Islam is BAD!!!

[inJESUS]

Moslems are very strict monotheist whereas you Christains are basically polytheist who worship three-in-one idea of god and bow to a naked human body of your god and a Jewess young virgin girl.

 

[aaronjo]

is that answer supposed to be coming from a sane Jew?

A Muslim imam, calling on Allah to “annihilate the Jews and their supporters,” envisioned a day when all the lands of the earth will be “owned by the Muslim nation,” in his Friday sermon last week, broadcast live on Palestinian Authority television.

Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi’s sermon at the Sheikh 'Ijlin Mosque in Gaza City was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, an independent group based in Washington, D.C.

Madhi said:

“Oh, beloved of Allah. [In the Friday sermon] two weeks ago, I bore in your name a blessing of love to the crowns upon our heads, [that is] to the Arab and Muslim rulers. Among other things, I said: ‘Oh crowns upon our heads: If Sharon spat in your faces, what would you do?’ Today I apologize for these words, because Sharon has not only spat on the heads of the nation, but also trampled us underfoot.”

“We are convinced of the [future] victory of Allah; we believe that one of these days, we will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, enter Jaffa as conquerors, enter Haifa as conquerors, enter Ramle and Lod as conquerors, the [villages of] Hirbiya and Dir Jerjis and all of Palestine as conquerors, as Allah has decree… ‘They will enter Al-Aqsa Mosque as they have entered it the first time. …’”

“Anyone who does not attain martyrdom in these days should wake in the middle of the night and say: ‘My God, why have you deprived me of martyrdom for your sake? For the martyr lives next to Allah’. …”

“Our enemies suffer now more than we do. Why? Because we are convinced that our dead go to paradise, while the dead of the Jews go to hell, to a cruel fate. So we stand firm and steadfast, in obedience to Allah. …”

“The Jews await the false Jewish messiah, while we await, with Allah’s help … the Mahdi and Jesus, peace be upon him. Jesus’s pure hands will murder the false Jewish messiah. Where? In the city of Lod, in Palestine. Palestine will be, as it was in the past, a graveyard for the invaders – just as it was a graveyard for the Tatars and to the Crusader invaders, [and for the invaders] of the old and new colonialism. …”

“A reliable Hadith [tradition] says: ‘The Jews will fight you, but you will be set to rule over them.’ What could be more beautiful than this tradition? ‘The Jews will fight you’ – that is, the Jews have begun to fight us. ‘You will be set to rule over them’ – Who will set the Muslim to rule over the Jew? Allah … . Until the Jew hides behind the rock and the tree.”

“But the rock and tree will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, a Jew hides behind me, come and kill him.’ Except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.”

“We believe in this Hadith. We are convinced also that this Hadith heralds the spread of Islam and its rule over all the land. …”

Find me such teaching in the NT and come back.

You are certainly an insane person who is mocking Moslems faith and their beliefs. Because you forget the context and what they really mean when they utter the word Jews. Are they talking about all jews…good and bad together? No. The Jews they talking about is not any other Jew. it is about those cruel ones who go against the Holy Torah and those who disrespect islamic Holy Books or fight a unjustly.

Are you not aware of the fact that Moslem men are allowed to marry Jewish women? They consider Jews among the people the Book. The core belief and dietry laws are pretty much same in Judaism and islamic religion.

You, just like your fathers, are twisting the meaning of Moslem Sacred books. Surprisngly you and your fellow Christians are twising your own Gospels…duh …now what better someone can expect from people like you other than forced conversion with a gun on his head.

 

[inJESUS]

You are certainly an insane person who is mocking Moslems faith and their beliefs. Because you forget the context and what they really mean when they utter the word Jews. Are they talking about all jews…good and bad together? No. The Jews they talking about is not any other Jew. it is about those cruel ones who go against the Holy Torah and those who disrespect islamic Holy Books or fight a unjustly.

am not mocking the Muslim faith since what i quoted are the words of an Imam and you seem to be a Muslim, not a Jew because you are defending the people who put their own rules to kill you against people who have no divine orders to kill you…when Muslims start annihilating you , kindly ask them to spare your innocent women to be their sex slaves…

Are you not aware of the fact that Moslem men are allowed to marry Jewish women? They consider Jews among the people the Book. The core belief and dietry laws are pretty much same in Judaism and islamic religion.

 

[Angelos]

Certainly, as I said before there are things which I disagree with moslem views and what they beleive from their own thinking.

But Islamic Holy Book does not consider your Messiah as G_d which is a great thing and it is ofcourse much better than Christians’ senseless ideas.

The Koran refutes the Trinitarian belief because it does not grasp what it means very much like you Jews.

The way you approach the Trinitarian tenet makes no sense to us Christians.

Moslems are very strict monotheist whereas you Christains are basically polytheist who worship three-in-one idea of god and bow to a naked human body of your god and a Jewess young virgin girl.

Your argument is not a strong one because you are saying what you were taught by some people or heard from others about Muslims. The notion of monotheism in Islam is by no means the same as in Judaism.

According to the Koran, Jews are polytheists because they call Esdra the Son of God and worship their rabbis. The so-called strict monotheism in Islam is confined to Mohammad’s followers alone. LOL

You basically mock your own god by taking off his cloth from his body by merely keeing a cloth over his private parts and reminding yourself and your innocent young minds every week about how mercilessly he was killed by a bunch of Jews.

god was killed by a bunch of Jews? Guess how innocent minds would take this and imagine about his ABSOLUTNESS and ULTIMATE POWER?

Now you are finally confessing which Christian tenet bothers you the most.

ABSOLUTENESS and ULTIMATE POWER is not only associated with God’s sitting on a throne in the sky and sending His flashes of lightning to kill the sinners. It is also associated with God’s opening His arms on a cross to forgive and save sinners. This is the ABSOLUTENESS and ULTIMATE POWER of GRACE.

The possibility of Incarnation was prefigured in the Torah through God’s theophany on various occasions. The omnipotent God chose to talk to His human servants directly when the appointed time came.

If I have to buy your line of argument about the Trinune nature of your “god” then polytheists of India(Hindus) are better than you, as their Bagwan (Hindu god) can appear in millions of forms-shapes whereas yours is just three…a very limited god.

This is a ridiculous statement that but reveals your ignorance of the Christian Trinitarian doctrine.

You are a very limited Jew in theological debates.

 

[Angelos]

am not mocking the Muslim faith since what i quoted are the words of an Imam and you seem to be a Muslim, not a Jew because you are defending the people who put their own rules to kill you against people who have no divine orders to kill you…when Muslims start annihilating you , kindly ask them to spare your innocent women to be their sex slaves…

yea but a muslima cannot marry a Jew…he suddenly is no longer a people of the book…

Dear aaronjo’s latest post has suddenly made me think of the possibility that he be Raul aka happyday aka harrypot

 

[aaronjo]

Muslims believe the Quran is the eternal and uncreated word of Allah. Is that monotheism to you?

 

[Angelos]

You are certainly an insane person who is mocking Moslems faith and their beliefs. Because you forget the context and what they really mean when they utter the word Jews. Are they talking about all jews…good and bad together? No. The Jews they talking about is not any other Jew. it is about those cruel ones who go against the Holy Torah and those who disrespect islamic Holy Books or fight a unjustly.

Are you not aware of the fact that Moslem men are allowed to marry Jewish women? They consider Jews among the people the Book. The core belief and dietry laws are pretty much same in Judaism and islamic religion.

You, just like your fathers, are twisting the meaning of Moslem Sacred books. Surprisngly you and your fellow Christians are twising your own Gospels…duh …now what better someone can expect from people like you other than forced conversion with a gun on his head.

You must be insane to twist the meaning of the Hadiths quoted by inJESUS to suppose that the word Jew in those citations refers to “bad” Jews only.

It is clearly stated in the Hadith that Muslims will kill the Jews that await a false Messiah. Since you deny that Jesus is the true Messiah and expect an alternative Messiah, you automatically become of one those Jews the Hadith takes an oath to punish on the day of judgment. Thus, all Jews are considered evil in Islam since they wait another Messiah than Jesus.

 

[inJESUS]

Dear aaronjo’s latest post has suddenly made me think of the possibility that he be Raul aka happyday aka harrypot

i never bought he is Jew…very little knowledge of Judaism and Christianity was shown by Muslims on this forum, not Jews…worse yet, a “Jew” defending a faith based on a man who massacred Jews and gave divine orders to keep fighting and killing them till the end of days is “offended” by Jesus’ death. Someone will be banned soon for popping up every now and then with a different nickname.

 

[Angelos]

Jews too beleive Holy Torah is Word of G_d. If Moslems too beleive same thing about their Sacred Book then what is so amazing in it? It is not a news for us.

Aah…but most certainly your NT is not the Word of G_d. It is a book of books written by different people who contradict each other. Thats why it is a strange thng to you when you hear Moslems or Jews consider their Scared Book as the Word of G_d.

A true moslem beleiver in his Holy Scared Books will never treat bad with any inocent Jew or any innocent person of any faith.

What you may now be posting to discredit Moslems, will be passages taken out of context from the Scared Books of Islamic religion.

If Jews or polytheists were to be wiped out by Moslems (from Islamic religious standpoint) then you would not have found a single Jew in the world today nor a Hindu in India where Moslems had been in power for centuries.

You are definitely not a Jew, but a Muslim pretending to be Jewish for the reasons known to you.

I am positive you believe that the Torah is a false copy of the original Torah supposedly dictated to Moses by Allah with the news of Mohammad’s advent. Muslims consider your Torah an unreliable book that lost its authenticity after Moses’ death due to deliberate textual corruption by Jewish rabbis. LOL

I shall not buy that pretense, dear Raul. Thanks.

 

[inJESUS]

Muslims believe that Allah is eternal and uncreated and that the Quran is the eternal and uncreated word of Allah. Is this monotheism yes or no?

 

[dzheremi]

Are you not aware of the fact that Moslem men are allowed to marry Jewish women? They consider Jews among the people the Book. The core belief and dietry laws are pretty much same in Judaism and islamic religion.

Christians are also considered ahl al-kitab, so what’s your point? We can’t marry Muslims by this law, just as you also cannot. Only they can marry OUR women (and yours) as a means of bolstering their numbers since any children born of such a marriage are automatically Muslims. I think this status might also give some us, like you, a false sense of security. My answer to being a “person of the book” is that it means NOTHING good or valuable, since the Muslims don’t actually respect the beliefs we hold as spelled out in our book. They say it is corrupt and heap abuse upon it whenever possible to prove the primacy of their religion, and then turn around and insert dreamed-up references to Muhammad whenever they want us to feel “brotherly” towards them. It’s not going to work. Not while they oppress the Copts, wage jihad against the Tewaheedo, and do all they can to undermine even secular historically Christian countries.

Show that you respect my book and its people, firstly. Then we can have this “common word” you so implore us to have.

Frankly, I’m suprised you don’t feel similarly as a Jew. The Qur’an speaks very poorly of the Jews as well.

 

[aaronjo]

You must be insane to twist the meaning of the Hadiths quoted by inJESUS to suppose that the word Jew in those citations refers to “bad” Jews only.

It is clearly stated in the Hadith that Muslims will kill the Jews that await a false Messiah. Since you deny that Jesus is the true Messiah and expect an alternative Messiah, you automatically become of one those Jews the Hadith takes an oath to punish on the day of judgment. Thus, all Jews are considered evil in Islam since they wait another Messiah than Jesus.

Again you are twisting views of both religions. When the True Messiah comes everything will be clear. He will judge according to what is RIGHT. Wait until He comes. Why worry now?

Jews have been living in Medina when Prophet was alive. He did not kill all those. His fight was with those who gave hard time to him and his fellow Moslems for no valid reason.

Are you saying all Christians were and are good people in every time and period?

Always there will be bad people and in Islamic community there were and will be bad Moslems too, with who their fellow good Moslems did fight and will fight. So no discrimination.

Don’t you fight with non Catholic christians…if they harras or fight with you?

Have you forgot Irish and British bloody fight in the UK? Were they fighting for a birthday cake?

 

[dzheremi]

Christians are also considered ahl al-kitab, so what’s your point? We can’t marry Muslims by this law, just as you also cannot. Only they can marry OUR women (and yours) as a means of bolstering their numbers since any children born of such a marriage are automatically Muslims. I think this status might also give some us, like you, a false sense of security. My answer to being a “person of the book” is that it means NOTHING good or valuable, since the Muslims don’t actually respect the beliefs we hold as spelled out in our book. They say it is corrupt and heap abuse upon it whenever possible to prove the primacy of their religion, and then turn around and insert dreamed-up references to Muhammad whenever they want us to feel “brotherly” towards them. It’s not going to work. Not while they oppress the Copts, wage jihad against the Tewaheedo, and do all they can to undermine even secular historically Christian countries.

Show that you respect my book and its people, firstly. Then we can have this “common word” you so implore us to have.

Frankly, I’m suprised you don’t feel similarly as a Jew. The Qur’an speaks very poorly of the Jews as well.

 

[inJESUS]

Jews have been living in Medina when Prophet was alive.

 

[Angelos]

Again you are twisting views of both religions. When the True Messiah comes everything will be clear. He will judge according to what is RIGHT. Wait until He comes. Why worry now?

You must have difficulty reading and comprehending my post.

The Hadith recognises only Jesus as the true Messiah and promises that all those waiting an alternative Messiah (all Jews) will lick the dust.

Jews have been living in Medina when Prophet was alive. He did not kill all those. His fight was with those who gave hard time to him and his fellow Moslems for no valid reason.

I have seen something new today!! A Jew calling Mohammad “prophet” and denying that Jesus is a prophet.

Aaronjo, you must be a prophet aiming to found a new religion by combining Judaism with Islam.

Are you saying all Christians were and are good people in every time and period?

Always there will be bad people and in Islamic community there were and will be bad Moslems too, with who their fellow good Moslems did fight and will fight. So no discrimination.

Don’t you fight with non Catholic christians…if they harras or fight with you?

Have you forgot Irish and British bloody fight in the UK? Were they fighting for a birthday cake?

The style of your post (jumping from one topic to another one with no relevance, evading the questions, twisting the meaning of our quotations, putting in our mouths things we do not say, comparing apples with pears…) tells me that you are the one that has been repeatedly banned on this forum.

 

[inJESUS]

I have seen something new today!! A Jew calling Mohammad “prophet” and denying that Jesus is a prophet.

 

[Kaninchen]

I have seen something new today!! A Jew calling Mohammad “prophet” and denying that Jesus is a prophet.

Um, do you think we view Jesus as a prophet?

 

[inJESUS]

Um, do you think we view Jesus as a prophet?

no he is responding to a Muslim pretending to be a Jew who denies Jesus being a prophet yet calls Muhammad (who believes in Jesus as a prophet) a prophet.

 

[Kaninchen]

no he is responding to a Muslim pretending to be a Jew who denies Jesus being a prophet yet calls Muhammad (who believes in Jesus as a prophet) a prophet.

Probably the result of not terribly accurate phrasing (and me reading a thread backwards!).

 

[Angelos]

Um, do you think we view Jesus as a prophet?

I know you do not because you are a genuine Jew unlike aaronjo, who is the only Jew I have seen that calls Mohammad a true prophet and tries to justify his hostility towards the Jews living in Arabia