Kathleen
The Naziis met the head of the beginning Muslim Brotherhood, who was the uncle of Arafat, leader of the Palestinians who died so many years ago. The Muslim Brotherhood committed its own pogroms against the Jews living in Israel shortly afterwards.
Apparently the MB sought an alliance with Germany against Britain to gain political independence for Palestinian Arabs in Palestine.
The MB has never persecuted Jews in the state of Israel.
The Muslim Brotherhood works to make itself and Islam the victim.
The MB from what I know
was persecuted even in its native Egypt for years, and many of its early leaders, such as Sayyid Qutb, were killed by the state. It was an illegal movement, and remains so to this day, although in practice its the largest opposition party in Egyptian government.
Islam took over the Holy Land and Constantinople. It overrun and pillaged Spain for 700 years, and for awhile Spain was under the law of dhimmitude. Sicily, Sardenia were in Muslim hands for a period of time, but were eventually over run.
Christians likewise had control of Palestine and Constantinople. And Christian nations have had dozens of empires throughout history. It was often impossible to be Orthodox or Protestant, let alone Muslim or Jewish under the Christian empires, whereas dhimmi status was compartively decent for those who qualified, for the large part of Islamic history.
Why is Christian rule nothing exceptional in your view?
Al-Andalus in its heyday was the height of culture and scholarship in Europe, and indeed the world. Most of Europe was a cultural and economic backwater until the 15th century.
Therefore when you say Islam “pillaged” and “overan” Spain for 700 years, this is a) either a lie or b) misinformation on your part, although I don’t see how one could have even a little knowledge of Islamic Spain and say it was generationally “pillaged.”
a) The Barbars and other Muslim pirates were responsible for the kidnapping and enslavement of European Christian white women.
b) In fact, most of Islam’s slaves were women for sex slavery within concubines.
This is a classic Orientalist and racist position based on something semi-true, which you’ll especially see in literature and art.
I know that the Ottoman sultans had concubines from all over the Empire, e.g., such as Roxanna, although I don’t know if they were all enslaved.
I doubt you’ll find evidence to back up either claim in general and the second in particular, but by all means, I would like you to present it.
The Arabs controlled the infamous African slave trade…
For some reason you consistently omit European participation (and in this case, African participation) throughout your response.
In any case, I should remind you that not all Arabs are Muslim; some are Christians or Jews.
…there were kidnappings and enslavement of Mozambicans as late as the 1920’s.
From where did you get that information?
The most brutal wars were Islam’s entry into India. I was born after the India-Pakistan war which was very brutal.
I don’t know South Asian history in detail but again, I can tell you present true facts and twist it with your personal opinion or an omission of information.
British imperialism was at partly to blame for provoking tensions between Hindus and Muslims. It was in British interests to keep those they conquered busy fighting each other and unable to oppose their real enemy.
But I don’t see why this should be news. Anyone who’s watched
Ghandi should know this. So either this is another misunderstanding, Kathleen, or a lie.
No tolerance of the native people once Islam numbers grow.
Which is again, not a given.
Islam has been for the large part very stable and at home in China. It’s only recently that there have been problems, but their early history until the early Qing shows a clean record with native Chinese. In fact, the Hui are considered an ethnic minority by PRC despite that they are hardly different from their Han neighbours in culture, language, or appearance. They have Sinified.
– This why we are watching Europe…to see if there will be true integration or an eventual civil war and push for Sharia.
The problem here is that Western Europe hasn’t encountered this kind of diversity before, fom Muslim, African/Asian nations.
It’s a two-sided problem.
On the one hand, Europeans often expect their immigrants to assimilate too soon, and too much.
Muslims sometimes resist European culture as well by isolating themselves in various ways. This is not so bad in the U.K. I think as it is in France, Germany, or Scandanavia.
I sometimes want people to repeat a mantra.
There will never be a Europe where shari’a law is the national legal sytsem. I don’t even see that happening in Eastern Europe.
You would at least need to convert the continent to Islam, and even then, convince your converts that shari’a should be the legal system.
Most Muslim states do not operate under a purely shari’a system.
It is estimated that 270 million people died under the spread of Islam.
There must be a ‘somebody’ who made that estimation. Where did that information come from?
