Islam Has No Concept of Humility

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True, Islam does preach humility and Muslims practice personal humility to a limited extent. But this should not be confused with Christain humility.

Beside the personal humility that Muslims show to their peers, which is commendable, it is perhaps the Islamic attitude of segregationist that put off some Christians. If you are non-Muslim there is no way that you can achieve equal treatment by Muslims as compared if you are a Muslim. It can be in term of relationship, friendship or in government matters.

Looking at it from this perspective, it is quite right to say that Islam does not teach genuine humility.
 
But we are discussing the teaching and concept of humility.
Muslims are taught that they are the best of creation, and the unbelievers the worst. If someone has this concept drilled into him, can he honestly be humble??

If you can find anywhere where Jesus told Christians the same, show us!

One Muslim member of this forum told us once that Muslims pray more in one day than Christians do in one year! Would you call that a humble statement??

Is it humility that makes Muslims react with violence at anything they perceive an insult, or that they consider unbelievers to be unclean??

Vickie
 
Muslims are taught that they are the best of creation, and the unbelievers the worst. If someone has this concept drilled into him, can he honestly be humble??

If you can find anywhere where Jesus told Christians the same, show us!

One Muslim member of this forum told us once that Muslims pray more in one day than Christians do in one year! Would you call that a humble statement??

Is it humility that makes Muslims react with violence at anything they perceive an insult, or that they consider unbelievers to be unclean??

Vickie
Didn’t Jesus say bring my enemies here and I will slay them?
 
The truth is, Islam teaches that non-Muslims are not to be treated the same as Muslims. And it follows that if one is a Muslim, what teaching then one follows?
 
Didn’t Jesus say bring my enemies here and I will slay them?
Valke, those are the words of the rejected king in the parable of the ten gold coins! Luke 19:27

The notes at the bottom state that the story of the rejected king may have originated with a contemporary historical event. After the death of Herod the Great, his son Archelaus traveled to Rome to receive the title of king. A delegation of Jews appeared in Rome before Caesar Augustus to oppose the request of Archelaus. Although not given the title of king, Archelaus was made ruler ovr Judea and Samaria. As the story is used by Luke, however, it furnishes a correction to the expectation of the imminent end of the age and of the establishment of the kingdom in Jerusalem. Jesus is not on his way to Jerusalem to receive the kingly power; for that, he must go away and only after returning from the distant country (a reference to the parousia) will reward and judgment take place.

Vickie
 
From the words of Spengler’s new essay, **Israel, the hope of the Muslim world, there is **no injunction to “turn the other cheek” is found in the Koran, no reflection on how to learn from defeat. Something like the Book of Lamentations, which tradition attributes to the Prophet Jeremiah after the fall of Jerusalem, is unimaginable in Islam. Jeremiah tells defeated Israel, “It is good to wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord. It is good for a man to bear the yoke while he is young … Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him, and let him be filled with disgrace.”

Islam has no inherent concept of humility; it can only be imported to Muslim countries from the outside. … The humility that goes hand in hand with doubt - conceding that one’s opponent might have a valid point - is what makes democracy possible in the first place.

**the words **“humble” and “humility” occur rarely in the Koran, and in most cases (7:206 and 17:109) refer not to Muslims but rather to Jews or other conquered peoples, as in “And [the children of Israel] fall down on their faces weeping, and it adds to their humility”, or “We sent [apostles] to nations before you then We seized them with distress and affliction in order that they might humble themselves.” There are a few references to the virtue of being humble before Allah, but not one suggestion that it is good to show humility to other human beings. Nothing like Hannah’s praise of YHWH, (I Samuel 2:28), “You save the humble, but your eyes are on the haughty to bring them low,” occurs in Muslim scripture.

The Muslim submits to Allah, the absolutely transcendent ruler of the universe, in return for his mercy and beneficence. That is why Muslim faith hinges upon success.

I guess until Muslims learn some kind of humility, we’ll continue to experience acts of terrorism.

atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IK20Ak01.html
Every Muslim I have spoken to had just as much humility as the Pope.

The blame for acts of terrorism belongs on the U.S government. The Bush-Bin Laden act finds young troubled Arabic boys and miss guides them. The media is full of reverse psychology and propaganda. None of it reflex’s Islam.
 
True, Islam does preach humility and Muslims practice personal humility to a limited extent. But this should not be confused with Christain humility.

Beside the personal humility that Muslims show to their peers, which is commendable, it is perhaps the Islamic attitude of segregationist that put off some Christians. If you are non-Muslim there is no way that you can achieve equal treatment by Muslims as compared if you are a Muslim. It can be in term of relationship, friendship or in government matters.

Looking at it from this perspective, it is quite right to say that Islam does not teach genuine humility.
I have seen plenty of segregationist attitudes on the part of Christians.

As a homeschooler in this part of the southern US, I am not welcome in the vast majority of homeschool groups because I will not sign a very literalist Christian statement of faith just to access things like a science fair or spelling bee for my child, things that feed into the regular secular activities that the public schools do. Members of these groups have flat out said that they do not want their child interacting in any way with anyone who is not their brand of Christian, much less with anyone who is non-Christian.

There are pastors in the area who will not perform mixed marriages (and by that I mean between different varieties of Christian, much less Christian and non-Christian). I haven’t seen a lot of evidence that a lot of Catholics are complacent if their child chooses to date or marry a non-Catholic who does not plan to convert.

The government and society in our area is still saturated with a very Protestant Christianity. Public meetings are still lead with Protestant Christian prayers in Jesus name, the mayor of our town lists his (Christian) prayer breakfast as one of his main accomplishments, the local newspaper gives away Bibles, prints the daily prayer and Bible verse, etc. A non-Christian candidate has yet to be elected in this area, to my knowledge. A candidate’s church affiliation is one of his or her primary points in his or her campaign.

Some of this is not even conscious. It is just the inherent assumption that of course the only possible religiion is one’s own and everything should of course be measured by and determined by the tenets of that religion.

Frankly, equal treatment to those outside one’s own group does not come naturally to humans. Take a look at the long history of theocracies of any sort. Have Jews, Muslims, and other non-Christians always enjoyed equal treatment under religiously determined laws? Not in the history books I have read. Heck, in the early days of our own country, even Catholics and Anglicans and Baptists and Presbyterians have not always been treated equally under the law. It was illegal well into the 19th century for a Catholic to hold public office in NC, as just one example. Has this changed because the nature of the teaching of Christian humility has changed over the centuries? I don’t think the Church would say so.

It seems we need to have a common understanding of what is being meant by “genuine humility” and further “Christian humility”. It would be helpful if you would list the specific characteristics of such so that we can then look at them point by point.

You appear to have offered characteristics of equal treatment in relationships, under law and in friendship. I don’t see that Christianity actually passes that test.

MugenOne equates humility with doubt, with acknowledging that the other person may be right and you may be wrong and, apparently, the democratic process. I don’t see that Christianity passes that test.

Thedavidwilson speaks of “Remain humble when you don’t have the upper hand, but when you do get the upper hand wage war on dar al harb, subjugate the people of the book, make them pay a tax and take away their rights”. Care to take a look at the historic treatment of other groups (including Muslims and Jews) when Christianity has held power?

Booklover equates humility with the agreement that other religions may also be correct, that one’s religious laws should not apply to all of humanity, not thinking that one is more pious than any other person (regardless of religion), that one’s religious laws do not necessarily come from God, and that one’s religion is not the Truth. I don’t see Christianity passing that test.

Until we come to a common understanding of what “genuine humility” entails, we have no way to measure whether Islam contains that concept or not.
 
Are you saying that thousands of religions, preaching different doctrines call all be right?? As our Muslim friends keep telling us, God is not the author of confusion!
Not at all. If I didn’t believe that my religion was the most accurate reflection of the spiritual reality that I encounter, then why in the world would I practice it?

I am saying that by its very definition, monotheism cannot allow for any other religion to actually be correct. Monotheism is a black and white proposition, either it is or it is not. By the standards given in this thread, that is not humble. 🤷
 
Is it humility that makes Muslims react with violence at anything they perceive an insult, or that they consider unbelievers to be unclean??
You are characterizing all Muslims by the actions of a few. Would you consider it fair to characterize all Christians by the proponents of the prosperity gospel (hardly “humble” by anyone’s definition, I think)? By some of the Christian extremists who were out bombing abortion clinics, sending things in the mail to them they claimed to be anthrax, etc? By the KKK, who claim to be Christian? The Catholic youths in East Timor who burned three Protestant churches findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2000_June_19/ai_62835796? The violence between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland?

All religions are made up of human beings.
 
Not at all. If I didn’t believe that my religion was the most accurate reflection of the spiritual reality that I encounter, then why in the world would I practice it?

I am saying that by its very definition, monotheism cannot allow for any other religion to actually be correct. Monotheism is a black and white proposition, either it is or it is not. By the standards given in this thread, that is not humble. 🤷
So what do you want? That we should all be our own little Gods, and establish our own personal religion according to our whims and fancies and what is convenient for us? In other words, pick and choose what we want to believe.

You obviously don’t believe that there is any ultimate truth.

Vickie
 
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Booklover equates humility with the agreement that other religions may also be correct, that one’s religious laws should not apply to all of humanity, not thinking that one is more pious than any other person (regardless of religion), that one’s religious laws do not necessarily come from God, and that one’s religion is not the Truth. I don’t see Christianity passing that test.
Huh???:confused:

Vickie
 
Huh???:confused:

Vickie
Reread your post, #14. If these are things that prove that Muslims are not humble, then the opposite would presumably therefore indicate humility. If this is not what you meant, I invite you to list the characteristics you mean when you describe “humility”. As I said, if we cannot agree on the basic objective actions by which one measures humility, then how can we say that Muslims have none or have less of it than Christians?
 
Muslims are taught that they are the best of creation, and the unbelievers the worst. If someone has this concept drilled into him, can he honestly be humble??

If you can find anywhere where Jesus told Christians the same, show us!

One Muslim member of this forum told us once that Muslims pray more in one day than Christians do in one year! Would you call that a humble statement??

Is it humility that makes Muslims react with violence at anything they perceive an insult, or that they consider unbelievers to be unclean??

Vickie
Christians believe only Christians will be taken when Jesus returns. That means you feel you are the best of creation, too.

Muslims have a requirement minimum of five prays a day. I’m sure a lot do more then the minimum. How often do you pray?

Muslims that reach out are kind in nature. They don’t understand your sarcasm,jokes, and hidden meanings. English is more than likely their second language. If they were speaking sarcasm,jokes,and hidden meanings to me right after I learned Arabic I’d be irritated, too.

People that don’t believe in God are usually living like this is heaven and having lots of sex and fun. That is pretty unclean. There are so many people that call their selves Christian that live like this, I understand their confusion.
 
Christians believe only Christians will be taken when Jesus returns
Hi

Please let me correct it. The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 has already come, so better to accept him than to reject him.

However no compulsion.

Thanks
 
Hi

Please let me correct it. The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 has already come, so better to accept him than to reject him.

However no compulsion.

Thanks
Hmm,guess the Sunni Muslims and Christians didn’t get the memo.

Are you sure you belong to a religion within Islam? You sound like a Christian “Restoration” (paganized Christianity). Guess Islam has to have their equivalent.
 
Hi

Please let me correct it. The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 has already come, so better to accept him than to reject him.

However no compulsion.

Thanks
Paar,
Please provide us with some proof or a link where we can see this. I know that you believe it. Please share.
 
Please provide us with some proof or a link where we can see this. I know that you believe it. Please share.
Hi

You may please access:

mta.tv
alislam.org/

I think you would get all details there.

I may help if there is some difficulty.

Thanks
 
Christians believe only Christians will be taken when Jesus returns. That means you feel you are the best of creation, too.
That is from the “left behind” mentality of the fundamentalists.
Muslims have a requirement minimum of five prays a day. I’m sure a lot do more then the minimum. How often do you pray?
That is between me and my Maker and no concern of yours!

Vickie
 
That is from the “left behind” mentality of the fundamentalists.
Fundamentalist Christians. They are part and parcel of Christianity just as much as Catholics are.

The actions to which you object as not showing humility are being carried out and taught by fundamentalist Muslims. If you are willing to judge all Muslims by the actions and teachings of their fundamentalists, I see no reason why you should object to all Christians being judged by the actions and teachings of your fundamentalists.
 
That is from the “left behind” mentality of the fundamentalists.
That is between me and my Maker and no concern of yours!

Vickie

Does that mean it isn’t a majority belief? If so what do Christians believe on the subject?

That is adorable but, you could say it is more or less otherwise I’m assuming it is less,hehe.
 
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