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While I have a high disdain for Christian Fundamentalism, I don’t think the poster you’re responding to realizes that as bad as Fundamentalists can be, to date, there are not thousands of them strapping bombs to their chests and detonating secular coffee shops, adult film stores, etc.

That’s a far cry from Islamic fundamentalism.
As do I, and I agree with you that the poster does not understand anything about Christian Fundamentalists…even though they are not strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing up innocent people in the name of their God.

Big difference. Big difference indeed.
 
No, I didn’t ignore it. You have wholly misunderstood it. No-one got rid of Christian Fundamentalists…they just went quiet for a while. They are back, and have been strongly so for some time now. …
If they (Christian Fundamentalists) are really “back”, then please inform this “good news” to the Jews and see what and what not reminds them from their “glorious a nd golden past” under the “Divine” Christian Fundamentalists.

I think they are back/reborn only on Websites like this one (“Catholic Answers”)…lol…who are causing more harm to their own Christian faith due to their completely out of mind attitude.
 
No, I didn’t ignore it. You have wholly misunderstood it. No-one got rid of Christian Fundamentalists…they just went quiet for a while. They are back, and have been strongly so for some time now. .
“They [Christian Fundamentalists] just went quiet for a while.” ???

lol lol lol LOL
 
No, I didn’t ignore it. You have wholly misunderstood it. No-one got rid of Christian Fundamentalists…they just went quiet for a while. They are back, and have been strongly so for some time now. .
No sale…
Oh man…This is really classic of you…I am still LOL laughing at this.

As to<,
Now it is you who has fallen victim to the massive anti-West boogie man propaganda machine…

Lets see: Much of the Opium that is produced in the world comes straight out of an “ISLAMIC” country…that being Afghanistan, and they produce about 80% of the worlds illegal supplies of Opium/Heroin. That’s something to be proud of.

Gee, I wonder why all the “righteous and good honest Muslims” haven’t taken steps to destroy those crops and retrain the farmers to produce food instead of DOPE???

Please get your facts straight before you start blowing your horn.

No sale…
A true Islamic Law governed state will never ever allow productions or sale of drugs such as Opium, Heroin and alcohal etc.

But to keep the record straight, that Afghanistan of Taliban ( who were not totally Islamic and who had not good enough peaceful time to establish an examplery Islamic state due to various geo-politcal-afghan cultural reasons) were somehow able to fight against opium production effectively.

Taleban drugs control 'effective’

**The Taleban’s fight against opium production in Afghanistan was the “most effective” drug control policy of modern times, research suggests. **

During the 1990s [under Communist back government], Afghanistan was the main source of the world’s illicit heroin supply.

But a UK study has found a Taleban crackdown on drugs led to global heroin production falling by two-thirds in 2001.
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news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3408353.stm
 
If they (Christian Fundamentalists) are really “back”, then please inform this “good news” to the Jews and see what and what not reminds them from their “glorious a nd golden past” under the “Divine” Christian Fundamentalists.
They are very aware of it…though they will readily say they are far more concerned about “Muslims” than Christians. You are forgetting that we, particularly in the US have specific laws that protect religious groups…unlike Islamic countries. I think you also do not understand the subject you are trying to expound on.
I think they are back/reborn only on Websites like this one (“Catholic Answers”)…lol…who are causing more harm to their own Christian faith due to their completely out of mind attitude.
You are mistaken. Christian Fundamentalists, while there may be a couple of them that visit this site…are far from constituting any predominance on this site. They have their own. Perhaps you would like some links to their sites so you can sell your goods there… Maybe they will buy into your line. No one here has a completely out of mind attitude. I don’t think you even know what a “Christian Fundmentalist” is…

Tell me, is your conduct…an example of a “good Muslim”? Is it a tenet of your beliefs to criticize and insult others you do not know? Remember, you came here, we did not go to you.

You still have failed to answer my question… Was there a threat in one of your last posts? A simple yes or no will do.
 
Silouan… That article written by Fr. Pulcini was written 11 years ago. There has been a lot of water pass under the bridge since then.

I wonder if he still believes what he said then now?

Considering all the troubles they have had in France, and the violence that went with it in Paris, and the rest of the violence in other countries in Europe…not to mention the attacks on the US on 9/11 perpetrated by Muslims as an act of Jihad… I think his view would have to be somewhat different…or he is wearing “blinders” or afraid of physical repercussions.

No, I do not believe all Muslims are bad…but I have a problem with those who try to justify Islam…while criticizing all others, and yet they have significant problems in their own backyards that they have yet to clean up. Its rather hypocritical that they pander their beliefs and actions as “peaceful”…when in reality all they want to do is establish a fascist theocracy.

No sale…
Fr. Pulcini is not ignorant of Islam. There were Islamic extremist prior to 9/11, Fr. Pulcini is not ignorant of that. I am an ex-Muslim. Much of the Islamic extremism that exist is a result of the European oppression of Muslim countries, the disregard for human rights. Colonization gave birth Islamic extremism. Its a fact.

The Islam that I was taught as a Traditional Sunni Muslim, is very peaceful. One of the greatest living Islamic scholars, Habib Umar said that when you call anyone to Islam, you must first think that the person you are calling to Islam as better than you. You have place them at a higher status than you.

The Islam that I was taught is very peaceful. The Islam that I was taught is very spiritual. I say this as an ex-Muslim, and I am now an Orthodox Christian. I will not sit up here and lie about what I was taught concerning Islam to please those who hate Islam.

As an Orthodox Christian, I am taught to Love first.

At the same time, I don’t believe Islam as it is taught today is an accurate expression of the Abrahamic faith of which it claims. I also think Muhammad did not accurately understand Orthodox Christianity when he was alive, and mis-represented Orthodox-Catholic Christianity in the Quran.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Oh man…This is really classic of you…I am still LOL laughing at this.

As to<,

A true Islamic Law governed state will never ever allow productions or sale of drugs such as Opium, Heroin and alcohal etc.
LOL…LOL…LOL Yeah right…and if you keep telling yourself that enough times, you may actually one day believe what you are saying… Speaking of CLASSIC RESPONSES!!
But to keep the record straight, that Afghanistan of Taliban ( who were not totally Islamic and who had not good enough peaceful time to establish an examplery Islamic state due to various geo-politcal-afghan cultural reasons) were somehow able to fight against opium production effectively.
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

The 80% figure is from 2005!! Tell you what… how about you google just three words…“World Opium Production”…and read what you get there… They do let you use google don’t they, or is that “outlawed”? The Taliban might have tried to suppress it, but it didn’t work…and it seems they were too busy killing other Muslims and running Afghanistan into the ground…trying to turn it back into a “stone age country”…while probably selling the opium to buy weapons… “Geo-political-afghan cultural reasons”… that spells “whitewash over hogwash”…
Taleban drugs control 'effective’
**The Taleban’s fight against opium production in Afghanistan was the “most effective” drug control policy of modern times, research suggests. **
According to who?

During the 1990s [under Communist back government], Afghanistan was the main source of the world’s illicit heroin supply.
But a UK study has found a Taleban crackdown on drugs led to global heroin production falling by two-thirds in 2001.
llll"
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3408353.stm
And precisely who wrote the study and funded it? Muslims?

Talk about “swallowing propaganda”!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
 
Fr. Pulcini is not ignorant of Islam. There were Islamic extremist prior to 9/11, Fr. Pulcini is not ignorant of that. I am an ex-Muslim. Much of the Islamic extremism that exist is a result of the European oppression of Muslim countries, the disregard for human rights. Colonization gave birth Islamic extremism. Its a fact.
Silouan… I did not intend to imply that Fr. Pulcini is ignorant in any fashion. I am also aware that there have been Islamic extremists for years…many years, many, many years. I understand what you are saying, but the European and Western communities are not entirely to blame for the ills of the Muslim world. Did not the Moors and the Ottomans invade Spain and more of Europe…as well as Turkey and other countries.
The Islam that I was taught as a Traditional Sunni Muslim, is very peaceful. One of the greatest living Islamic scholars, Habib Umar said that when you call anyone to Islam, you must first think that the person you are calling to Islam as better than you. You have place them at a higher status than you.
The Islam that I was taught is very peaceful. The Islam that I was taught is very spiritual. I say this as an ex-Muslim, and I am now an Orthodox Christian. I will not sit up here and lie about what I was taught concerning Islam to please those who hate Islam.
I respect your words. I do not expect you to lie about or for anyone. Your insights can be valuable.

I know that many Muslims lived peacefully with many other peoples and that the problems today can be laid at the feet of the extremists… But is it not true that “truly peaceful” Muslims wanting to be and remain peaceful need to bring about the cessation of the hostilities caused by the extremists?
As an Orthodox Christian, I am taught to Love first.
As we Catholics are too.
At the same time, I don’t believe Islam as it is taught today is an accurate expression of the Abrahamic faith of which it claims. I also think Muhammad did not accurately understand Orthodox Christianity when he was alive, and mis-represented Orthodox-Catholic Christianity in the Quran.
In Christ,
I agree… on all counts.

I know of several Muslims who live in my area…they are hard working, industrious, educated people who are good and are respected in the community. I have no problem with them.

The biggest problem today…is separating the wheat from the chaff. And it seems that some Muslims simply don’t understand that we are not interested in becoming part of their world. We are not interested at all. Forced conversions will not work…and any attempts at it will cause great strife…and in a country like the US, it won’t happen because we are a nation of laws. While people in this country seem complacent…well, just look at what happened to the Japanese empire after they attacked this country. Attacks do not have to be totally overt and the people of this country are not stupid.

I guess what I am trying to say…is that today, I fear that there are people of the Muslim faith who lack any tangible understanding of the real Western mentality…

May the Love and Peace of Christ be with you always!!

Rob
 
All these giant red "LOL"s are pretty annoying. Can we please keep our responses to standard-sized fonts? It makes everything much easier/less obnoxious to read.

Also, it is worth remembering that Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (the communist-backed state) was dissolved in 1992, as it was in really awful shape after 10 years of Soviet invasion and the ensuing civil war after the Soviet pull out in 1989, so I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to use stats from that time as if they represent Islamic governments’ programs regarding opium production.
 
While they may outnumber Catholics…they do not outnumber Christians in the “West”… My comment was not regarding Catholics vs Muslims… It was about the West as a whole. In the coming years…some interesting things may come into play, and they will be on the level of geo-political…and you will see “unlikely friends” be just that. But one of the peoples not included will be the Muslims. I just have a feeling, that somehow we are going to see a repeat of history on one level…
you are correct. what no one really knows are the number of Chinese/Southeast Asian Christians that have to be quiet AND the number of muslims who are quietly Christians. It usually is not the reverse because the two fascisms - islam and communism - have made martyrs out of those while the reverse is not true. Well, in the case of islam - martyrs are those who die blowing up Jews, Christians, etc.
 
Did not the Moors and the Ottomans invade Spain and more of Europe…as well as Turkey and other countries.
Yes, they did. I try to look at the bigger picture though. I am not a supporter of any injustice, regardless who does, be it the Orthodox Church, Catholic Church, or the Muslims for that matter.

There is a universal law, what goes around comes around. Jesus taught this, do unto others as you would have them done unto you.

I believe the oppression that the Muslims are enduring is because of the oppressions they caused others, I believe that is true for the church as well, historically speaking, when the Muslim oppressed the Orthodox Church in Greece, or the Muslim conquering Spain, etc etc. If you study history you will see it is because of an injusitce (oppression) that they caused cause someone else, or it may simply be a test.
But is it not true that “truly peaceful” Muslims wanting to be and remain peaceful need to bring about the cessation of the hostilities caused by the extremists?
With Colonization, the Islamic clergy was dismantled, almost wiped out and the expansion of the western thought into the Muslim world, the intelligent people of the regions are not becoming Muslim scholars, but engineers and doctors. Thus you are left with very ignorant scholars in the Muslim world. The few intelligent Muslim scholars, are working very hard to spread Traditional Sunni Islam, but they don’t have alot of funding.

The Salafi (Wahabi) brand of Islam was spread through the oil billions of Saudi Arabia. This gave birth to the expansion of Islamic extremism. Not to mention the west supported the many dictators of these Islamic countries, which in turned produced varies different splinter extremeist groups.

At anyrate, Traditional Sunni Islam is slowly trying to come back, but with it, it has alot of issues that it is trying to handle.
I guess what I am trying to say…is that today, I fear that there are people of the Muslim faith who lack any tangible understanding of the real Western mentality…
An ignorant man is a person to be feared to a certain extend, there must be more positive ways to educate them. I don’t have all the answers. There is an great ignroance on both sides.

With that being said, you are right, Muslims cannot soley blame the west for all their problems. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, who is an ex-Orthodox Christian, whose father was Catholic, who I believe is a very fair and just man, mentioned this. That the Muslim need to start looking at themselves I was listening to a lecture by him the other day, and Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said, that very bad actions, whether it is killing, stealing, raping, etc comes from a diseased heart. So Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is trying to educate the Muslims he has contact with, and it is alot in America, he is well respected, by producing books, and audio CD’s on purifying the heart.

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is well read and educated, a very inspirational speaking. To demonstrate how fair of a man he is, he was explaining commenting on the Christian belief of Trinity and he said, they actually believe in One God, it is just the trinity is a mystery for them. He is a fair and just man.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Silouan, Thank you for those comments. Its interesting to learn these things.

Peace!
 
Silouan wrote: I believe the oppression that the Muslims are enduring is because of the oppressions they caused others, I believe that is true for the church as well, historically speaking, when the Muslim oppressed the Orthodox Church in Greece, or the Muslim conquering Spain, etc etc. If you study history you will see it is because of an injusitce (oppression) that they caused cause someone else, or it may simply be a test.

Can you enlighten me as to where on this globe that the muslims are oppressed?

I don’t see anywhere that they haven’t caused their own ‘oppression’. And what we all need to recognize that their term for oppression is not the same as ours. Their term means that they are not allowed to take over the lands that they are lusting after, such as Israel. Or that they are not able to freely practice their religion as THEY see fit which means full implementation of sharia law even in the lands that they migrate to.

If you are going to say it is the Israeli/Pakistan (which includes hamas, hezbollah fully supported by saudi arabia, syria, iran, and muslims worldwide until we close down their muslim charities) then that is just the blind acceptance that their version of the problems are all the Jews fault, when it is not. what they want are for the jews to behave as proper dhimmi and accept their deaths, or convert or accept dhimmitude - again - after their original lands were stolen from the muslims originally. And many of their own were either killed or forced to convert, or accept dhimmitude.

middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=vf8-NFeYPr0
David Horowitz, the middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=dnIKRse86GU
 
*Muhammad: an assassination
(from Understanding Muhammad)

Today the world is shocked to learn that some Muslims feel that the only way to deal with the critics of Islam is to assassinate them. In 1989, Khomeini issued a fatwa (religious decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, because Rushdie had written a book, The Satanic Verses, that some believed insulted Islam. Some condemned Khomeini and accused him of being an extremist. Amazingly, many blamed Rushdie instead, for being “insensitive” to Muslims’ sensitivity. On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.*

mohammed allowed assination to deal with opposition:
faithfreedom.org/challenge/assassin.htm

As we have seen the murder of Theo Van Gogh for speaking out about islam, the threats against Hirsi Ali, Mr. Spencer, Mr. Savage, Geert Wilders, etc are some other examples.

As we are seeing there is a campaign to silence any discussion of mohammed. I posted this earlier, but it applies to this post:

feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/LgXO/~3/366241501/michigan-muslims-attack-freedom-of.html

An excerpt from the article:
*What most people don’t know is that assassination was Muhammad’s way of dealing with his opponents. Today’s Muslim assassins are merely following their prophet’s example.

Ka’b bin Ashraf was one of Muhammad’s victims. As Muslim historians have reported, he was young and handsome, a talented poet and a chief of the Banu Nadir, one of the Jewish tribes of Medina . After Muhammad banished the Banu Qainuqa’, another Jewish tribe of Medina , Ka’b became concerned about his own people’s security vis-à-vis the Muslims, so he visited Mecca to seek protection. He composed poems and praised the Meccans for their bravery and honor. When Muhammad heard about this, he went to the mosque, and after the prayer, said:

“Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allâh and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allâh’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka’b).” The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka’b and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat [alms]) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.”
*.
 
posted by (name removed by moderator), I think there are severe problems of integration here in Europe but I think this is due to poor education on both sides. I do not subscribe to Muslims taking over Europe theories despite the extreme problems.

Here are the documents found by intelligence agencies of the goals of the muslim brotherhood. And keep in mind that the goals of ‘taking over’ is not an overnight task. But, you can see how they do it if you study any of the countries that have been eventually taken over by muslims in the last century - Lebanon, many of the Southeast Asian countries - Indonesia, etc.

It is immigration that starts out peaceful, uncontrolled birthrates which is helped along by their practice of polygamy, demands, more immigration, violence starts at some point when the numbers of muslims reach a certain point, da’wa, infiltration, it seems they always have supporters as we have our lefties and others who chose ignorance of islam, the muslims live in groups and spread outward, sharia law starts to be practiced when they have enough of them, they start voting for fellow muslims to be in political office, and the cycle goes - and with the violence against others comes the claims of victimhood which are never what the muslims claim, but everyone seems to fall for.

with us it does include the same sort of game plan.

Here is information on the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘The Project’ - an article about how/when this information was found:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE}

Here is part two of the article which has “The Project”'s document in full:
frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4

Here is a video about the Muslim Brotherhood: youtube.com/watch?v=tx0lqVZOnHw&feature=related

And here is an article to show the tie between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student Association:
studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2598/the-muslim-students-association-and-the-jihad-network

There are a couple of books out on the subject too: ‘A Never Ending War’, and a new one that is out, ‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’.
 
Here, again you are clearly under the massive false propaganda of West.

Because what you have seen, read and “witnessed” about Islam or present Muslims, is not true picture of Islam nor true examples of how Muslims should be/should behave.

i tell you what there chica, i know****** what ive seen, heard, read, and experienced while - not being under the influence of the “great satan” of the “west” - and i will tell you that everything ive said in any of my posts is precisely because its a true picture of what islam is. so dont bark up this tree trying to tell me or anyone else that we are deceived by “western propaganda”. what i see in islam ive seen with the depths of my soul, i kid you not, and i KNOW what i’ve experienced is evil. its like the “occult”, which comes from the word “hidden” in latin. why do i say that? because there are many things in this world that are occult (like horoscopes, energy “healing”, psychics) and they all seem good and harmless or something to do for fun. in reality youre playing with the fire of hell, whether you realize it or not. not to mention all the experiences i’ve had with muslims, im telling you my conversion story:** before i became Catholic again, and i was still muslim, i was living like a muslim does, dressing like a muslim does (minus the head scarf), i was eating and drinking what muslims eat and drink, and i was praying as a muslim does. no matter how hard i tried, whenever i prayed as a muslim i felt wrong on the inside, warning bells going off in my head, like every time i bowed i was bowing to satan or something. it was like i could see him mocking me there before me. then once i finally broke because i couldnt take it any more, trying to be something i wasnt and trying to deny the only Truth that IS for so long, i finally called out to Christ because i could no longer deny Him. i couldnt believe God as being such an impersonable Being as the God muslims worship, i had had a very intimate and amazing relationship with the Trinity when i was younger. as i was crying, sobbing, and i got very terrified because in my minds eye i saw demons swirling around me (and mind you, ive read Saint’s experiences with demons and how they looked and it was accurate with what i saw), and then as i was still calling out to Christ, i also saw the Blessed Virgin standing over the hell that was writhing around me reaching down to pull me out. and since that day, i have never looked back on islam as anything good. i was a cradle Catholic growing up and i had a great devotion to Mary, and i am convinced she brought me back to the Truth of Her Son. i have never known a fight for my soul as i did before i called on that Name above all Names: Jesus Christ.
so tell me that i am denying the truth in islam. i will tell you i am denying NOTHING. i have never been more miserable in my life than when i was muslim. NEVER.
 
Here one more point you clearly seem to have either ignore or not thought of, is the Western attitude of getting rid of Christian Fundamentislm long time back has caused/turned the West into a secular society. As a result, the things West can proud of is due to it’s Anti-Bible and anti-Christian Fundamentalist Attitude /Approch.

So the credit of all the good acheivements /core good nature of present Western society goes to her Anti-Biblical and Secular nature.

Though this secular society now has gone too far (in free approach) and produced some but very harmfull side-effetcs, unkowingly which is eating and making the West hollow internally such as heavy usage of alcohal, the rise of gays, lesbians, drug-addictions, too much freedom of sexual activities openly…etc to name the few.
wow, so are you saying that the west is good because of its anti-Bible-ness?! how can you be anti-Bible AND anti-secular? thats a contradiction, unless i misunderstood.

dont you think that if the society in the West was more “Biblical” that there might be a lot more morality floating around! and might i add that the over-use of alcohol, gay/lesbian people (and theres a huge “closet” percentage for men and women who are muslim too! just because theyre not saying so out in public doesnt mean its not happening), drug addictions (opium from india, anybody :hypno:), and sexual activities are things that have been happening for millenia. (hmm, greek and roman orgies, baccus, the god of wine…pan, lesvos in greece, etc etc etc) its all been around and nothing is new to society. its not like the west founded all of these things, regardless of what the porn stars might want to think.

the good that does exist in the west are those morals that are upheld based on good Christian principles for the good of all peoples regarldess of if they were pink and purple with yellow polkadots and sang in gibberish while worshipping a worm. and the bad that is in western society is because the people tend to ignore or are ignorant of what is truly good and/or the right thing to do. they forget their moral values and try to impress that upon other people. its highly annoying, by the way.
 
A true Islamic Law governed state will never ever allow productions or sale of drugs such as Opium, Heroin and alcohal etc.

thats because the officials and high-whoevers are all going to use it or do something swift and rich with it before it gets on to the market! theyre the ones with total control, and not to mention all the laws that govern the men who are the officials…itll be a quiet and “justified” halal

lest we forget that islamic law is perfecto in everything it says…😛
 
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