Islam has Truth as Demonstrated by USA

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I see a lot of divorce and remarriage actually! Not like 50% or higher, but it is not like it is
nonexistent.
 
That’s what the USA needs, stopping the women’s Jihad against their husbands.
 
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stopping the women’s Jihad against their husbands
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Such phrases and slogan are not only immature but they do nothing to identify or solve the problems.
And what about the abusive husbands, husbands who abandon their wives and husbands who cheat on their wives?
 
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That’s what the USA needs, stopping the women’s Jihad against their husbands.
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US men file for divorce too. This is not a men vs. women problem.

The reality is that many people today are not religious and have no concept of marriage as being based on vows made before God. At the same time, civil laws have made divorce relatively easy, so if a man and wife are struggling it is often easier to simply part ways rather than do the hard work of fixing the marriage.
 
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Very true, the system is certainly broken. How can the point of one making a vow to “stick it out” not be enough to retain a marriage. That is likely what it was intended for, so that should a problem arise, they have proven commitment to absolve a divorce decree.
 
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Very true, the system is certainly broken. How can the point of one making a vow to “stick it out” not be enough to retain a marriage. That is likely what it was intended for, so that should a problem arise, they have proven commitment to absolve a divorce decree.
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Lots of people make up their own vows now, so it would be a mistake to assume that everyone who got married vowed “till death to us part.”

In addition, not everyone is getting married in the church these days, and even many of those who do often aren’t particularly very religious. They don’t have a firm belief that marriage is really for life or they may believe that is the ideal but also believe there are justifiable reasons one can leave a marriage.
 
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How can the point of one making a vow to “stick it out” not be enough to retain a marriage.
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If they don’t have a religious tradition, their values tend to be transient and that includes how they view marriage.
It is no coincidence 49% of non-religious people who have ever been married have had a divorce while 28% of Catholics who attend Mass weekly and 34% of Evangelicals who attend worship weekly have had a divorce. And let’s not forget that these numbers include people who got divorced prior to converting or returning to either faith traditions, those abandoned and those escaping abuse. And among those who call themselves Catholic or Evangelical but attend infrequently or never (which is an indicator of irreligiosity), they have the same rates as the non-religious.
Want fewer divorces? Ensure the American population is predominantly faithful and spiritually regenerated Christians.
 
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It would be interesting to know the statistic for Islamic divorce rates for those who attend weekly and are married in a Mosque. Other Abrahamic religions certainly seem to claim strong anti-divorce values. Yet, Christians seem to not be making themselves available to stop a divorce in their family when they ought. Now I am feeling called to prayer.
 
what

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do you… hear yourself?

Honestly, the points you’ve been making throughout this thread are utterly nonsensical. Maybe I just don’t understand your writing style, but very little of what you have said makes a lick of sense. Note that I am not attacking you, I am simply in a state of utter confusion.

I feel like you and I are not on the same plane of existence, somehow.
 
It’s hard to know. Those collecting the data are American and their samples don’t have enough Muslims in their surveys for the statistic about Muslims to be valuable or they didn’t publish it because the US is a ‘Christian’ nation.
We have data on Muslim majority countries but they don’t look at weekly attendance or show groupings and may not use the same methodologies.
This one is interesting because the divorce rate in Egypt is being blamed on the ‘triple talaq’ or a version of it:
Egypt’s president alarmed by 40 per cent divorce rate, suggests delegalizing verbal divorce
Egypt’s Abdel-Fatteh el-Sissi has suggested disallowing Muslim husbands to verbally divorce their wives.
Egypt’s president alarmed by 40 per cent divorce rate, suggests delegalizing verbal divorce | The Star
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Bear in mind, Islam allows divorce. So in America, it could be higher but it could be the same or lower too when compared to others.
 
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I thought Jewish men could divorce their wives by saying “I divorce you” three times? A guy my husband worked with used to threaten his wife by saying it twice when they were arguing with the implication being if she didn’t stop arguing he’d say it a third time.
 
You seem to either change what your saying after others inform us of the laws in India, or you do not know the correct info. This ‘murder for hire’ business What are you talking about now. I believe I know,but before you. said abortions, suicides etc. I pray to God for all the women who were hurt or even worse by this.law, Thank God India supreme court declared.‘talaq’ unconstitutional.
 
Some facts that might help frame this discussion (these are all centered around USA, though some include other ‘Western’ nations):
  • The vast majority of divorces in the USA are initiated by women. (~70% of all divorces)
  • No-fault divorce, together with alimony and child-custody/support significantly lowers the cost of divorce. The beneficiaries are primarily women.
  • Men and women commit adultery at roughly the same rate. Given the nature of adultery, pinning down an exact number is difficult. Most studies confirm they are statistically tied.
  • Men and women are victims/perpetrators of domestic abuse/violence at roughly the same rate. Once again, pinning down exact numbers is very difficult, but most studies confirm a statistical tie, or even favor the women (more men being victimized than women). Men are vastly, vastly, vastly, more likely to be punished criminally and civilly for spousal-abuse than women.
  • Women are vastly more likely to be granted custody of children in divorce (~80%). Mothers abuse and kill their children at higher rates than fathers. This is not counting abuse by a sexual partner, which again skews heavily against women (the post-divorce boyfriend vs. the post divorce girlfriend).
  • Children in single-mother homes suffer more poverty, abuse, drug addiction, mental illness, criminality, incarceration, bullying, suicide, sexual abuse, and early-death than children in single-father homes.
 
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Taking these facts into consideration, it seems that we can make a few conclusions:
  • Divorce is a leading cause of child-abuse, poverty, and a whole host of other social ills.
  • Women initiate divorce more often because they generally have a large financial, emotional, and legal advantage against their husbands.
  • Financially speaking, marriage is a bad bet for most men. They are now more likely to divorce than remain married, and they will almost universally suffer more financial hardship than their wife in the event of a divorce.
  • All of these facts coincide with a rising “never-married” rate and a rising “first age of marriage” average.
  • This problem has been going on for a long time and is not going to be solved any time soon.
 
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This is my last reply to you. You have no idea what your talking about, because ther is no ‘get to the point’ with you.
 
Yes, our country does, and a lot of Catholics simply ignore church teaching.
But the Catholic Church doesn’t recognize divorce and remarriage.

(Also, I was replying to what I thought the OP was driving at in his post.)

Peace
 
Count me as one who also has no idea what the OP is trying to ask or state. The OP comes across as confused in his/her statements; they are circular and contradict each other.
 
You offered exactly zero sources. You have the burden of proof, so please do so.
 
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