Islam: Fastest Growing Religion?

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7_Sorrows said:
I believe statistics have shown that in the american prison system Islam has grown rapidly.

Also it is pretty easy to convert to Islam. I believe you only have to recite a prayer. In catholicism and judsism and some denominations of christianity there are rights of passage - baptism, confirmation, bar mitzvah and bat mitzvah.
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That is true, but! In Islam to leave constitutes a real mortal death threat by the same Muslims

In Christianity to leave and reject Christ constitutes an eternal death in hell.

Islam requires a profession of faith, while Christianity requires a water baptism with a profession of faith.

I had a conversation with Correctional Officer in the prison system, and he was taken back by how a Muslim prisoner knew so much about the bible and Christianity that placed a severe doubt of his Christian faith of Jesus and the Church.

When I asked the C.O about the Muslim’s great knowledge of the bible, he responded that the Muslim proved that the bible is corrupt and God is not a trinity of persons consisting of Jesus, Mary and God.

Christians who do not practice or do not learn their faith in Jesus who saves, are easily succumbed to every wind and doctrine invented by men.
 
LebaneseKitty said:
I’m not sure if this topic has been brought up before, but its one I think should be discussed. Why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world? It’s a religion that is known for its unfairness to women, it’s rejection of western society and principles, forcing Christians/Jews in the Middle East and Asia to convert, terrorist attacks, having multiple wives and having sex with very young girls. I get that not all Muslims are like this, but I just don’t get the appeal of Islam. While Christianity has able to evolve and find a place in modern, western society, Islam never has. Also, there is more proof for Christianity. Thousands saw Jesus’ miracles, both Mary and Joseph saw the Angel Gabriel, the Wise Men saw the Star and many, many Christians have seen miracles throughout the ages, while no one, but Muhammad, saw the Angel in the cave where he wrote the Qu’ran.
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I’m not trying to be a bear here, but I’m concerned about statement on Muhammad. I don’t disagree with your comment on his seeing an angel in the cave; however, the same logic could be applied to Mary. No one saw Gabriel appear to her at the Annunciation, but rather it is taken on faith. So if we open that important event of our faith wouldn’t it open that up to the same criticism?
 
To Gabriel of 12-the Holy Trinity is God, the Son and the Holy Trinity.
Mary is not part of the trinity.

I knew someone who was raised Christian, converted to Islam and later she converted to Judaism.

In America we have religious freedom.

In the Middle East it is hard for muslims to leave Islam.

Islam does not understand the trinity.
Christians also believe in one God.
 
WAC said:
I’m not trying to be a bear here, but I’m concerned about statement on Muhammad. I don’t disagree with your comment on his seeing an angel in the cave; however, the same logic could be applied to Mary. No one saw Gabriel appear to her at the Annunciation, but rather it is taken on faith. So if we open that important event of our faith wouldn’t it open that up to the same criticism?
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In both cases both visitations must be subjected to criticism and scrutiny.

The Visitation of Mary and Gabriel survives any and all scrutiny and criticism which is supported by both Old testament prophets and New testament witnesses living at the time, which record St. Joseph as a living witness to the mystery of the Visitation. Not to mention Muslims do not object to Mary’s visitation.

Although Muhammad’s visitation does not survive the scrutiny and criticism of history, to include Muhammad’s visitation is never foretold of by any prophets of God, and no divine signs and miracles followed Muhammad’s visitation from heaven, as did the visitation of Mary and Gabriel such as the, St.'s Elizabeth, John the Baptist and Joseph by Gabriel and the Holy Spirit.
 
7 Sorrows;12293424]To Gabriel of 12-the Holy Trinity is God, the Son and the Holy Trinity.
Mary is not part of the trinity.
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Yes, I agree with you, but the Muslim prisoner is convincing non practicing Christians a different gospel, and unanswered refutations from
Islam does not understand the trinity.
Christians also believe in one God.
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Amen, so how are supposed learned Muslims refuting Christianity with a heretical view of the blessed Trinity and convincing others of it?
 
I’m not sure I believe the claim. I have yet to meet a muslim in America who wasn’t already a muslim when he immigrated here or was born in a muslim family. I’ve met a few former muslims in my day who became Christians while living here in the USA. I’m aware that a significant muslim population exists in the prison system, but I don’t think it’s very common outside. A few converts I’ve heard of (but not met) due to marrying a muslim and wanting to make the muslim family happy (hardly an impressive religious conversion testimony, eh?).

I’m not seeing this wave of growth around here anyways. Go find a local mosque and watch who comes out. Betcha 99% are middle easterners or Indonesians.
 
Google celebrities who are muslims. I was surprised to see ellen burstyn on the list.
 
WAC said:
I’m not trying to be a bear here, but I’m concerned about statement on Muhammad. I don’t disagree with your comment on his seeing an angel in the cave; however, the same logic could be applied to Mary. No one saw Gabriel appear to her at the Annunciation, but rather it is taken on faith. So if we open that important event of our faith wouldn’t it open that up to the same criticism?
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because we have no reason to doubt Mary’s story. Mohammed has every reason to be less than truthful.

In fact, Mary’s visitation was surrounded with other glorious events and was fortold. Mohammed’s story is a stand-alone story, similar to Joseph Smith, which seems more likely to have been either a lie or a visit from a creature less angelic that the viewer believed.

In any case, nothing stands up to Mary’s visitation. Don’t forget that Mary didnt set herself apart; there are no self-serving “gospels” putting Mary on a level above (Jesus did that for her Himself from the Cross.)
 
Zachary said:
because we have no reason to doubt Mary’s story. Mohammed has every reason to be less than truthful.

In fact, Mary’s visitation was surrounded with other glorious events and was fortold. Mohammed’s story is a stand-alone story, similar to Joseph Smith, which seems more likely to have been either a lie or a visit from a creature less angelic that the viewer believed.

In any case, nothing stands up to Mary’s visitation. Don’t forget that Mary didnt set herself apart; there are no self-serving “gospels” putting Mary on a level above (Jesus did that for her Himself from the Cross.)
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Please define what you mean by Jesus placing “Mary on a level above.” Do you mean that Jesus is placing Mary on a divine level? If so, that is not the case. Mary is merely the greatest of intercessors that we can have; not an object of worship. While I understand Catholics praying the Rosary as a way of growing in the Faith and meditating over the mysteries of Christ’s life, I for one cannot in good conscience pray the Rosary. I wish the best to all of you who pray the Rosary; I will stick to Scripture, the readings of the Church Fathers, and the Catechism. In addition, there is no definitive witness to the Annunciation except for Gabriel. We take the appearance of Gabriel to Mary on faith; just as other religions accept their beliefs on faith. It is a dual nature of beliefs.
On a historical note about the misconception of Mary’s position. While Jesus did give Mary to us as a spiritual mother, even the followers of Islam hold Mary in a high regard. The worry that I have is that the common Catholic, who does not comprehend theology and Scripture, will mistake our respect of Mary for false worship.
 
WAC said:
Please define what you mean by Jesus placing “Mary on a level above.” Do you mean that Jesus is placing Mary on a divine level? If so, that is not the case. Mary is merely the greatest of intercessors that we can have; not an object of worship. While I understand Catholics praying the Rosary as a way of growing in the Faith and meditating over the mysteries of Christ’s life, I for one cannot in good conscience pray the Rosary. I wish the best to all of you who pray the Rosary; I will stick to Scripture, the readings of the Church Fathers, and the Catechism. In addition, there is no definitive witness to the Annunciation except for Gabriel. We take the appearance of Gabriel to Mary on faith; just as other religions accept their beliefs on faith. It is a dual nature of beliefs.
On a historical note about the misconception of Mary’s position. While Jesus did give Mary to us as a spiritual mother, even the followers of Islam hold Mary in a high regard. The worry that I have is that the common Catholic, who does not comprehend theology and Scripture, will mistake our respect of Mary for false worship.
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Creating her sinless, allowing/choosing her to carry Him and be His mother and assuming her into heaven…all “a level above” wouldn’t you say?

But that’s not really what I meant, though I see how it rolls out in that context. Sorry for that. What I meant was that Mary didn’t claim to have these grand gestures then use then to become a grand prophet. God set these plans for her and allowed her to be His Blessed Mother. She never saught this for herself and never took advantage of other or tried to set herself apart. But, yes, she is only His Blessed Mother because He allowed it to be so.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
In both cases both visitations must be subjected to criticism and scrutiny.

The Visitation of Mary and Gabriel survives any and all scrutiny and criticism which is supported by both Old testament prophets and New testament witnesses living at the time, which record St. Joseph as a living witness to the mystery of the Visitation. Not to mention Muslims do not object to Mary’s visitation.

Although Muhammad’s visitation does not survive the scrutiny and criticism of history, to include Muhammad’s visitation is never foretold of by any prophets of God, and no divine signs and miracles followed Muhammad’s visitation from heaven, as did the visitation of Mary and Gabriel such as the, St.'s Elizabeth, John the Baptist and Joseph by Gabriel and the Holy Spirit.
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You wrote, “which record St. Joseph as a living witness to the mystery of the Visitation”

Are you saying or implying that Joseph was there when the Angel came to Mary?
 
7_Sorrows said:
To Gabriel of 12-the Holy Trinity is God, the Son and the Holy Trinity.
Mary is not part of the trinity.

I knew someone who was raised Christian, converted to Islam and later she converted to Judaism.

In America we have religious freedom.

In the Middle East it is hard for muslims to leave Islam.

Islam does not understand the trinity.
Christians also believe in one God.
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You wrote, “Islam does not understand the trinity.”.

I would say that NO ONE understands the Trinity but the trinity, supposedly, mentioned in islam is NOT the Trinity mentioned in Christianity.

So the “trinity” that islam doesn’t believe in is also the “trinity” that Christianity also does not believe in.

The Trinity that some who call themselves Christian believe in is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
 
Tom_Baum said:
You wrote, “which record St. Joseph as a living witness to the mystery of the Visitation”

Are you saying or implying that Joseph was there when the Angel came to Mary?
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No, I’m reflecting from Matthew’s gospel, which reveals an Angel of the Lord gives an Angelic account revealed to St. Joseph what had already occurred from the Annunciation.

Matt. 1:20…“do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins”. The message from the angel to St. Joseph is almost verbatim the message Gabriel gives to our blessed Mother Mary Holy Virgin. Matthew continues to give the same message from Gabriel preannounced from the prophet in verse 23 “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be Emmanuel”.

Yes, St. Joseph was a living witness to the mystery of the Annunciation revealed to him by an Angel of the Lord, The mystery of the Visitation was witnessed by Elizabeth, the unborn John the Baptist and the Holy Spirit.

Muhammad’s visitation is never foretold and never has any support from heaven to confirm Muhammad’s visitation from signs and miracles such as the Annunciation of Gabriel in Mary’s presence.

In summary **there are three witnesses present at the mystery of the Annunciation. 1. Gabriel = the strength God, 2. The Holy Spirit who over shadowed the Virgin Mary 3. The Word incarnate whom Mary conceived in her womb, **when she confirms with her fiat; “behold I am the handmaid of the Lord”, “Let it be to me, according to your word” and the angel left her.

Peace be with you
 
Islam is a religion of hate. Hatred for all non-muslims. Sorry to offend any bleeding heart liberals on this site, but you need to wake up and realize the Muslims want you dead. They are worse than animals. There is no love in Islam only hate.
 
The problem with many people on this site is that they know next to nothing about Islam and post comments as if they do.

Just as there are different denominations of Christianity which hold different beliefs, attitudes and practices, so it is with Islam. And if one thinks that they are cleanly divisible between Sunnis and Shiites, then such a person exhibits his or her ignorance all the more.

There are many, many Muslims who decry the atrocious acts of the Islamic State, for instance, but by the posts you see on these threads, you’d never know it. For many, Muslims are all foaming-at-the-mouth maniacs.

Cherry picking the Qur’an for passages that purportedly show how awful their religion is hardly makes one an expert either.
 
TheAdvocate said:
Just as there are different denominations of Christianity which hold different beliefs, attitudes and practices, so it is with Islam
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What has this have to do with Islam being the fasted growing religion? Thks.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
What has this have to do with Islam being the fasted growing religion? Thks.

MJ
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I was responding to earlier posters who seem amazed that Islam is so successful given that the religion seems so violent and oppressive to many.
 
TheAdvocate said:
I was responding to earlier posters who seem amazed that Islam is so successful given that the religion seems so violent and oppressive to many.
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One of the reasons that Islam is so successful is because of this: most people prefer being followers to being a leader. Besides, not everyone can be a leader. Islam is also willing what most are not willing to do; they are offering a strict religion/state values and forcing people to convert. Christians are not willing to do this so they aren’t meeting with much “success.” It also depends on what you want to define as success: success can be positive or negative dependent upon the circumstances.
 
WAC said:
One of the reasons that Islam is so successful is because of this: most people prefer being followers to being a leader. Besides, not everyone can be a leader. Islam is also willing what most are not willing to do; they are offering a strict religion/state values and forcing people to convert. Christians are not willing to do this so they aren’t meeting with much “success.” It also depends on what you want to define as success: success can be positive or negative dependent upon the circumstances.
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Forced conversions are only conducted by a tiny minority; such forced converts constitute a minuscule portion of those who are daily added to their number.
 
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