Islam is not the enemy.

[moses8472]

Actually you need to study history alot more people… Considering almost all of the most ruthless and evil regimes of the world were Athiests, not any other religions it kind of shows that you dont know what you are talking about. You are just blind by ignorance towards other faiths.

Hitler was an athiest, Stalin was an Athiest, the other dictators of Soviet Europe were Athiests, Pol Pot was an Athiest… And they all committed murder and genocide on scales you cant even imagine. There is not genocide in any muslim country even equal to that…

Not to mention the countless genocides done by christians… Serbians (christians) in Bosnia committed mass murder of muslims. the Hutu (Catholic) committed mass genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda, and more.

 

[cocot]

Islam was and is the socio-political force behind 1500 years of blood. I do not condem the people for being muslim because I know that there are moderate muslims, but Islam itself is not tolerant.

 

[Mike_D30]

I gotta be honest, in today’s world with Muslims blowing up New York, Washington, and a plane in Pennsylvania. Beheading reporters, killing western women in cold blood. Subjugating Christian’s in Muslim lands. Burning Churches, murdering priests whle screaming allah ahkbar.

They kinda seem like the enemy to me…

 

[gilliam]

moses8472:

Actually you need to study history alot more people… Considering almost all of the most ruthless and evil regimes of the world were Athiests, not any other religions it kind of shows that you dont know what you are talking about. You are just blind by ignorance towards other faiths.

Hitler was an athiest, Stalin was an Athiest, the other dictators of Soviet Europe were Athiests, Pol Pot was an Athiest… And they all committed murder and genocide on scales you cant even imagine. There is not genocide in any muslim country even equal to that…

Not to mention the countless genocides done by christians… Serbians (christians) in Bosnia committed mass murder of muslims. the Hutu (Catholic) committed mass genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda, and more.

When you study history, you go way before the 20th Century, or are you saying that history started with the 20th Century?

What is happening today is a clash of civilizations: specifically Islam and everyone else. It has happened a number of times in the past as well. Well, maybe not as wide spread as it is today.

 

[JOHNYJ]

moses8472:

Actually you need to study history alot more people… Considering almost all of the most ruthless and evil regimes of the world were Athiests, not any other religions it kind of shows that you dont know what you are talking about. You are just blind by ignorance towards other faiths.

Hitler was an athiest, Stalin was an Athiest, the other dictators of Soviet Europe were Athiests, Pol Pot was an Athiest… And they all committed murder and genocide on scales you cant even imagine. There is not genocide in any muslim country even equal to that…

Not to mention the countless genocides done by christians… Serbians (christians) in Bosnia committed mass murder of muslims. the Hutu (Catholic) committed mass genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda, and more.

Like it or not,Hitler was brought up, Catholic. Stalin was brouht up and atended Russian Orthodox seminary.
Also what about the Armenian Genocide ! Neither Bosnia or Rwanda even come close.

 

[Mike_D30]

JOHNYJ:

Like it or not,Hitler was brought up, Catholic. Stalin was brouht up and atended Russian Orthodox seminary.
Also what about the Armenian Genocide ! Neither Bosnia or Rwanda even come close.

Nothing is known of Hitler’s childhood, he got rid of almost everything that had to do with his past. What is known is he hated Catholic’s and criticized the Vatican for not recognizing what Jews were doing to Europe.

Stalin may have went to seminary, but clearly he became a Marxists and an atheist. Hard to call him a Catholic when he says there is no God but the state.

And the Jihadists slaughtered and tormented Byzantine Christianity for 800 years, and still do. If not for the Christians holding them back, Europe would be Muslim today.

 

[ahimsaman72]

moses8472:

Actually you need to study history alot more people… Considering almost all of the most ruthless and evil regimes of the world were Athiests, not any other religions it kind of shows that you dont know what you are talking about. You are just blind by ignorance towards other faiths.

Hitler was an athiest, Stalin was an Athiest, the other dictators of Soviet Europe were Athiests, Pol Pot was an Athiest… And they all committed murder and genocide on scales you cant even imagine. There is not genocide in any muslim country even equal to that…

Not to mention the countless genocides done by christians… Serbians (christians) in Bosnia committed mass murder of muslims. the Hutu (Catholic) committed mass genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda, and more.

Extremely good points. If we were to compare in the 20th century the most abusive, violent and murderous groups of people, you have to consider Communism/materialism/atheism as the no. 1 top dog. I’ve mentioned before on other threads what has happened in China, Tibet and Vietnam due to Communism and its anti-religious point of view.

I wish everyone would rent the movie (or buy) “Kundun” by Martin Scorcese. It chronicles the life of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and the life of his people in Tibet during the takeover by the Communists from China. They forced him to leave the country. They have kidnapped the Panchen Lama and hold him still today in Beijing. They killed mercilessly all those who were religious - be they Buddhist, Christian or whatever.

And, due to the decline of moral mandates in American government, i.e. legalization of abortion, removal of Ten Commandments from government buildings and suppression and ridicule in media and government in general, I would say the real danger to all faiths is secularism and atheism.

I read some months ago about Pol Pot and the horrrendous, abominable and murderous regime he led for many years and can’t help but logically consider materialism/communism/atheism to be the WORST human rights offenders the world has ever seen, IMHO of course.

Peace…

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Kitty Chan:

I think a good point is

Though they are important to recognise, let’s not allow our differences to breed hatred and division,
Does this include catholics and protestants? I think we are gonna need each other more and more.

Neithan

I dont think the thread is following you unless Im not? I didnt take this as pc. Maybe its because Im a fellow Canuk, perhaps something is lost in translation. Are you a fan of U2 by any chance?

Kitty

 

[Proverbs4me]

Mike_D30:

I gotta be honest, in today’s world with Muslims blowing up New York, Washington, and a plane in Pennsylvania. Beheading reporters, killing western women in cold blood. Subjugating Christian’s in Muslim lands. Burning Churches, murdering priests whle screaming allah ahkbar.

They kinda seem like the enemy to me…

you got it right

 

[Neithan]

Kitty Chan:

I dont think the thread is following you unless Im not? I didnt take this as pc. Maybe its because Im a fellow Canuk, perhaps something is lost in translation. Are you a fan of U2 by any chance?

Well it started out okay, then it all went downhill. I don’t think I’ll be able to convince anyone who doesn’t want to be convinced–but secularism is a far greater threat today than Islam. I’ll just have to pray that we can all see that before it’s too late.
I think the demons are setting up Islamic radicals as a convincing decoy for us to throw all our energy at, while they suck the life out of us on the domestic front. Part of the problem might be that many Christians/Catholics themselves are guilty of secularism and simply don’t see it as an imminent danger. A ‘can’t see the forest for the trees’ syndrome. Plus, Islam provides a nice, concrete scapegoat for our problems, rather than the many varied and vague modernist heresies which pervade our own society, to which we have over time grown comfortably accustomed, despite the fact that their cancer is starting to display its debilitating effects. People love simple scapegoats, that’s a fact deeply embedded in our history.
Btw I am a fan of U2 but mostly familiar with their older stuff (pre-‘Pop’). Why do you ask?

 

[Mike_D30]

Neithan:

Plus, Islam provides a nice, concrete scapegoat for our problems, rather than the many varied and vague modernist heresies which pervade our own society, to which we have over time grown comfortably accustomed, despite the fact that their cancer is starting to display its debilitating effects. People love simple scapegoats, that’s a fact deeply

Simple scapegoat???

I mean they were Muslim’s who slaughtered 3000+ people on 9/11, I guess they are convenient scapegoats, since they’re the ones that did it.

Often times I feel blessed I get to pass by Ground Zero on a daily basis, and my time in the Marines. May I never become as blinded as you.

Honestly how do you reconcile verses that I showed from the Koran obviously promoting violence towards Jews and Christians. And demanding that we get forcefully converted or subjugated?

Wake up, Muslim’s don’t want peace with Christian’s or Jews, ever, the Koran forbids it. Muslim’s must convert everyone in the world to Islam, or subjugate the people of the Book (us) with the dhimi. Hindu’s and Buddhist’s don’t fall into that category so they either convert or go under the sword. Look up atrocities done by Muslim’s to Hindu’s. It makes 9/11 look like nothing.

 

[Lance]

I must disagree with you. Christianity has many enemies and Islam is but one of them. It does not have to be that way but as long as Islam supports terrorism, oppression and discrimination against non-Muslims, lack of religious freedom, the destruction of Israel and is anti-democracy, make no mistake, they are the enemy.

 

[inJESUS]

ok so both islam and atheism are a threat…one in the name of a strange deity, the other in the name of nothing (?)…so we must endure till the end, as Jesus said…Satan does not have one plan, but plans…he’ll do his best to take people away from their salvation in Christ…you call it whatever you like…so we must protect our faith and endure till our Lord comes again…

 

[Neithan]

Islamic radicals are *an *enemy, yes. I stand by my conviction that they are not the greater enemy at this time. The greater threat is clearly the post-modernist poison that is far more subtle and far more lethal. Perhaps I’m being too vague–I’m talking about the secular, apatheistic (“God doesn’t matter”) attitude prevalent in the West which is tearing down our moral fabric. The aptly named Culture of Death.

Explain to me, those of you who are so afraid of Islam: how do you figure, something which threatens to kill us physically is more dangerous than something which threatens to kill us spiritually?

Maybe my hope of allying with Islam on the ground of theistic faith to combat the above-mentioned threats is too hopeful and idealistic, but I’m not yet convinced that all Muslims are warmongering suicidal maniacs, so I’ll hold out on that hope. It doesn’t blind me to the atrocities committed by those Muslims who *are *warmongering suicidal maniacs, however few they may be in comparison to the rest.

 

[Lance]

~~~~~~~
Explain to me, those of you who are so afraid of Islam: how do you figure, something which threatens to kill us physically is more dangerous than something which threatens to kill us spiritually?

Maybe my hope of allying with Islam on the ground of theistic faith to combat the above-mentioned threats is too hopeful and idealistic, but I’m not yet convinced that all Muslims are warmongering suicidal maniacs, so I’ll hold out on that hope. It doesn’t blind me to the atrocities committed by those Muslims who *are *warmongering suicidal maniacs, however few they may be in comparison to the rest.

If you don’t know Christ are dead you have no chance to change and get to know Him.

They are not few in comparison, they have the support of the majority if they are not the majority.

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

We all should reflect on the fact that abortion has been legalized in this country - prayer has been taken out - the Ten Commandments have been thrown out the door and the media is purely secular.

Now, I’m no conservative fanatic (obviously ), but whether I agree with the things mentioned above is beside the point. These moral values have been set aside and secularism has now reigned to where no religion is looked upon as good and right for the people.

All faiths should be aware that religion has a big target on its back. The recent uprisings only fuel the viewpoint of secularists that religion is a worthless disease that needs to be gotten rid of. And you know that this lies in Communism and at the source materialism.

Peace…

The Muslims missed a real chance at boycotting produces made in Denmark ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS WORKING! All this radical intimidating violence afterwards really turned a lot of westerner against the Muslim world. Why didnt they at least allow the boycotts to do it job of hitting them in the pocket books?

 

[inJESUS]

Islamic radicals are *an *

enemy, yes. I stand by my conviction that they are not the greater enemy at this time. The greater threat is clearly the post-modernist poison that is far more subtle and far more lethal. Perhaps I’m being too vague–I’m talking about the secular, apatheistic (“God doesn’t matter”) attitude prevalent in the West which is tearing down our moral fabric. The aptly named Culture of Death. i agree, but i see them both as an equal threat…i live with them and i know their intentions…if “God doesnt matter” attitude scares you, then “non-moslems dont matter” scares me as well…yes not all muslims are like this, but if you give the power to islam to rise, the radicals will apply their rules and “moderate” muslims will FOLLOW them.

Explain to me, those of you who are so afraid of Islam: how do you figure, something which threatens to kill us physically is more dangerous than something which threatens to kill us spiritually?

we are both, body and mind: both are equal threats…your relationship with God wont change under atheist regime, but your family will miss you if you die…so both are equal threats.

Maybe my hope of allying with Islam on the ground of theistic faith to combat the above-mentioned threats is too hopeful and idealistic, but I’m not yet convinced that all Muslims are warmongering suicidal maniacs, so I’ll hold out on that hope

go on, until they rule you…muslims, moderate or not, will live according to mohammads way

. It doesn’t blind me to the atrocities committed by those Muslims who *are *

warmongering suicidal maniacs, however few they may be in comparison to the rest these few ( millions) wont rest until the religion of allah is islam.

conclusion? both are threats…as i already said, satan has many ways

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Neithan:

Well it started out okay, then it all went downhill. I don’t think I’ll be able to convince anyone who doesn’t want to be convinced–but secularism is a far greater threat today than Islam. I’ll just have to pray that we can all see that before it’s too late.
I think the demons are setting up Islamic radicals as a convincing decoy for us to throw all our energy at, while they suck the life out of us on the domestic front. Part of the problem might be that many Christians/Catholics themselves are guilty of secularism and simply don’t see it as an imminent danger. A ‘can’t see the forest for the trees’ syndrome. Plus, Islam provides a nice, concrete scapegoat for our problems, rather than the many varied and vague modernist heresies which pervade our own society, to which we have over time grown comfortably accustomed, despite the fact that their cancer is starting to display its debilitating effects. People love simple scapegoats, that’s a fact deeply embedded in our history.
Btw I am a fan of U2 but mostly familiar with their older stuff (pre-‘Pop’). Why do you ask?

Well, I did read you loud and clear then. I think that those reading need to reread what you said as you said later your not arguing what has been done. I understand you are speaking of something above all that.

Muslims may hate christians but we are to pray and love our ememies, and neighbours maybe we need to ask ourselves just exactly what that means. I understand theres a fine line rolling here but think deeper about the question folks. Actually dont look at the thread title.

Neithan maybe its the Canuk thing or something about a fellow U2 fan Im not sure. Just something they have been saying for years. . .

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

The Muslims missed a real chance at boycotting produces made in Denmark ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS WORKING! All this radical intimidating violence afterwards really turned a lot of westerner against the Muslim world. Why didnt they at least allow the boycotts to do it job of hitting them in the pocket books?

Of course you are right. I agree. Protests=okay, boycott=okay, violence=not okay.

Yes, what they have done only furthers the bad blood between the Muslim world and the Western world.

If Muslims want to make their case, they have to do it diplomatically and without violence. It’s hard to have dialogue when an extremists’ gun is pointing at your forehead and you are trying to discuss peace. That’s why I advocate we all drop our weapons and try dialogue. The problem is that everyone has to cooperate.

I remember as a Southern Baptist boycotting Disney .

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Neithan:

Islamic radicals are *an *enemy, yes. I stand by my conviction that they are not the greater enemy at this time. The greater threat is clearly the post-modernist poison that is far more subtle and far more lethal. Perhaps I’m being too vague–I’m talking about the secular, apatheistic (“God doesn’t matter”) attitude prevalent in the West which is tearing down our moral fabric. The aptly named Culture of Death.

Explain to me, those of you who are so afraid of Islam: how do you figure, something which threatens to kill us physically is more dangerous than something which threatens to kill us spiritually?

Maybe my hope of allying with Islam on the ground of theistic faith to combat the above-mentioned threats is too hopeful and idealistic, but I’m not yet convinced that all Muslims are warmongering suicidal maniacs, so I’ll hold out on that hope. It doesn’t blind me to the atrocities committed by those Muslims who *are *warmongering suicidal maniacs, however few they may be in comparison to the rest.

I absolutely agree that secularism (as I’ve stated before) is the key opponent of ALL religions which is why it is the ultimate problem. Islam vs. Christianity is not a big a problem as secularism vs Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

Peace…