbor is only a Muslim neighbor. So I reject your description of the word “Neighbor”. Please do not mind.
It is hard to believe you when muslim neighborhoods are so dangerous for non-muslims to enter.

And your worldview of muslims is like sister amy’s - not believable considering the evidence does not back you up. Neither does the texts of islam.

I think you should take the advice and reread, or read them for the first time, your own texts.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
… “love thy neighbour” is not the central teaching of Islam or the prophet. .
Surah 4. Women

Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious… ( 4:36)

Hadith Of The Day

He is not one of us * who does not show compassion to the young and respect to the old.*
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Surah 4. Women

Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious… ( 4:36)

Hadith Of The Day

He is not one of us * who does not show compassion to the young and respect to the old.*

You are not even allowed to leave Islam without deadly consiquences, how can you claim Muslima teach love for neighbor?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
You are not even allowed to leave Islam without deadly consiquences, how can you claim Muslima teach love for neighbor?
I can post here where Christians tried to kill new Muslims ( ex Christians ). In one such story , when a Missionary & Nun became Muslims & got married , had kid , some Christians throw bombs on their res & the baby was killed.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

I can post here where Christians tried to kill new Muslims ( ex Christians ). In one such story , when a Missionary & Nun became Muslims & got married , had kid , some Christians throw bombs on their res & the baby was killed.
But where is the Christian doctrine that says this was acceptable?
 
I can post here where Christians tried to kill new Muslims ( ex Christians ). In one such story , when a Missionary & Nun became Muslims & got married , had kid , some Christians throw bombs on their res & the baby was killed.
For every such story you conjure, i can give you a hundred stories of forced conversions, murder and extortion of Christians by Muslim hands.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

I can post here where Christians tried to kill new Muslims ( ex Christians ). In one such story , when a Missionary & Nun became Muslims & got married , had kid , some Christians throw bombs on their res & the baby was killed.
show us the weblink.

I don’t doubt that bad people exist in Christianity. That is why we have prisons. But, what you are not getting is that in islam it is done all the time and it is not unusual while in Christianity it is unusual for that type of behavior.

But, you won’t get it.:hypno:

How can you follow a guy who lied? How do you know he didn’t lie to his followers just so he could get whatever he wanted?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
… i can give you a hundred stories of forced conversions, murder and extortion of Christians by Muslim hands.
I can give u thousands stories of forced conversions & murders of Jews & Muslims by Christians hands
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

I can give u thousands stories of forced conversions & murders of Jews & Muslims by Christians hands
Are any of them within the last 10 years?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Surah 4. Women

Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious… ( 4:36)

Hadith Of The Day

He is not one of us * who does not show compassion to the young and respect to the old.*

It is a great sura, so very Christian,when read alone. But read it in the context of all the other suras where the infidel is to be killed and war is to be made against your “neighbour” until the whole world submits and you know that the “neighbour” in the sura is confined to fellow Muslims.

If you like the sura you just quoted, you are truly on the path to Christianity and we love and welcome you.

Peace of Christ be with you and may you continue your search until you come to him.
 
oh really? How do you explain this verse then?

O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."Sura 5:51.
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Surah 4. Women

Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious… ( 4:36)

Hadith Of The Day

He is not one of us * who does not show compassion to the young and respect to the old.*
 
oh really? How do you explain this verse then?

O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."Sura 5:51.
Aydan, please see a better translation. The correct one. Wali is not a friend. He may be a guardian or protector. Wali is a not really a friend unless it may be an implied meaning. The real meaning is guardian. Please see. Also see it in the context of those days when the Jews were bent on enmity and the nearby christian states were ever ready to attack Madinah.

The Arabic word for a friend is “Khaleel”.

O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians as your guardians (supporters). They are guardians (supporters) of each other. And he amongst you that seeks them for guardianship (and support) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."Sura 5:51.]
 
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States – Muslim 0.6%
Austral ia – Muslim 1.5%
Canada – Muslim 1.9%
China – Muslim 1.8%
Italy – Muslim 1.5%
Norway – Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark – Muslim 2%
Germany – Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom – Muslim 2.7%
Spain – Muslim 4%
Thailand – Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves – along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France – Muslim 8%
Philippines – Muslim 5%
Sweden – Muslim 5%
Switzerland – Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands – Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago – Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana – Muslim 10%
India – Muslim 13.4%
Israel – Muslim 16%
Kenya – Muslim 10%
Russia – Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia – Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia – Muslim 40%
Chad – Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon – Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania – Muslim 70%
Malaysia – Muslim 60.4%
Qatar – Muslim 77.5%
Sudan – Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh – Muslim 83%
Egypt – Muslim 90%
Gaza – Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia – Muslim 86.1%
Iran – Muslim 98%
Iraq – Muslim 97%
Jordan – Muslim 92%
Morocco – Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan – Muslim 97%
Palestine – Muslim 99%
Syria – Muslim 90%
Tajikistan – Muslim 90%
Turkey – Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates – Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ – the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan – Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia – Muslim 100%
Somalia – Muslim 100%
Yemen – Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.
– Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
Personally I cannot go near, even with permission to go as a mature person, other faiths in the public sphere because of gender issues.
 
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