Islam is weak = peace, Islam is the upper hand = sword.

[Sam_777]

“When Islam is weak, they will be the religion of peace," said Rusty Thomas, a minister who traveled from Waco, Texas, with Operation Save America to protest the event. "When they get the upper hand, out comes the sword.”, Link.

Do you think that statement could be somehow right?

I personally believe so, per this authentic hadith:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0079:
“…I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
(E) (A)

 

[BobCatholic]

Islam is relativism. It stands for nothing except the 5 pillars. Everything else is negotiable and open.

Proof: I have yet to see anyone issue a fatwa declaring Osama Bin Laden kafir (a non-believer) for his actions.

 

[Sam_777]

Proof: I have yet to see anyone issue a fatwa declaring Osama Bin Laden kafir (a non-believer) for his actions.

There is no way any Muslim cleric would issue something like that, Osama and his group are the most devoted Muslims, they are implementing Islam as it was in early Muhammed’s days…

 

[BobCatholic]

There is no way any Muslim cleric would issue something like that, Osama and his group are the most devoted Muslims, they are implementing Islam as it was in early Muhammed’s days…

But, but, but I thought that terrorism goes against Islam’s teachings - at least that’s what CAIR tells us

Even more proof that Islam is relativism - they have a teaching that it is OK to lie to non-believers. So we can’t even trust them when they tell us what the faith is in the first place

 

[Booklover]

“When Islam is weak, they will be the religion of peace," said Rusty Thomas, a minister who traveled from Waco, Texas, with Operation Save America to protest the event. "When they get the upper hand, out comes the sword.”, Link.

Do you think that statement could be somehow right?

I personally believe so, per this authentic hadith:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0079:
“…I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
(E) (A)

Yes, I believe that! Islam is all about deception and lies. Here’s an article by Iranian ex-Muslim Amil Imani which corroborates it as well.


“No, there is no misunderstanding. No, it is not the Zionists and fundamentalist Christians who are misrepresenting Islam. It is Muslims and Muslim organizations who are guilty of dissimulation and fraud. Muslims act meekly when they lack sufficient power. Once in power, the Real Islam emerges from its shell of dissimulation and puts free people and their way of life to the sword.” Amil Imani

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

Yes, I believe that! Islam is all about deception and lies. Here’s an article by Iranian ex-Muslim Amil Imani which corroborates it as well.


“No, there is no misunderstanding. No, it is not the Zionists and fundamentalist Christians who are misrepresenting Islam. It is Muslims and Muslim organizations who are guilty of dissimulation and fraud. Muslims act meekly when they lack sufficient power. Once in power, the Real Islam emerges from its shell of dissimulation and puts free people and their way of life to the sword.” Amil Imani

Vickie

And that is how is all got started. When mohamad claimed he was a prophet of God, no one took him seriously.

The Jews laughed at him. The Jews tested his prophetic call. He failed!

The Christians did’t believe him.

The pagans just wanted to be pagan and be left alone

As he gained power with followers, anyone who laughed at him got killed.

It’s what I call and many say … “management by fear”.

Convert of die - follow islam or die - follow mahamad or die - believe in mohamad or die.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Sam Shamoun talked about this in detail in his debate with Nadir Ahmed. It’s worth watching if you ignore Nadir Ahmed (even Muslims hate that guy) and listen to Shamoun’s arguments. He uses the Koran and hadith together.

 

[Sam_777]

Yes, I believe that! Islam is all about deception and lies. Here’s an article by Iranian ex-Muslim Amil Imani which corroborates it as well.


“No, there is no misunderstanding. No, it is not the Zionists and fundamentalist Christians who are misrepresenting Islam. It is Muslims and Muslim organizations who are guilty of dissimulation and fraud. Muslims act meekly when they lack sufficient power. Once in power, the Real Islam emerges from its shell of dissimulation and puts free people and their way of life to the sword.” Amil Imani

Vickie

The Jews laughed at him. The Jews tested his prophetic call. He failed!

The Christians did’t believe him.

This is the problem, he had no authentic references pointing to his claimed prophecy…

 

[elwill]

“When Islam is weak, they will be the religion of peace," said Rusty Thomas, a minister who traveled from Waco, Texas, with Operation Save America to protest the event. "When they get the upper hand, out comes the sword.”, Link.

Do you think that statement could be somehow right?

I personally believe so, per this authentic hadith:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0079:
“…I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
(E) (A)

what this part means to you sam ?
**He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; ** ?

and what do you think about islam of these days ? is it weak and peacfull religion , or is it dominant and violent ?

 

[elwill]

Islam is relativism. It stands for nothing except the 5 pillars. Everything else is negotiable and open.

Proof: I have yet to see anyone issue a fatwa declaring Osama Bin Laden kafir (a non-believer) for his actions.

the kafir or non believer in islam , is the one who don’t believe in oness and unity of God and don’t believe the mohammed (pbuh) his prophet
there are muslims crimers and their are muslims terrorists and thier are muslims sinners .

does church issue something similar for the killers christians from example ?

 

[elwill]

But, but, but I thought that terrorism goes against Islam’s teachings - at least that’s what CAIR tells us

Even more proof that Islam is relativism - they have a teaching that it is OK to lie to non-believers. So we can’t even trust them when they tell us what the faith is in the first place

why you supose that the majority of muslims are the ones who lie ?

may be the groups of terrorism are the ones who lie , specifically if you consider them devout muslims and consequently they believe that it’s okey for them to lie on you

 

[dolphinlove]

what this part means to you sam ?
**He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; ** ?

and what do you think about islam of these days ? is it weak and peacfull religion , or is it dominant and violent ?

Its dominant in a few countries, but as long as i live, i pray it will never dominate this earth.
Violent, is Islam violent… give me a moment, im about to wet myself with laughter here.
Look at the terrorism in our society, who causes 99.9% of terrorism these days… Muslims!

 

[dolphinlove]

the kafir or non believer in islam , is the one who don’t believe in oness and unity of God and don’t believe the mohammed (pbuh) his prophet
there are muslims crimers and their are muslims terrorists and thier are muslims sinners .

does church issue something similar for the killers christians from example ?

Never, Jesus himself told us to turn the other cheek. He also said many will suffer for following him, but he never taught us to get revenge.

 

[elwill]

And that is how is all got started. When mohamad claimed he was a prophet of God, no one took him seriously.

The Jews laughed at him. The Jews tested his prophetic call. He failed!

The Christians did’t believe him.

The pagans just wanted to be pagan and be left alone

As he gained power with followers, anyone who laughed at him got killed.

It’s what I call and many say … “management by fear”.

Convert of die - follow islam or die - follow mahamad or die - believe in mohamad or die.

if not christians nor jews nor pagans followed him in his start , then who followed him ?

and how he gained power with followers in the first place before using " managment be fear" strategy ?

 

[elwill]

Never, Jesus himself told us to turn the other cheek. He also said many will suffer for following him, but he never taught us to get revenge.

you missed my point
jesus either never taught adultery , is that mean that those christians who commit it considered to be nonchristians ?
reread my post and the quote again to understand my point

i wanna to say that if Osama made somthing agianst the teaching of islam dosn’t mean that we have the authority to isuue fatwa that he isn’t muslim

 

[elwill]

Its dominant in a few countries, but as long as i live, i pray it will never dominate this earth.
Violent, is Islam violent… give me a moment, im about to wet myself with laughter here.
Look at the terrorism in our society, who causes 99.9% of terrorism these days… Muslims!

i’m just testing his theory , i think that the clear theory he posted will need clear answer as well
i just want clear answer from the options i offered
thank you for your participating

 

[elwill]

Sam Shamoun talked about this in detail in his debate with Nadir Ahmed. It’s worth watching if you ignore Nadir Ahmed (even Muslims hate that guy) and listen to Shamoun’s arguments. He uses the Koran and hadith together.

are you mean that it will be worth just in the case you hear from one side ?

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

are you mean that it will be worth just in the case you hear from one side ?

I don’t follow.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

What’s with the mathematical style of the original post?

Radical Islam = the coefficient of the Taliban ÷ the square root of the Koran to the third power + madrasas X Sharia = Allah

 

[Sam_777]

what this part means to you sam ?
**He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; ** ?

Sword…

and what do you think about islam of these days ? is it weak and peacfull religion , or is it dominant and violent ?

Weak & peaceful in some countries, and dominant and violent in some other countries.

Nowadays I give it 80/20 ratio.

What’s with the mathematical style of the original post?

Radical Islam = the coefficient of the Taliban ÷ the square root of the Koran to the third power + madrasas X Sharia = Allah