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hamba2han
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Muslims believe that there is love that is good… and there is also love that is evil.
Likewise, Muslims believe that there is hatred that is evil… and there is also hatred that is good.
It appears that most Christians believe that all love is good and all hatred is evil.
If I am mistaken here, can Christians then explain what type of love would be considered evil… and what type of hatred can be considered to be good?
Do Christians believe that God is capable of hating?
Likewise, Muslims believe that there is hatred that is evil… and there is also hatred that is good.
It appears that most Christians believe that all love is good and all hatred is evil.
If I am mistaken here, can Christians then explain what type of love would be considered evil… and what type of hatred can be considered to be good?
Do Christians believe that God is capable of hating?
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cathopologist
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Yes. He “hates” false prophets, liars and murderers.
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hamba2han
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4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, … Exodus 20:4&5
"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." … Leviticus 26:1
Since it is so explicitly stated in the Second Commandment, do Christians believe that God is certainly capable of hating those of His creations who willingly choose to bow down to statues and graven images?
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Emmanuel111
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Continue with your Simple Life as GOD’s People.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Let your prayers destroy them!
GOD will end their time soon!
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Let your prayers destroy them!
GOD will end their time soon!
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"You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. ** Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat. You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel." - Exodus 25:18-22
The verse you quoted was meant for wayward Jews who bowed to images contrary to what God had intended for the faithful. God certainly did not forbid the use of images if it honored Him.
The Catholic Church teaches: “Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’” (CCC 2114). **
Muslims claim they follow the Old Testament’s teachings closely, but where in the Qu’ran does it cross-reference to what Exodus 25:18-22 says?
Why do Muslims bow to a black stone instead?
Muslims have a problem understanding the second commandment because they do not take Christ as God, the incarnate. God (Jesus) was already in the flesh, and people were already worshiping Him (John 9:38). Therefore, whenever a Catholic bows before the image of Christ, they are in fact venerating Christ in heart and soul. You can break the statue and it won’t mean a thing to Catholics because we do not pray to a stone.
You won’t understand Christ’s divinity because you doubt Him. Matthew 28:17 says that “when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.” Your doubtful nature makes you blind to the true God.
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inJesus, you are spreading ignorance about Islam. Please see:
Those of the people of the book who are enemies of Islam (Kafir) and the polytheists will be in hellfire, to dwell therein for a long time. They are the worst kind of people.**
The word Kaafir is there. Kaafir is not a simple peaceful non-believer. He/she is a violent hostile disbeliever.
So tell me why the Quran should not call them the worst creature if they are bent upon enmity of religion. They should be in hell. Same goes for the enemies of the christians. They will be kafir and will be in hellfire. You have miscarried the true meaning of the verse 98:6 of the Quran.
**Even though you have given the yousuf Ali translation but we have to correct it as follows:
Those of the people of the book who are enemies of Islam (Kafir) and the polytheists will be in hellfire, to dwell therein for a long time. They are the worst kind of people.**
The word Kaafir is there. Kaafir is not a simple peaceful non-believer. He/she is a violent hostile disbeliever.
So tell me why the Quran should not call them the worst creature if they are bent upon enmity of religion. They should be in hell. Same goes for the enemies of the christians. They will be kafir and will be in hellfire. You have miscarried the true meaning of the verse 98:6 of the Quran.
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It seems you have not heard about the abrogated passages. Those peaceful passages (not in any logical order for the Western minds) were abrogated, or replaced, by the violent passages. In other words, the newer passages (violent, Medina passages) were replaced by the older (more peaceful, Meccan passages).the parts that are consistent with Christian teachings and there are many. there are passages that show mercy, but the contradictions seem to keep piling up. what are the poor muslims to do when one verse says there is no compulsion and yet we have mohammed himself teaching it is acceptable to God to kill those that leave the religion?
i can see where a muslim scholar might call me ignorant, but what about iran and saudi arabi where the politics are based on the quran by scholars?
i do NOT hate muslims! however, i do hate some of the teachings of islam. who wouldn’t?
kill those that leave the faith
slavery is still OK
kill those that cheat
etc.
it is SO hard to say i love you, but hate what you believe in without starting some form mudslinging. i know that. however, i for one am very grateful that my eyes have been opened as to what islam teaches.
what more can i do? no muslim will respond to this hadith. maybe they will not because i called it vile, but yes, it is. …to kill a woman, a mother of two children (that one man has enslaved) because she was speaking out against mohammed is HORRIBLE!!! where is your outrage?
i can hardly maintain civility when i read such anti-semitic writings!!!
i have tried to keep this civil in hopes someone could explain this to me. no response only makes me assume this is truly what islam teaches.
marcus i am sorry you are saddened by all this. i know my tone can be obnoxious at times, but honestly i only get that way when i see such injustice. can you give me some sort of explanation that would explain the exact opposite of what mohammed meant when he said that there would be no punishment for KILLING A JEWISH SLAVE MOTHER OF TWO CHILDREN FOR TALKING ILL OF MOHAMMED???!!!
really, i have had it with the sugar coating. again, i do NOT hate muslims. they are human beings that God created and loves. they have good qualities and bad qualities just like anyone else on this planet. i love them and have begun to really pray for them every night, because as of a few months ago, i had no idea how twisted their philosophy was/is.
they really need our prayers.
About 1/3 of the koran is anti-semitic. And as for hating muslims - well, how can one trust one when deception is sanctioned?!
They do not follow the 10 commandments - one of the staples of the Bible, or even the three commandments that Jesus said which really encompasses the 10 commandments - love God, love your neighbor, love yourself.
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** inJesus you are again wrong about Muhammad. Muhammad went to preach to people of Taif, a hill station 86 kilometer away from Makkah. There the rascals told the young children to stone muhammad. He was stoned and bleeding and left the city. Blood was flowing into his shoes.
When he had gone some distance, an angel of God appointed on the mountains came to the prophet and said,if he wished the angel would crush the bad people within the two mountains.
But Muhammad replied, " No. I would not wish that. Rather I would pray for them and the same children will believe after some time."
That is what happened. The people of Taif became Muslims when Makkah was liberated of the pagans.
But inJesus, you always forget the curse of Jesus on the poor fig tree. That was bad. Was it not? And Jesus abused the wicked generation too much.That was not less than cursing the people.
The other friends should please also take note not to attack Muhammad with something that your Jesus is also guilty of.**
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All I know is that religion should be a path that takes us closer to God and unites us with Him and to understand Him better. Religion should take us away from behaving like animals and make us “humans”. I dont understand the fact that Islam preaches that it’s ok to attack someone (although some may claim Defend) if you are under threat. Even snakes do the same, step on them by mistake and they strike. So there wouldn’t be any difference between us “humans” and the snakes. My instincts would automatically allow me to attack (or defend) when under threat.That’s natural and I dont need a religion to teach me that. So what’s so great about that.
I find that Islam is a religion that is based more on human emotions and which is very easy to follow (especially for men). It gives more importance to a lot about laws and rules but it misses the whole point (being closer to God).
All I can say is, it’s easier to hate than love (not your own kind). How can you claim to love God and understand Him when you dont love your neighbour (again – not your own kind).
The “replies” posted by people who spoke for Islam were not very convincing. Although I must admit that they are doing a good job in not replying to the actual questions.
I’ve have always noticed a fact that there is always unrest and conflits where are Moslems are present. Cant blame you for that, thats what you’ve always been told.
At the time when the world is getting smaller and where there is a need for ALL people to work together to make this world a better place, we need a religion that preaches love and brotherhood and not a religion which spews venom on everyone who does not believe in its OUTDATED doctrines.
Christ is the ONLY way to Salvation.
I find that Islam is a religion that is based more on human emotions and which is very easy to follow (especially for men). It gives more importance to a lot about laws and rules but it misses the whole point (being closer to God).
All I can say is, it’s easier to hate than love (not your own kind). How can you claim to love God and understand Him when you dont love your neighbour (again – not your own kind).
The “replies” posted by people who spoke for Islam were not very convincing. Although I must admit that they are doing a good job in not replying to the actual questions.
I’ve have always noticed a fact that there is always unrest and conflits where are Moslems are present. Cant blame you for that, thats what you’ve always been told.
At the time when the world is getting smaller and where there is a need for ALL people to work together to make this world a better place, we need a religion that preaches love and brotherhood and not a religion which spews venom on everyone who does not believe in its OUTDATED doctrines.
Christ is the ONLY way to Salvation.
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KingAlfred
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Religion is deeply personal. There were ‘educated’ Communists and Nazis, too. Obviously, all the SS doctors who conducted diabolical ‘medical’ experiments on concentration camp victims were ‘educated’.Ok.
The people here talk a good game; but is Islam really all that BBAADD??
If Islam was as BAD as the people here say; why do educated people convert every day? Why are very educated people still muslims?
It cant be that they are all being lied to?
Surely they must see falseness in Christianity or the “church” that makes them choose Islam ?
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Emmanuel111
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Stop throwing stones at each other concetrate on your each own religion you don’t need to prove to each other who has a better or wrong. You both sides are disobeying the Ten Commandments
Thou shalt not use GOD’s name in vain. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not use GOD’s name in vain. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
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R_not
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I said that this is too easy for muslims to not acknowledge people like the one I mentioned.
That is because islam is scattered - and it is easy for muslims to keep on deceiving that their base teachings.
muslims carry the disease of islam. If they themselves do not believe in such things - it is easy enough for the disease of islam to come out in individuals. AND NOTHING IS DONE TO THOSE WHO DO COMMIT THOSE ATROCITIES in muslim societies - because sharia law doesn’t care what happens to infidels. And how can you trust any muslims when deception is sanctined in the koran.
If one says a that deception is indeed sanctioned - one muslim will say it is a ‘shia thing’, or the shia will say it is a ‘sunni thing’. It is all so convenient. Oh, this muslim hates Jews and that one does not - the BASE TEACHINGS ARE HATE, DEATH AND CHAOS - there is not stop to it, no muslim that will tell another muslim, ‘tsk tsk, that is not what you are taught - you are taught to love your neighbor’ BECAUSE IT DOESN’T EXIST IN ISLAM!
Sorry, but many things in sharia law are not im the koran either, but muslims practice it as if they were.
One muslim will say that the peaceful passages are practiced, while another says it is not. and then those peaceful passages are all forgotten in cases and countries where the muslims are gaining in numbers and the violence starts (read my signature). All those peaceful passages are forgotten - or no muslim with power to reach the others that believes in them steps forward. NOT ONE!
I don’t find anything beautiful in islam. In fact, before 9/11 I could have lived until I died alongside muslims - but now, after their continual attacks, their stated goals of domination, after reading their koran and many of their hadiths, learning about their prophet, and the atrocities that are committed in the name of islam WITH NO MUSLIM RIOTING over that while they will indeed riot, kill old nuns, and destroy over a cartoon and celebrate over the death of innocents - I find islam a vile fascism, with goals of imperialism, domination, and death or subjugation of anyone who does not agree with them (well, that is what fascism is!).
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hamba2han
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We don’t, kindly refer to this post.
Why do Christians NEED to even have statues and images in their places of worship??
Can’t you love and worship the Lord without any statues??.. Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples certainly did NOT need any statues and graven images whatsoever when they were worshipping the Lord.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/ peace;
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "
1,252,595"
justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
I did not mean soldiers , I meant innocent civilians .
Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "
1,252,595"
justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
How ???
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