Islam is BAD!!!

[dzheremi]

inJESUS;4122816:

There always will be some insane people among all communities.
If such insane people have accepted your ‘demi-god’ as Messiah then may G_d of Islrael have mercy on their souls and **punish those Christians who forced those Jews to commit a sin **

by going against the Holy Torah 's undisputable view of ONE G_D.

What are you talking about? The people who inJESUS was refering to were the first believers in Christ. Where would these other Christians have come from who would have “forced” those Jews to commit sins by…gosh, believing in what they had personally witnessed.

Not to mention that the early Christian community was not in a position to force anyone to do or believe in anything. They were generally too busy being imprisoned, exiled, martyred, etc.

 

[aaronjo]

wait until they fulfill Muhammad’s words of killing all Jews at the ends of days, or read how Muhammad massacred jews by "divine order

If Moslems have followed what you are saying, you would not have found a single Jew anywhere in the world today, as they (moslems) had conquered a great part of the world and ruled for many centuries.

On the contrary, a great majority of Jews today is due to the Moslems’ protection from Barbaric Christians and bloody Church. Thanks G_d that Church lost it’s power. And states are seperated from religion (Christianity). Even Christians are relieved form Chruch’s cruelty and burden.

It is a fact, and I must admit that the golden era of Jews thus far after your “god” was apparently “killed”, was the golden age of Moslems of Spain.

 

[aaronjo]

aaronjo;4123403:

Not to mention that the early Christian community was not in a position to force anyone to do or believe in anything. They were generally too busy being imprisoned, exiled, martyred, etc.

I leave this upto G_d of Israel. Obviously He knows who is guilty of what and what not.

If you think your “three-in-one-[non-existant ] god” did not teach Trinity to his fellow Jews then he is not guilty and the REAL G_D of Israel will not put your “three-in-one-[non-existant ] god” into Hell. Will He?

 

[inJESUS]

huh? i am talking about the witnesses to Jesus life and death and resurrection.

Your understanding and interpretations of my Holy Torah is NONSENSE.

i have the interpretations of some Jews , and the interpretations of other Jews who witnessed life, crucifixionJ, and resurrection of a man claiming to be the Messiah…i’d believe the testimony of life and death and resurrection over how some interpret things, not agreeing many times…

In the words of Moses Nachmanides who once said in a debate, "for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man.

… it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this." with all due respect to Nachmanides, we are talking about the Logos, not the Father.

 

[inJESUS]

If Moslems have followed what you are saying, you would not have found a single Jew anywhere in the world today, as they (moslems) had conquered a great part of the world and ruled for many centuries.

whether you like it or not, that teaching IS Islamic…the “when” depends of Muslims…the Shia are working on it…ever heard what they speak about wiping Israel?

On the contrary, a great majority of Jews today is due to the Moslems’ protection from Barbaric Christians and bloody Church.

 

[dzheremi]

If Moslems have followed what you are saying, you would not have found a single Jew anywhere in the world today, as they (moslems) had conquered a great part of the world.

But isn’t that what inJESUS is saying, that the Muslims have yet to fulfill this command? Why would there be groups like Justice for Jews from Arab Countries if Muslim-Jewish relations were as rosy as you seem to want to make us believe? I doubt anyone here would try to say that the treatment was all bad, in some cases it was in fact better than under the Christians (as was the case for Visigothic Spain vs. Al-Andalus, according to all the accounts I have read), but that does not change the fact of what Muhammad taught his followers.

On the contrary, a great majority of Jews today is due to the Moslems’ protection from Barbaric Christians and bloody Church. Thanks G_d that Church lost it’s power. And states are seperated from religion (Christianity). Even Christians are relieved form Chruch’s cruelty and burden.

Well, feel free to hug a Muslim today, since you’re apparently best buddies. Hey, maybe Hizbullah will even “hug” you back on one of their martyrdom operations, since y’know, love is all around…

As to the rest of it, yes, I too am glad that I do not live in a theocracy, be it Christian or otherwise. I personally feel that the insertion of overt religion into the halls of justice does nothing but degrade religion and pervert justice, but then you’re making this argument to the wrong people. How are jews treated in the REAL theocracies, the Islamic states? Why don’t you ask the ONE jew left in Afghanistan, or the Jews of Iran, who exist at the government’s mercy as they are anti-zionist (to be trotted out as an example of government “tolerance”; yeah, right!), but are officially descriminated against in government, employment, and the press.

Itis a fact, and Imust admit that the golden era of Jews thus far after your “Messiah” was apparently “killed”, was the golden age of Moslems of Spain.

As I said above, I don’t believe that anyone here would argue that this period was a period of greater tolerance towards the Jews than previous (or certainly later) periods. It is also worth noting that some 50,000 Jews exist in Spain TODAY (Arghhhh! Those evil Christians!), as well as over a MILLION Muslims! (See? See how evil the Christians are?!)

If you can commend the Muslims for their tolerance of Jews that mostly DOES NOT exist today, why can’t you do the same for the Christians whose tolerance of Jews mostly DOES exist today?

 

[narrowpath]

Tell me arronjo, if the Messiah isn’t God , then why does the Propheet Isaiah call Him "wonderful, councilor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, and Prince of Peace"?

Look in Isaiah 9:6-7.

 

[Pro_Domina]

The worst error of the Crusades is to have not finshed them.

 

[Angelos]

Whenever he ( the true Messiah) has to come, will come. It is G-d’s plan.

He doesn’t have to come simply b’cause you have produced a fake one.

Even if his coming takes another one or two or three thousand years, it doesn’t make your Messiah a genuine one.

Your expectation of an alternative Messiah, which I personally consider a waste of time, does not make Jesus a false Messiah either.

When your Messiah did not fulfill any criteria to satisfy any sane Jew then why should I believe in him?

You forget that many Jews in the past believed in Jesus simply because they dissented from you about the fulfillment of certain prophecies in the Torah.

I can also prophecy right now that you will badmouth all those Jews of the first century and declare them insane because of their belief in Jesus.

In the absence of any proof from Holy Torah for your “Messiah”, the only option for Church remains is to put a gun on Jews head and force him either to submit to Chruch or die. This is what excatly Church did in the past to the Jews…and guess what Jews did? they rather preferred to die or somehow escaped and learned to live even with the Moslems than to submit to a Fully-Man-Full-god idea of a non-existant G_d.

Hmm, a quick leap from theology to politics now.

I also know many Christians of Jewish origin, who were tortured and murdered (martyred) by their Jewish brethren because of their faith in Jesus as the true Messiah.

Though I disagree with Moslems on many issues, but in the past Jews had very good time with them. They atleast did not force us to change our faith to Islamic religion. Did they?

I should friendly remind you that Muslims consider Jesus (Issa) the only Messiah and endorse many Christian tenets including the miraculous conception.

Most of the anti-Jewish verses and arguments in the Koran surprisingly emerge from the Jewish disbelief in Issa. Even the denial of Jesus’ passion is associated with God’s plans to fool and punish Jews in the Islamic scripture.

Besides, the Koran always prefers Christians over Jews when the members of these two religions are compared. Good luck to you with Muslims

Shalom.

 

[Pro_Domina]

I forget which historian points out that Islam is an invention of the Jews in order to have a force to fight the Christians.

I am inclined to believe.

What evil hasn’t come from them recently?

I mean if look at things closely, the Jewish religion has always been messed up.

Our Lord came when everything was about to go down the drain.

Now the Jews being the chosen people, they have natural abilities that no other nation has.

They have conquered the world with them giving a pint of blood.
Experts in creating enemies of the Church.

And for about 500 years, from within the Church.

 

[Angelos]

inJESUS;4122816:

There always will be some insane people among all communities.
If such insane people have accepted your ‘demi-god’ as Messiah then may G_d of Islrael have mercy on their souls and punish those Christians who forced those Jews to commit a sin by going against the Holy Torah 's undisputable view of ONE G_D.

Your understanding and interpretations of my Holy Torah is NONSENSE.

In the words of Moses Nachmanides who once said in a debate, "for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man.

… it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this."

No Jew can tolerate the idea that Jews tortured and murdered their God in flesh. They are still afraid of the truth.

 

[Angelos]

If Moslems have followed what you are saying, you would not have found a single Jew anywhere in the world today, as they (moslems) had conquered a great part of the world and ruled for many centuries.

On the contrary, a great majority of Jews today is due to the Moslems’ protection from Barbaric Christians and bloody Church. Thanks G_d that Church lost it’s power. And states are seperated from religion (Christianity). Even Christians are relieved form Chruch’s cruelty and burden.

It is a fact, and I must admit that the golden era of Jews thus far after your “god” was apparently “killed”, was the golden age of Moslems of Spain.

I hope to see you alive when the Islamic Pharaoh of modern times decides to carry out his plans for effacing Israel and Jews from the face of the earth.

You do not live in Iran, do you?

 

[inJESUS]

I forget which historian points out that Islam is an invention of the Jews in order to have a force to fight the Christians…

neither orthodox Jews nor orthodox Christians are responsible. It was Jewish-Christian heretics, (Gnostic Ebionites) , rejected by both orthodox Jews and Christians, resident in Arabia, who created what later Waraqa and Muhammad developed into a new religion…the Quranic depiction of the crucifixion is not Gnostic for no reason

 

[Pro_Domina]

neither orthodox Jews nor orthodox Christians are responsible. It was Jewish-Christian heretics, (Gnostic Ebionites) , rejected by both orthodox Jews and Christians, resident in Arabia, who created what later Waraqa and Muhammad developed into a new religion…the Quranic depiction of the crucifixion is not Gnostic for no reason

Nothing bad ever happens with the good who allow the bad to do so.

Certainly Christians participated, but the brains were without a doubt jews.

 

[aaronjo]

Well, feel free to hug a Muslim today, since you’re apparently best buddies.

Well, for your information, Jews and Moslems already began to walk togther in multitude, by the way.

see Philadelphia Jews and Muslims Walk for Peace

And why Jews shouldn’t walk or live together, afterall they never had any real threat from moslems.

From religious standpoint there is no clash between Arabs and Jews.

But between Christians ( particularly Catholics) and Jews there always will be a religious clash because Christians have been twisting our Holy Torah to justify their own non-Jewish un-Holy ideas which are not acceptable to any sane Jew.

 

[inJESUS]

Nothing bad ever happens with the good who allow the bad to do so.

the Church fathers condemned heresies…st. John of Damascus calls Islam a heresy…we can do nothing to heretics be it Muslims or Mormons or whoever…after all, the gates of hell will try, and Jesus warns against false prophets, let those who have ears listen and those who do not can follow Muhammad, Smith, Bahaullah ecc

Certainly Christians participated, but the brains were without a doubt jews.

 

[Angelos]

Well, for your information, Jews and Moslems already began to walk togther in multitude, by the way.

see Philadelphia Jews and Muslims Walk for Peace

And why Jews shouldn’t walk or live together, afterall they never had any real threat from moslems.

From religious standpoint there is no clash between Arabs and Jews.

But between Christians ( particularly Catholics) and Jews there always will be a religious clash because Christians have been twisting our Holy Torah to justify their own non-Jewish un-Holy ideas which are not acceptable to any sane Jew.

It is apparent that you have never have found time or opportunity to read the Koran. I would suggest reading Surah 2 in the first place. You must know what Muslims believe about Abraham, Moses, and Jesus before having a totally peaceful and safe walk with them.

 

[inJESUS]

And why Jews shouldn’t walk or live together, afterall they never had any real threat from moslems.

From religious standpoint there is no clash between Arabs and Jews.
.

is that answer supposed to be coming from a sane Jew?

A Muslim imam, calling on Allah to “annihilate the Jews and their supporters,” envisioned a day when all the lands of the earth will be “owned by the Muslim nation,” in his Friday sermon last week, broadcast live on Palestinian Authority television.

Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi’s sermon at the Sheikh 'Ijlin Mosque in Gaza City was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, an independent group based in Washington, D.C.

Madhi said:

“Oh, beloved of Allah. [In the Friday sermon] two weeks ago, I bore in your name a blessing of love to the crowns upon our heads, [that is] to the Arab and Muslim rulers. Among other things, I said: ‘Oh crowns upon our heads: If Sharon spat in your faces, what would you do?’ Today I apologize for these words, because Sharon has not only spat on the heads of the nation, but also trampled us underfoot.”

“We are convinced of the [future] victory of Allah; we believe that one of these days, we will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, enter Jaffa as conquerors, enter Haifa as conquerors, enter Ramle and Lod as conquerors, the [villages of] Hirbiya and Dir Jerjis and all of Palestine as conquerors, as Allah has decree… ‘They will enter Al-Aqsa Mosque as they have entered it the first time. …’”

“Anyone who does not attain martyrdom in these days should wake in the middle of the night and say: ‘My God, why have you deprived me of martyrdom for your sake? For the martyr lives next to Allah’. …”

“Our enemies suffer now more than we do. Why? Because we are convinced that our dead go to paradise, while the dead of the Jews go to hell, to a cruel fate. So we stand firm and steadfast, in obedience to Allah. …”

“The Jews await the false Jewish messiah, while we await, with Allah’s help … the Mahdi and Jesus, peace be upon him. Jesus’s pure hands will murder the false Jewish messiah. Where? In the city of Lod, in Palestine. Palestine will be, as it was in the past, a graveyard for the invaders – just as it was a graveyard for the Tatars and to the Crusader invaders, [and for the invaders] of the old and new colonialism. …”

“A reliable Hadith [tradition] says: ‘The Jews will fight you, but you will be set to rule over them.’ What could be more beautiful than this tradition? ‘The Jews will fight you’ – that is, the Jews have begun to fight us. ‘You will be set to rule over them’ – Who will set the Muslim to rule over the Jew? Allah … . Until the Jew hides behind the rock and the tree.”

“But the rock and tree will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, a Jew hides behind me, come and kill him.’ Except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.”

“We believe in this Hadith. We are convinced also that this Hadith heralds the spread of Islam and its rule over all the land. …”

Find me such teaching in the NT and come back.

 

[inJESUS]

The imam (Dr. Abd-al-Rahman al-Sudays) says: “O brethren in faith, what does our Koran and the traditions of our prophet, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him, affirm? What does our creed say? What does our history say about the cause of Jerusalem and its vicinity? **They all clearly affirm that the conflict between us and the Jews is one of creed, identity, and existence.” **
“Read history,” he adds, “to know that yesterday’s Jews were bad predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They are killers of prophets and the scum of the earth. God hurled his curses and indignation on them and made them monkeys and pigs and worshippers of tyrants. These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, evil, and corruption. They sow corruption on earth.”

you must pray harder for your version of the Messiah to come and change the creeds of Muslims…pray he IS God otherwise Muslims will keep fighting you…

 

[aaronjo]

I should friendly remind you that Muslims consider Jesus (Issa) the only Messiah and endorse many Christian tenets including the miraculous conception.

Certainly, as I said before there are things which I disagree with moslem views and what they beleive from their own thinking.

But Islamic Holy Book does not consider your Messiah as G_d which is a great thing and it is ofcourse much better than Christians’ senseless ideas.

Moslems are very strict monotheist whereas you Christains are basically polytheist who worship three-in-one idea of god and bow to a naked human body of your god and a Jewess young virgin girl.

You basically mock your own god by taking off his cloth from his body by merely keeing a cloth over his private parts and reminding yourself and your innocent young minds every week about how mercilessly he was killed by a bunch of Jews.

god was killed by a bunch of Jews? Guess how innocent minds would take this and imagine about his ABSOLUTNESS and ULTIMATE POWER?

If I have to buy your line of argument about the Trinune nature of your “god” then polytheists of India(Hindus) are better than you, as their Bagwan (Hindu god) can appear in millions of forms-shapes whereas yours is just three…a very limited god.