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Angelos
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Mohammad’s was a deliberate mistake
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dolphinlove
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Now come on Angelos, i think he was the biggest mistake in history…Mohammad’s was a deliberate mistake
Look at the chaos he has caused!
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inJESUS
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Good post Silouan.
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Angelos
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The Church is always alive to represent the truth, this is why I am not worried by that biggest mistake in historyNow come on Angelos, i think he was the biggest mistake in history…
Look at the chaos he has caused!
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planten
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**Muhammad praised every prophet of God. Muhamamd is a seal for all the prophets. Christians do not have any guidance from Jesus as to who is a prophet and who is not. So they have made a list of their own about the prophets.
I have learnt that Jesus had said that all who came before him were fraud (Buttmaar). That was his remark about the prophets who came before him. Is that justified for Jesus to say such a bad thing about earlier prophets??**
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Angelos
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Mohammad only pretended to be praising the other prophets because he needed witnesses to authorise his man-made ideology named Islam.
We Christians are being guided by Jesus and Spirit, so please stop worrying about us.
Whoever has taught you that is either a liar or ignorant of the NT. Jesus never regarded the prophets before Him as fraud. I am afraid you are once more clinging to false presumptions and slandering Jesus.
Your Koran considers Issa an IDOL and promises that prophet Issa will be burnt in Hell! Look and see how your scripture degrades one of its supposed messengers!
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KenEOTE
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Where in the NT did Jesus ever say that? I have read the entire Bible many times and do not know what you are refering to.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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I think you need a lesson in prophecy.
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aaronjo
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For Jews, Jesus was not a prophet and he did not fulfill the Messianoc prophecies.
To be a Messiah, he should gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel, build the Third Temple , bring peace, end oppression, spread wide knowledge of the G_d of Israel etc. Which one of these Jesus fulfilled? NONE. Then why talk BAD about other religion or religions when Christians themseleves are guilty of preaching fraud and misconception which is BAD in other peoples eye?
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dzheremi
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Because we believe Jesus IS the messiah. That’s why we’re Christians, not Jews or Muslims or something else. I don’t think anyone here is saying that Jews, Muslims, Baha’i or anyone else can’t make their own claims, but to call Jesus a “fraud”, on a Catholic website of all places, is pretty slanderous. Remember: Before they were “Christian” ideas, they were Christ’s own teachings and deeds. They don’t come from the “misconceptions” of the Christians, but from Christ Himself.
This is not a relative concept. Jesus Christ did not say “I and the Father are One, unless people disagree.” What other people see as bad or disagreeable is not what we are guided by.
This is not a relative concept. Jesus Christ did not say “I and the Father are One, unless people disagree.” What other people see as bad or disagreeable is not what we are guided by.
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Angelos
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Jesus did not NEED to fulfill those supposed prophecies to be the Messiah. You can never teach God or His Messiah what to do! This is arrogance and blasphemy.
You are free to deny that Jesus is the Messiah. Where is your alternative “true” Messiah? I cannot see him.
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inJESUS
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if he is supposed to bring eternal peace, and maybe change the ideologies of Muslims sitting on the temple, i personally cannot see him in the future either unless he is able to change muslims’ hearts and minds…in other words, God.
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Silouan
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Actually we do have guidance from Jesus as to who is not.
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
Our Lord Jesus Christ said, “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (15) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (16)(Matthew 7:15-16)
Our Lord Jesus Christ also said, “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 10 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 11 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.” 12 (Matthew 24:10-12)
Our Lord Jesus Christ also said, ** “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. (23) For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. (24) See, I have told you beforehand. (25)(**Matthew 24:23-25)
Our Lord Jesus Christ informed us about who is not. He even said, See, I have told you beforehand. Our Lord has been generous to us.
In Christ,
Silouan
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dolphinlove
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Excellent post. God is truly with you in your responses.
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rikkk1958
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I think it is very obvious that Planten will always antagonize due to his obligation to someone who sent him in this forum. Can’t you feel and see how dumb and unreasonable his posts are? He shut his eyes and mind to the truth and this is not because he follows Muhammed by heart but by his obligations to the ones who sent him. This is for me a surrender of those who are in the higher echelons of Islam because they can not in no means by reasonable facts will they be able to defend muhammed and his teachings.
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aaronjo
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If David Koresh says “I and the Father are one”, then will you accept him as a G_d? He too gave up his life for his cause or belief.
What your NT says to you is a proof for people like you who believe in NT, not for me. For me you NT is a just book of unreliable history - it is more unreliable than most books of history written in our period by well-known historians.
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aaronjo
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Whenever he ( the true Messiah) has to come, will come. It is G-d’s plan.
He doesn’t have to come simply b’cause you have produced a fake one.
Even if his coming takes another one or two or three thousand years, it doesn’t make your Messiah a genuine one.
When your Messiah did not fulfill any criteria to satisfy any sane Jew then why should I believe in him?
In the absence of any proof from Holy Torah for your “Messiah”, the only option for Church remains is to put a gun on Jews head and force him either to submit to Chruch or die. This is what excatly Church did in the past to the Jews…and guess what Jews did? they rather preferred to die or somehow escaped and learned to live even with the Moslems than to submit to a Fully-Man-Full-god idea of a non-existant G_d.
Though I disagree with Moslems on many issues, but in the past Jews had very good time with them. They atleast did not force us to change our faith to Islamic religion. Did they?
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dzheremi
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No. Where are his miracles? Did he heal the blind? Was he victorious over death? No, just because someone claims to be God or a God does not make it so. I will not follow any man claiming to be God. We are warned in our scripture of the many who will come after Jesus who will claim this or that. We do not follow such people.
So what? Many can be seen who have done the same (martyrs, soldiers, protesters, etc. all manner of people who are NOT God!). This is a vast oversimplification of the matter.
That’s fine. I am not asking you to believe what I believe. You are a Jew, after all, not a Christian. Similarly, your claims as to why Jesus is not God or why Christians are wrong or evil may be incumbent upon you as Jew, but I don’t have to believe any of them (in fact, I can’t be a Christian and believe these things you say). So you and I are in the same position, looking at this issue from opposite sides. To me, the Catholic view is correct, and to you the Judaic view is correct. It seems like we should be able then to peacefully end this conversation.
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