Islam & Christianity, which religion is more logical?

[SteveVH]

Hi Edwin,

I think during those days when Muhammad was in Arabia, the prevalence of thoughts like this:

…caused God to reveal the verses in the Quran denying Jesus was born from such things. Islam categorically acknowledges the Virgin Birth still, but sperm and literal sonship are denied

No sperm involved. Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, here was no sexual activity involved. It was a supernatural event. God became man. But the Son was the Son before he was born. It is part of his divine nature as the second Person of the Trinity. His literal sonship is fundamental to Christian theology.

 

[Contarini]

the blessed mother was impregnated by the holy spirit. The sperm came from a supernatural source. Tweedlealice

You are not, I hope, suggesting that God has sperm? If you’re simply saying that God somehow created sperm ex nihilo, then I suppose that’s possible, though I think it’s weird and unlikely.

But if you are saying that God impregnated the BVM with his divine sperm, which is what servant thinks you are saying, then you are, I’m afraid, espousing heresy.

Edwin

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

Islam does not believe that God has sperm to impregnate a woman.

If anyone said anything that sarcastic about islam believe me there would be blood in the streets. Oh wait that already happened.

 

[Servant19]

No sperm involved. Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, here was no sexual activity involved. It was a supernatural event.

Which is what a Muslim would testify to.

As I asserted earlier, that testament proves that the Holy Spirit is alive in loving and true Islamic practice.

God became man. But the Son was the Son before he was born. It is part of his divine nature as the second Person of the Trinity. His literal sonship is fundamental to Christian theology.

If by literal sonship, you mean that the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, then Islam would agree. Islam simply states that other Prophets were also chosen before they were born, Muhammad included.

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[Servant19]

You are not, I hope, suggesting that God has sperm? If you’re simply saying that God somehow created sperm ex nihilo, then I suppose that’s possible, though I think it’s weird and unlikely.

But if you are saying that God impregnated the BVM with his divine sperm, which is what servant thinks you are saying, then you are, I’m afraid, espousing heresy.

Edwin

Dear Edwin, I hope you can possibly see that such heresies may have been quite prevalent in 7th Century Arabia, and Muhammad simply addressed these things. I know some Christians today who believe such things.



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[SteveVH]

Which is what a Muslim would testify to.

As I asserted earlier, that testament proves that the Holy Spirit is alive in loving and true Islamic practice.

It does? How so?

If by literal sonship, you mean that the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, then Islam would agree. Islam simply states that other Prophets were also chosen before they were born, Muhammad included…

By literal Sonship, I mean that the Son has been the Son from eternity; that there has never been a time when he was not the Son. Jesus is very literally the Son of God; the only begotten Son of God. There is only one, not many. Muhammad was a human being, period. He was not divine and therefore does not come close in stature to Jesus Christ who created him.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Islam is not logical if it limits the power of God.

Only God has the power to send His Word to become flesh to save our humanity from eternal damnation.

If any religion pretends to limit God to human logic and understanding, God has not revealed himself to that religion.

 

[Matthew_Light]

If any religion pretends to limit God to human logic and understanding, God has not revealed himself to that religion.

Hmmm.

Does that mean 4 = 3, or that God can make a stone so heavy He can’t lift it?

I don’t think logic and reason limit God. I think they help reveal God. As far as I know, the Catholic Church concurs with me about this.

 

[SteveVH]

Hmmm.

Does that mean 4 = 3, or that God can make a stone so heavy He can’t lift it?

I don’t think logic and reason limit God. I think they help reveal God. As far as I know, the Catholic Church concurs with me about this.

I think it is more accurate to say that in any religion which limits God to human understanding, God has not revealed himself to that religion.

Yes, we not only can and should but must use reason and logic in coming to an understanding of God. And that understanding should inform us of how far we fall short in grasping the infinite with our finite minds.

Peace.

Steve

 

[Matthew_Light]

I think it is more accurate to say that in any religion which limits God to human understanding, God has not revealed himself to that religion.

I certainly agree that human understanding is incapable of comprehending the Reality of God!

Yes, we not only can and should but must use reason and logic in coming to an understanding of God. And that understanding should inform us of how far we fall short in grasping the infinite with our finite minds.

Very true.

 

[SteveVH]

I certainly agree that human understanding is incapable of comprehending the Reality of God!

Very true.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Hmmm.

Does that mean 4 = 3, or that God can make a stone so heavy He can’t lift it?

I don’t think logic and reason limit God. I think they help reveal God. As far as I know, the Catholic Church concurs with me about this.

I said, “human logic and understanding” which pertains to carnal knowledge. Faith and reason reach into the spiritual realities and supersedes carnal understanding of the physical properties which limits itself to human logic.

God’s ways and are not our ways is a biblical understanding and reason of God which can sum up my point.

 

[ptisme]

Then I have to say that I misunderstood this point. So it is ok to make images and statues of god because they remind you of god but of course you do not worship them. I believe it is a misinterpretation of the verse, and I doubt that god would allow making images and statues of him!

Ok let me ask you this, you believe that Jesus has died for our sins for three days, does this make god the father die automatically as they are one?
Now I can see that there are three possibilities here:
1- There was no god running the show for three days because god died!
2- god the son died but the father was alive, so we have two gods!
3- god did not die, so this is a lie!

For people who have a difficult time grasping the trinity this sometimes helps as an analogy: 1 X 1 X 1 equals 1. Three but one… Hope that didn’t cause more confusion but that is sometimes a way to look at the concept that we can grasp.

 

[ptisme]

In the exact same book immediately after, Jesus says:
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God! "

29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. "

No. You lied.

The word used is “Three” and says nothing of the Holy Spirit but instead mentions Mary. Your Qur’an goofed.

Catholics and Evangelicals in lock step side by side Love it!

 

[ptisme]

No joke,I didn’t say I know personally the location of Hell I said by reading various private revelations I get the impression that the abyss/netherworld is located under the Earth.

I personally believe this to be the case as well…

 

[SteveVH]

I personally believe this to be the case as well…

Really? You believe hell to be a physical place rather than a spiritual state of being… a complete separation from God, a deprivation of the beatific vision?

 

[ptisme]

Really? You believe hell to be a physical place rather than a spiritual state of being… a complete separation from God, a deprivation of the beatific vision?

I believe all those things you said. But my personal belief is it’s location is deep down and far away from God. And I believe heaven is a spiritual place we have no access to while we are alive and I believe it is in the sky

 

[Elena321]

Well, let me direct my comments on Islam to a book written by the son of the man who started Hamass. He is still in an Israeli prison (the Dad). Israeli prisons aren’t nice and we should pray for improvement. The book is: SON OF HAMASS. He says it all. The summation which converted him to Christianity was: he was invited to a Christian prayer group and he went. He heard," LOVE YOUR ENEMY" Which is NOT IN THE KORAN. He left w his head. His hate for Christians melted and his love for Jesus grew and he converted. Of course, there is a hit out on him in the Muslim world and he is in hiding. He can be reached by his publisher I think who filters the inquiries. He has been on TV. Praise God for one child coming home.

As you can see a Christian will invite, read scriptures, give a Bible, a phone number, an invitation, a hug and let you decide and you leave alive.
In the Bible, Jesus was tired and was sitting down. He was w His apostles. Some little children were coming over to Him. His apostles were going to stop them. Jesus said,"Do not keep the little children from coming to me."I have my Bible here and my $6,000.00 eyes but the print is too small. There may have been a “Woe unto you who keep the little children from coming nigh unto me.” May the Holy Spirit guide us w wisdom through this message in love and truth…

In Christs’ love,
tweedlealice

PRAY FOR THE CHRISTIANS IN SYRIA

This is a bit unfair.
The vast majority of Muslims arn’t going around killing people if they don’t want to be Muslim.
Only Muslim extremists do.
There are tolerant Muslims.There are tolerant Christians.
There are Muslim extremists and there are Christian extremists.
Certainly Muslim extremists can be more physically dangerous/extreme then Christian extremists but Christian extremists can be psychologically harmful to others.
Ignorance breeds fear and division.

 

[SteveVH]

I believe all those things you said. But my personal belief is it’s location is deep down and far away from God. And I believe heaven is a spiritual place we have no access to while we are alive and I believe it is in the sky

So you believe that heaven and hell are physical places, located in the sky and under the earth, respectively? I am curious, as a Catholic, where you were taught something like this?

 

[Techno2000]

Really? You believe hell to be a physical place rather than a spiritual state of being… a complete separation from God, a deprivation of the beatific vision?

Why can’t it be both,a physical place, and a deprivation of the beatific vision?