Did I say you denied jihad?
Hindu violence shares culpability in the conflict with Muslims.
Wrong. If Muslims had stayed in the Arabian peninsula, there would not have been any Hindu violence against them. What goes around comes around.
Objective cultural standards? Dubious. Set by whom?
I didn’t say “objective cultural standards”; I said, “objective standards.” The answer to “set by whom?” is beyond the Islamic mind because there is no Golden Ruled in Islam.
Well, this is a dubious site that refuses to acknowledge any merit Islam has (it is run by apostates from Islam), and the article is rubbish.
And your response is nothing but an ad hominem. Why don’t you try looking at Islam from the non-Muslim point of view? Take the Crusades, for example. Here is a timeline Summary of Events Leading Up to the Crusades:
632 AD – Mohammed dies
633 – Mesopotamia falls to Muslim invasion, followed by the entire Persian Empire
635 – Damascus falls to Muslim invaders
638 – Jerusalem capitulates
643 – Alexandria falls, ending 1,000 years of Hellenic civilization
649 – Cyprus falls
653 – Rhodes falls
673 – Constantinople attacked, repels Muslims
698 – All of North Africa lost to Muslims
711 – Spain invaded by Muslims
717 – Muslims attack Constantinople again; repelled by Emperor Leo the Isaurian
721 – Saragossa falls, Muslims set sights on southern France
720 – Narbonne falls
732 – Bordeaux was stormed and its churches burned down
732 – Charles Martel and his Frankish army defeat Muslims in October, turning back the Muslim tide
732 – Attacks on France continued
734 – Avignon captured by an Muslim force
743 – Lyons sacked
759 – Arabs driven out of Narbonne
838 – Marseilles plundered
800 – Muslims incursions into Italy begin, Islands of Ponza and Ischia plundered
813 – Civitavecchia, the port of Rome sacked
826 – Crete falls to Muslim forces
827 – Muslim forces begin to attack Sicily.
837 – Naples repels a Muslim attack
838 – Marseilles taken
840 – Bari falls
842 – Messina captured and Strait of Messina controlled
846 – Muslims squadrons arrived at Ostia, at the Tiber’s mouth, sack Rome and St. Peter’s Basilica
846 – Taranto in Apulia conquered by Muslim forces
849 – Papal forces repel Muslim fleet at the mouth of the Tiber
853 - 871 – Italian coast from Bari down to Reggio Calabria controlled, Muslims terrorize Southern Italy.
859 – Muslims take control of all Messina
870 – Malta captured by the Muslims.
870 – Bari recaptured from the Muslims by Emperor Louis II
872 – Emperor Louis II defeats a Saracen fleet off Capua
872 – Muslim forces devastate Calabria
878 – Syracuse falls after a nine-month siege
879 – Pope John VIII forced to pay tribute of 25,000 mancuses (AUD$625,000) annually to the Muslims
880 – Byzantine Commanders gain victory over Saracen forces at Naples
881 – Muslims capture fortress near Anzio, plunder surrounding countryside with impunity for 40 years.
887 – Muslim armies take Hysela and Amasia, in Asia Minor
889 – Toulon captured
921 – English pilgrims to Rome crushed to death by rocks rolled down on them by Saracens in the passes of the Alps
902 – Muslim fleets sacked and destroyed Demetrias in Thessaly, Central Greece
904 – Thessalonica falls to Muslim forces
915 – After three months of blockade, Christian forces victorious against Saracens holed-up in their fortresses north of Naples
934 – Genoa attacked by Muslim forces
935 – Genoa taken
972 – Saracens finally driven from the fortress of Faxineto
976 – Caliphs of Egypt send fresh Muslim expeditions into southern Italy. Initially the German Emperor Otho II , who had set up his headquarters in Rome, successfully defeated these Saracen forces
977 – Sergius, Archbishop of Damascus, expelled from his See by Muslims
982 – Emperor Otho’s forces ambushed and his army defeated
1003 – Muslims from Spain sack Antibes
1003 - 1009 – Marauding bands of Saracens plunder Italian coast from Pisa to Rome from bases on Sardinia
1005 – Muslims from Spain sack Pisa
1009 – Caliph of Egypt orders destruction of the Holy Sepulchre, the Tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem
1010 – Saracens seize Cosenza in southern Italy
1015 – All Sardinia falls
1016 – Muslims from Spain again sack Pisa
1017 – Fleets of Pisa and Genoa sail for Sardinia, find Saracens crucifying Christians, drive Saracen leader out. Saracens try to re-take Sardinia until 1050
1020 – Muslims from Spain sack Narbonne
1095 – The First Crusade.
As the above shows, there were 463 years that elapsed between Mohammed’s death in 632 and the calling of the first Crusade to free lands that had been Christian for 1,000 years and to stop Muslim invasion of Mediterranean Christian countries. What were Muslims doing so far from Arabia? As I said, there wouldn’t have been any “oppression” of Muslims had they stayed in Arabia.
Now, suppose instead of Muslims attacking Christian countries around the Mediterranean, Christian countries were attacking Arabia? I know that is a difficult question because to Islam the normal state of affairs is Islam rules the world, and all debates take off from that as a given. As far as I’m concerned, Islam bears full responsibility for all violence committed against its followers, because, what goes around comes around.
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