Islam is weak = peace, Islam is the upper hand = sword.

[Christos]

Islam is relativism. It stands for nothing except the 5 pillars. Everything else is negotiable and open.

Proof: I have yet to see anyone issue a fatwa declaring Osama Bin Laden kafir (a non-believer) for his actions.

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youtube.com/watch?v=1L-H2Rqnr9I&feature=related

Just because you don’t hear about them in the U.S doesn’t mean its not out there. They just don’t want you to know about it.

 

[jakasaki]

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This is the problem, he had no authentic references pointing to his claimed prophecy…

And this still goes on today Sam.

The Jews do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

The Christians do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

 

[bosnian_muslim]

There is no way any Muslim cleric would issue something like that, Osama and his group are the most devoted Muslims, they are implementing Islam as it was in early Muhammed’s days…

maybe in the wahhabi Saudi Arabia,but in the normal world people hate him

his supporters even kill muslims (in Iraq)

 

[bosnian_muslim]

And this still goes on today Sam.

The Jews do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

The Christians do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

the jews dont consider Jesus a messiah and Gods son,and this still goes on

 

[jakasaki]

the jews dont consider Jesus a messiah and Gods son,and this still goes on

**The Jews do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

The Christians do not consider mohamad a prophet of God**

 

[bosnian_muslim]

**The Jews do not consider mohamad a prophet of God

The Christians do not consider mohamad a prophet of God**

as you se,history is repeating

first the jews didnt want to accept Jesus,but the christians went on,and then both christians and jews(most of them) didnt want to accept Mohammed…

 

[jakasaki]

as you se,history is repeating

first the jews didnt want to accept Jesus,but the christians went on,and then both christians and jews(most of them) didnt want to accept Mohammed…

There was no such thing as “Christians” during Jesus time. They were all Jews and non-Jews such as Greeks (et al).

and then both christians and jews(most of them) didnt want to accept Mohammed

I don’t believe there is one Jew or Christian that have accepted mohamad as a prophet of God ~ but… I could be wrong.

Someone point to a direction of which sect of Judaism or Christianity believes that mohamad is a true prophet of God.

 

[bosnian_muslim]

There was no such thing as “Christians” during Jesus time. They were all Jews and non-Jews such as Greeks (et al).

I don’t believe there is one Jew or Christian that have accepted mohamad as a prophet of God ~ but… I could be wrong.

Someone point to a direction of which sect of Judaism or Christianity believes that mohamad is a true prophet of God.

and the prophet Muhammad never claimed that he was inventing new laws and a new religion,he just claimed that he was there to confirm again what the other prophets said…because people corrupted the faith

of course no christian sect accepts Muhammed,but during Mohammeds time many arab christians accepted him

 

[GeorgeSword]

There was no such thing as “Christians” during Jesus time. They were all Jews and non-Jews such as Greeks (et al).

I don’t believe there is one Jew or Christian that have accepted mohamad as a prophet of God ~ but… I could be wrong.

Someone point to a direction of which sect of Judaism or Christianity believes that mohamad is a true prophet of God.

Actually, do a bit of research on ‘Chrislam’.

 

[jakasaki]

Actually, do a bit of research on ‘Chrislam’.

Thanks George.

I did find the .org site and browsed through it. I also found this on wiki… yes… wiki … and I know not to trust wiki because anyone can blah, blah, blah.

Chrislam (pronounced /ˈkrɪslɑːm/), or the The Will of God Mission or Ifeoluwa Mission (Ifeoluwa is a Yoruba word meaning “God’s Love”), is a Nigerian syncretic religion which mixes elements of both Christianity and Islam.

Founded by Tela Tella in the 1980s, the sect predominantly exists in Lagos, Nigeria. Its followers recognise both the Bible and the Qur’an as holy texts, and practice “running deliverance,” a distinctive practice of spiritual running which members liken to Joshua’s army that took Jericho, or the Muslim practice of circumambulating the Ka’aba.

I don’t understand how it’s possible to believe in both books.

Perhaps the belief is not @ 100% because the koran contradicts the Bible Crucifixion and the koran stories regarding other Biblical people are all jumbled up in the koran and they do not resemble the Biblical characters.



Thanks for sharing the info.

 

[Booklover]

and the prophet Muhammad never claimed that he was inventing new laws and a new religion,he just claimed that he was there to confirm again what the other prophets said…because people corrupted the faith

of course no christian sect accepts Muhammed,but during Mohammeds time many arab christians accepted him

Muhammad redefined sin. He turned evil actions into good actions and even broke his own laws. He even had people assassinated for writing satyrical poems about him but of course, you probably see nothing wrong with that since Muslims are taught to make the victims of his actions into the criminals. That’s why Muslims see nothing wrong in Muhammad’s evil deeds.

Vickie

 

[pismopal]

Sword…

Weak & peaceful in some countries, and dominant and violent in some other countries.

Nowadays I give it 80/20 ratio.

Sam
You have a lot of courage but are you sure you cannot be exposed…watch your back:shrug:

 

[staffsgt7]

Islam is relativism. It stands for nothing except the 5 pillars. Everything else is negotiable and open.

Proof: I have yet to see anyone issue a fatwa declaring Osama Bin Laden kafir (a non-believer) for his actions.

Actually, there are 6 pillars in Islam. they just don’t like to mention it because it is mostly mentioned as violence against the unbelievers in their Koran. The 6th pillar is Jihad.

There is a lesser Jihad and a greater Jihad. The lesser is actually the waging of war against the unbelievers but it is the one that is mentioned the most in the koran. THe greater jihad is the struggle within one’s self. But it is hard to find in the koran because it is mentioned so few times.

There will be no fatwa against bin Laden. He is actually looked upon as a great man by the majority of Muslims. He follows Mohammed’s instructions as closely as one can follow them. And he wouldn’t be declared a kafir anyway since he is a Muslim. THey call Muslims hypocrites if they do not follow Mohammed and the laws of Islam.

If bin laden were an outcast in Islam we would have had him in our possession a long time ago.

 

[staffsgt7]

Its dominant in a few countries, but as long as i live, i pray it will never dominate this earth.
Violent, is Islam violent… give me a moment, im about to wet myself with laughter here.
Look at the terrorism in our society, who causes 99.9% of terrorism these days… Muslims!

Over 50,000 Islamic terror attacks since the 1970s and over 14160 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. here

Basically what we are arguing about are facts versus a Muslim’s emotional defense of what he considers his religion. Some of his posts also have shown us that Islam doesn’t recognize that even though a religion has such things as confession and forgiveness (or not) such as in the question

"does church issue something similar for the killers christians from example ? "

. There is no such thing in Islam. It is looked upon as a weakness. Especially if the person was born and raised a Muslim, the concept is beyond them.

My question is how do Muslims justify even discussing the Koran? Unless this person is a person trained to do such things. ‘Faith building and networking’ is an interesting description since I have seen no attempts from anyone in Islam to reconcile with non-Muslims in their own lands. All I read about is violence, persecution, kidnappings, rape, etc. And that includes areas in the West that the Muslims are uniting in areas and squeezing out non-MUslims, or intimidating them so they flee the muslim majority areas. pdf doc here

Islamic law is clear that anyone, including a Muslim who lacks in depth knowledge of the various dimensions of Arabic, the figurative, literal, and the forms of metaphor, is prohibited from explaining or interpreting anything in the koran and the hadith, beyond what they have heard from another who possesses these abilities. One must also have a complete knowledge of which verses abrogate others and which verses stand abrogated.

 

[staffsgt7]

and the prophet Muhammad never claimed that he was inventing new laws and a new religion,he just claimed that he was there to confirm again what the other prophets said…because people corrupted the faith

of course no christian sect accepts Muhammed,but during Mohammeds time many arab christians accepted him

Yeah, and if they don’t believe it then kill or subjugate 'em.

Can you show proof of this corruption that you wrote of? And if it is so then how can Mohammed base his ideology on a corrupted faith? And be specific as to what is corrupted and what is not.