Islam is a religion of peace

[Artaxerxes_III]

In my opinion no religion is peaceful and even irreligion isn’t. It is because of our warlike nature that makes our beliefs turn destructive but then again its my opinion.

 

[TEPO]

I would accept evidence immediately!

I don’t normally post here, but after strolling around and stumbling on this thread tonight -I have to say that it seems unhealthy to take part in a conversation where two completely different religions are sized-up against each other.

My best advice is not to try to contrast where another compares. I’d just ignore the comparisons as your opponents tend to ignore your contrasts.

…that’s my two cents. Carry on.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

I don’t normally post here, but after strolling around and stumbling on this thread tonight -I have to say that it seems unhealthy to take part in a conversation where two completely different religions are sized-up against each other.

My best advice is not to try to contrast where another compares. I’d just ignore the comparisons as your opponents tend to ignore your contrasts.

…that’s my two cents. Carry on.

So your point is, you are adding nothing to the thread, you just wanted to pop in and tell people not to participate in the thread…

 

[TEPO]

So your point is, you are adding nothing to the thread, you just wanted to pop in and tell people not to participate in the thread…

Don’t you see the vortex that dronald has gotten trapped in? When someone compares Christianity to Islam, the moment a response to that is given, one becomes immediately trapped in the vortex of contrast / compare. It’s never ending, it’s unhealthy and it solves nothing.

Just state your positions and avoid the vortex. That’s all I’m saying… as soon as the comparisons emerge, just ignore them -no matter how tempting it is to respond.

 

[TEPO]

The way I approach difficult subjects is by using numbers…

The Koran has 164 clearly identifiable verses urging the importance of Jihad.
answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

Many people might argue that within Islam, some view Jihad as a personal struggle against evil while others argue that it means violence against infidels, etc. but people can judge for themselves whether the former applies to the actual verses or not. Here are some examples:

Set 11, Count 32 …reckon not those who are killed in Allah’s way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord

Excerpt K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 …who fought and were slain…I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.

Excerpt K 5:033
Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have “exiled” rather than “imprisoned”]

Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Excerpt K 33:25-27
Set 66, Count 131-133 [33.25]…Allah sufficed the believers in fighting… [33.26]…some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27]…He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden…

Excerpt K 33:050
Set 67, Count 134 …those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses * out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war…*

 

[TEPO]

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The way I approach difficult subjects is by using numbers…

The Koran has 164 clearly identifiable verses urging the importance of Jihad.
answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

Many people might argue that within Islam, some view Jihad as a personal struggle against evil while others argue that it means violence against infidels, etc. but people can judge for themselves whether the former applies to the actual verses or not. Here are some examples:

S**et 11, Count 32 …reckon not those who are killed in Allah’s way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord

Excerpt K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 …who fought and were slain…I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.**

Excerpt K 5:033
Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have “exiled” rather than “imprisoned”]

Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Excerpt K 33:25-27
Set 66, Count 131-133 [33.25]…Allah sufficed the believers in fighting… [33.26]…some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27]…He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden…

Excerpt K 33:050
Set 67, Count 134 …those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses * out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war… from their Lord

Excerpt K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 …who fought and were slain…I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.

Excerpt K 5:033
Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have “exiled” rather than “imprisoned”]

Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Excerpt K 33:25-27
Set 66, Count 131-133 [33.25]…Allah sufficed the believers in fighting… [33.26]…some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27]…He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden…

Excerpt K 33:050
Set 67, Count 134 …those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses * out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war…**

The first two clearly cannot relate to a personal struggle with orthodoxy -if they did, it would indicate that one who fails and falls into sin will be rewarded. That doesn’t make sense. Clearly the verses from the Koran indicate that Jihad means physical violence.

 

[HolyCrusader007]

TEPO,

One of the things that we in the west dont get to see on media outlets such as fox news and CNN(although this is starting to change) are the funerals of the US friendly Muslims such as the Kurds.

For example,

youtube.com/watch?v=gRKbc3Wz9a0

If one watches the video, you will note the term Shahid being used to describe the Kurds who died fighting ISIL terrorists. A Shahid is something in Islam that is similar to a Christian Martyr.

Omar(a companion of Muhammad) prayed outside of a Christian Church to let future Muslims know that it would go against Islam to harm Christians, or to destroy Christian Churches. Imo, Its the Kurdish Muslims(among others) who have the true Islamic values, such as honesty, courage and nobility.

 

[cmodrmac]

there are several hundred million Muslims who think it is acceptable to kill individuals who will not convert to Islam or who have the audacity to leave Islam

this religion I guess worked well in a rural desert environment -the peaceful Muslims should speak up - produce their own videos and the like but they will not-

even centuries ago when they tolerated the " People of the Book" they tolerated and taxed the Christians and Jews and of course a muslim had to be seated higher than anyone of the Christians or Jews and thus the “infidels” could not ride a horse as this mde them higher than a walking Muslim

saudi arabia is a horrible theocracy routinely beheading individuals-not 1 Church is allowed there-read about their branch of Islam the wahabees-please

the Muslim religion is too foreign and violent for the USA

 

[anon99031074]

Religion does not exist independently of the human mind. It does not float around in an abstract sphere where it is either peaceful or not peaceful. To a peaceful human being who is a practicing Muslim, it is a religion of peace. To a violent psychopath, it will not be. The same is true of all other belief systems.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

All the Muslims (9) I know are peaceful, happy, open and friendly people. Their faith has a profound, visible effect on them. I have witnessed this over the years.

I understand their anguish at times because Catholicism is often misunderstood, doctrines misinterpreted, generalisations made, history trotted out again and again, crucifying the group for the actions of a few etc etc etc

They are expected to provide an explanation for every crazy Muslim out there, even for ISIS which is Muslims killing Muslims. Meanwhile I am personally responsible for explaining the Church’s abuse scandals and Westboro Baptists.

 

[Gaels]

I bet many of the posters here have not even MET a single practicing muslim; it’s sad when an entire religious group is defined by a few fringe extreme groups shown on the media…