Did you ever read the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)? A lot of similar violence in there. However, here is where text interpretation in the context of culture, other verses, Hebrew language, and writing style is important. As a Protestant, you probably realize how important textual analysis is.
The difference is, none of the acts in the OT which were a direct violation of God’s will went unpunished; whereas in Islam, their “prophet” not only goes unpunished for his horrendous breach of natural law, he falsely claims it was God’s will. He essentially attempts to attribute a contradictory nature to God.
Of course the Bible has been analyzed and interpreted in countless ways over the centuries. We are accustomed to contextual analysis. This is not the case with the Koran, or hasn’t been until now.
And also as a Protestant I’m commanded to love you, just as I believe Jesus most certainly loved you. He loves the Jews and was a Jew, but what about Islam my Jewish friend?
I wonder how much of this is regional and cultural. I know some devout Muslim women from India and Indonesia who do not veil. Maybe because they live abroad and work in an academic setting? Are all the women in India, Indonesia and Pakistan veiled? Is their interpretation different, since they are farther removed from Saudi Arabia?
well , judging from what I know, those places like india , Africa , and Indonesia were muslims for centuries … so they developed a local traditions that is not neccessrly following what the muhammad say and did . For example , in west africa , many muslims celebrate Christmas with christians. However , its changing all over the Islamic world. It’s like what happening in Latin America where most people are culturally catholic , but not necessarily follow the core teachings of the church. And like the Pentecostals who proselytized catholics, salafies are doing the same thing for suffis commuities. Therefore you see more and more radcle views coming from pakistan and india then it was 40 years ago .The only different is , I would argue, that sufism is not deep into what muhammad said and did , as salafies are. Thats why salafies (who are the worse kind of religious group) are growing much in number and the image of soft Islam is changing fast , thanks be to them.
Thank you. I am looking at them now.
And the following lines from the Hadith seem to confirm this:
Here are some verses:
(Quran 9:29):
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”
(Quran 47:4):
“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”
(Quran 9:5):
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
(Quran 5:33):
“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment”.
Many times to rise Christian faith you assault İslam injusticely and cluelessly. Have you ever seen that a Muslim aspersion christianity. Muslim does not accept Trinity and some topics in Christianity but they explain cause of this and never assault. So do Muslims and İslam advocate violence or do others?
But, you did not read my post. I am not accusing anyone of anything. I do have a real Muslim friend who always says that acts of terrorism by various groups who shout “Allahu Akbar” when they kill children are not part of Islam.
Here is a clue. Another “Allahu Akbar” killing. This time in London. They cut off a man’s head as he was walking by.
They ran him over with a car first, got out of said car and then starting hacking him up.
I read something about seeing a grave and wanting to be in it… I clicked the X button immediately!
I wanted to attract attention that there is no such violence idea in İslam. But there are individual samples which indeed has no link to İslam. Non of normal İslamic group or state practise violence. So we may analyse this as sociological.
Finally, the Koran says that the Bible is the word of God and that the Bible is wrong. How can God be wrong? Why would God try to confuse all the Christians in the world by tricking us into believing that Jesus was crucified? The Koran says that Jesus did not die on the cross. Is God playing a little joke? Is he fooling us? Or, is the Koran wrong?
I’m alluding to the acts of G-d Himself or His instructions to the leaders of His people, which, if not interpreted carefully, would seem to suggest that the G-d of the Jews and the universe is hardly a beneficent Being.
You do realise a lot of muslims leaders have denounced the killing in Woolwich…
