Islam is a peaceful religion

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Doesn’t a post like this reappear every few months? I
paarsurrey posts spam all the time.

His tactic is: huge monologue; we’re just to accept it. He might accept one or two out of a dozen questions, but declare he’s not here to debate - which is itself something that might have had him thrown-off for from some fora- because he’s declaring his intention is to spam!

Then he posts more spam, then opens up a new thread to repeat this cycle.

All the while he’s proabably genuinely convinced that this is the way to draw people to Islam - to get them to stop thinking and accept his mantra.

One of Islam’s most dangerous enemy is open discussion.
 
I would love to debate Muslims freely here because I cant do it on Islamic message boards. I find those conversations enlightening and reassuring to myself. The problem is that every time I try they just repeat dogma…Im not going to reread and reread Islamic scripture to get a question I have about contradictions answered when I have about 100 pages of it to look at. I dont understand why a Muslim cant answer these questions themselves or find someone who can answer them. Which boils down to the whole problem with Islam, they refuse to look at their faith objectively and they refuse to entertain debate about their beliefs thinking that it is either insulting or that you are trying to evangelize them. They all need to take a chill pill and lossen up.
 
I would love to debate Muslims freely here because I cant do it on Islamic message boards. I find those conversations enlightening and reassuring to myself. The problem is that every time I try they just repeat dogma…Im not going to reread and reread Islamic scripture to get a question I have about contradictions answered when I have about 100 pages of it to look at. I dont understand why a Muslim cant answer these questions themselves or find someone who can answer them. Which boils down to the whole problem with Islam, they refuse to look at their faith objectively and they refuse to entertain debate about their beliefs thinking that it is either insulting or that you are trying to evangelize them. They all need to take a chill pill and lossen up.
In Islamic schools they learn the Koran by rote. There’s no real ‘discussion’. There’s simply teaching and acceptence (submission). It dulls the mind.

It’s why science died in Islam - no enquiring minds were encouraged.

And you can see it today on these boards where Moslems repeat their mantras rather than discuss.
 
In Islamic schools they learn the Koran by rote. There’s no real ‘discussion’. There’s simply teaching and acceptence (submission). It dulls the mind.

It’s why science died in Islam - no enquiring minds were encouraged.

And you can see it today on these boards where Moslems repeat their mantras rather than discuss.
Ive seen on doco’s in countries like Pakistan and Iran, a lot of the children can recite the quran off the top of their heads…
 
Ive seen on doco’s in countries like Pakistan and Iran, a lot of the children can recite the quran off the top of their heads…
In some Jewish schools they pair boys up and they challenge each other to debate/discuss all sorts of points about the Torah.

No such luck with Moslem students. In Sudan they beat them and force them to parrot the Koran.
 
In some Jewish schools they pair boys up and they challenge each other to debate/discuss all sorts of points about the Torah.

No such luck with Moslem students. In Sudan they beat them and force them to parrot the Koran.
Its discusting.
 
Hi

No, that is not correct, only a misconception.

Kindly quote from Quran, where it specifically mentions for Catholics to kill them. Muhammad relations with the Catholics/Orthodoxies were good.

Thanks
Uh muslims murdered tens of thousands of Christians in Turkey when the MUSLIM violently invaded that area. Thousands of chapels called Fairy Chimmneys were destroyed or defaced by muslims. There was only peace when the Christians were so beaten down that they were subdued as the koran commands:

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Islam has always brought death and desctruction and always will since it is from Satan.
 
Uh muslims murdered tens of thousands of Christians in Turkey when the MUSLIM violently invaded that area. Thousands of chapels called Fairy Chimmneys were destroyed or defaced by muslims. There was only peace when the Christians were so beaten down that they were subdued as the koran commands:

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Islam has always brought death and desctruction and always will since it is from Satan.
paarsurrey’s had that one quote mentioned to him hundreds of times. His response is to say that there’s no verses calling for the death of anyone, then demanding people show him where.

It’s like on a merry-go-round.
 
Hi

PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908 was endowed with a Prophetic Eye by GodAllahYHWH.
Really? And you can prove this how?
He wrote a book titled “Jesus in India”
Unless he’s speaking of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist in Indian Catholic Churches, that pretty much debunks his “prophetic eye”.
in which he noted violence that would spread in the whole world; worried as he was he wrote about its sources and how to rout it out from the hearts.
Violence has pretty much existed in the whole world from before the time of Christ. Have you not read the accounts of the people during the time of Noah?
I would give excerpts from the preface of his above referred book, where he had discussed it.
"I have written this book, so that, by adducing proofs from established facts, from conclusive historical evidence of proved value and from ancient documents of non-Muslims, I might remove the serious misconceptions which are current among Muslims and among most Christian sects regarding the earlier and the later life of Jesus (on whom be peace) - misconceptions, the dangerous implications of which have not only injured and destroyed the conception of Divine Unity, but the unwholesome and poisonous influence of which has for long been noticed in the morals of the Muslims of this country.
Spiritual maladies, i.e., want of good morals, evil thoughts, callousness, want of sympathy, are spreading among most Islamic sects, being the result of beliefs in unfounded stories and anecdotes of this kind. Human sympathy, pity and love of justice, humility and humble-mindedness - all good qualities - are disappearing day by day, as if they will soon bid a last farewell to this community. This callousness and this immorality make many a Muslim appear no better than the beasts of the jungle. A Jain or a Buddhist is afraid of and avoids killing even a mosquito or a flea, but, alas! there are many among us Muslims who, while they kill an innocent man or commit wanton murder, are not afraid of the powerful God, who rates human life higher than that of all the animals.
Thanks for admitting that Muslims are violent.
What is this callousness and cruelty and want of sympathy due to? It is due to this - that from their very childhood, stories and anecdotes and wrong views of the doctrine of Jihad are dinned into their ears and inculcated into their hearts
Am I believing what I’m reading? An admission that Jihad is inculcated into the hearts of Muslim children until…
, the result being that gradually they become morally dead and cease to feel the heinousness of their hateful actions;
Hooray, Paarsurrey! This is exactly what we’ve been telling you and the Muslims on this website.
nay, rather, the man who murders another man unawares and thus brings ruin to the murdered man’s family thinks that he has done a meritorious deed; or rather, that he has made the most of an opportunity to win favour with his community.
As no lectures or sermons are delivered in our country to stop such evils -
EXACTLY! These things are encouraged by Muslims. They only deny these things ever happened or they justify them.

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and if there are any such lectures they have an element of hypocrisy in them
Wo!!! Dude, you are on a roll!!!
the common people think approvingly of such misdeeds. Accordingly, taking pity upon my own people, I have compiled several books in Urdu, Persian and Arabic, in which I have stated that the popular view of Jihad prevalent among Muslims, that is, the expectation of a bloody Imam, full of spite and hostility for other people, is a texture of false beliefs inculcated by shortsighted Ulema
Very Good! This is exactly what we see as well.

But your solution below, needs a bit of tweaking.
otherwise, Islam does not allow the use of the sword for the Faith; except in the case of defensive wars, or in the case of wars waged to punish a tyrant or to uphold freedom.
I wonder why you guys keep telling us. Why don’t you go to the Muslims who are committing these atrocities and educate them in the true peacefulness of the Quran?
The need of a defensive war arises when the aggression of an adversary threatens one’s own life. These are the three kinds of Jihad permitted by the Shariat, and, apart from these three kinds, there is no other kind of war which is permitted by Islam for the propagation of the Faith. I have, in short, spent a large sum of money on such books, and have published them in this country and in Arabia and Syria and Khurasan, etc. But, by the grace of God, I have n
But…what? You’ve given up? Spend some more of that oil money and get those folks to understand.
now discovered powerful arguments which are meant to eradicate these unfounded beliefs from the hearts of the people.
And…
I have clear proofs, circumstantial evidence of a conclusive character, and historical evidence the light of whose truth holds out the promise that soon after their publication there will be brought about against such beliefs a wonderful change in the hearts of the Muslims.
Did you publish them? What happened?
And I hope - I am sure -
You were right the first time. You hope…cause it ain’t happenin’ babe, I hate to tell you.
that after these truths have been comprehended, there will flow out of the hearts of the righteous sons of Islam the sweet and beautiful springs of lowliness, humility and mercy, and that there will come about a spiritual change which will have a wholesome and a blessed influence on the country.
One can only hope. Well, don’t give up, keep on trying. Meantime, you might want to save your energy here and post this on Islamic websites and print them in books and on paper and send them to Islamic hotspots like Sudan. You might even travel there yourself and do a bit of preaching. Try not to get killed in the process. Muslims don’t like to hear this kind of stuff. It sounds too much like Christianity.
I am also sure that Christian investigators and all other people who hanker after the truth and thirst for it, will benefit from my books. And the fact just now stated by me, that the real object of this book is to correct the wrong beliefs which have become part and parcel of the creeds of Muslims and Christians, requires a little explanation which I set out below."
AND Christians? Why’d you lump us in with that group? We don’t go around teaching our children jihad?

And you were doing so well…

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
I personally would not discuss the 144 (?) war verse in the peaceful Quran. I’d discuss another idea, mainly the hatred shown by Muhammad/Allah to both Jews and Christians in both Quran and Hadith were he curses both. Muhammad says “cursed be the Jews and Christians” and Jesus says " Father forgive them". How can a religion be peaceful when it teaches hatred toward others? is it peaceful to Muslims? could be but peace is a general term that does neither apply to the Quran nor to Muhammad’s character, even if he were peaceful at some times…after all, am sure even Hitler had his good moments but his hatred to others reveals everything but a peaceful man. Hatred and peace do not co-exist.
 
Islam’s a religion that makes people lose the ability to think rationally.
 
Hi

Next from the OP.

Let it be known that most Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) went alive to the heavens; both these people have believed for a long time that Jesus (on whom be peace) is still alive in the heavens, and will sometime in the latter days come down to the earth.

The difference in their views, i.e. the view of the followers of Islam and that of the Christians, is only this, that the Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) died on the Cross, was resurrected, and went to the heavens in his earthly body, seated himself on the right hand of his Father, and will come to the earth in the latter days for judgment; they also say that the Creator and the Master of the world is this Jesus the Messiah and no one else; he it is who, in the latter days of the world, will descend to the earth with a glorious descent to award punishment and reward; then, all who will not believe in him or his mother as God, will be hauled up and thrown into hell, where weeping and wailing will be their lot.

But the aforesaid sects of Muslims say that Jesus (on whom be peace) was not crucified, nor did he die on the Cross; on the other hand, when the Jews arrested him in order to crucify him an angel of God took him away to the heavens in his earthly body, and he is still alive in the heavens - which, they say, is the second heaven where is also the prophet Yahya, i.e. John.

Muslims, moreover, also say that Jesus (on whom be peace) is an eminent prophet of God, but not God, nor the son of God, and, they believe that he will in the latter days descend to the earth, near the Minaret of Damascus or near some other place, supported on the shoulders of two angels, and that he and Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, who will be already in the world, and who will be a Fatimite, will kill all the non-Muslims, not leaving anyone alive except those who will forthwith and without any delay become Muslims.

In short, the real object of the descent of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the earth, as stated by Muslim sects known as Ahl-i-Sunnat or Ahl-i-Hadith called Wahabis by the common people - is that, like the Mahadev of the Hindus, he should destroy the whole world; that he should first threaten the people to become Muslims and then, if they persist in disbelief, massacre them all with the sword; they moreover say that he is alive in the heavens in his earthly body, so that, when Muslim powers become weak, he will come down and kill the non-Muslims or coerce them on pain of death to become Muslims.

Regarding the Christians especially, the divines of the aforesaid sects state that when Jesus (on whom be peace) comes down from the heavens he will break all the Crosses in the world, do many a cruel deed with the sword, and inundate the world with blood. And, just as I have stated, these people, i.e. the Ahl-i-Hadith etc. from among the Muslims, are enthusiastic about their belief that a short time before the coming down of the Messiah there will appear an Imam from the Bani Fatima whose name will be Muhammad, the Mahdi.

He it is who will be Khalifa and King of the time, and as he will belong to the Koraish, his real object will be to kill all non-Muslims except those who readily recite the Kalima. Jesus (on whom be peace) will come down in order to help him in his work; and although Jesus himself (on whom be peace) will be a Mahdi - nay, a greater Mahdi - yet, because it is essential that the Khalifa of the time should be a Koraish, Jesus (on whom be peace) will not be the Khalifa of the time; the Khalifa of the time will be that same Muhammad, the Mahdi. Muslims say that these two together will fill the earth with the blood of man, and they will shed more blood than has ever been shed before in the history of the world.

No sooner will they appear than they will start this bloody campaign; they will neither preach nor plead, nor show any sign. And they also say that although Jesus (on whom be peace) will be like an adviser or a lieutenant of Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, and although the reins of power will be in the hands of the Mahdi only, Jesus (on whom be peace) will instigate Hazrat Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, to massacre the whole world and will advise him to adopt extreme measures, i.e. he will make amends for the humane teaching which he had given to the world before, namely, ‘not to resist evil,’ and, being struck on one cheek, ‘to turn the other cheek also.’

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Thanks
 
Well, im good at stating the obvious 😛
Hey, did you notice even his spam is off-topic from his own thread?

What the issue “Jesus is/isn’t alive in heaven” has to do with " Islam is a peaceful religion" is beyond me. :rolleyes:
 
Hey, did you notice even his spam is off-topic from his own thread?

What the issue “Jesus is/isn’t alive in heaven” has to do with " Islam is a peaceful religion" is beyond me. :rolleyes:
He needs a good reason to spam…

I think Paars might be addicted to spamming. Once he does it, he has his fix… then 2 days later, a mass of spam happens again… i think he might have sort of problem perhaps??? :rolleyes:
 
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