Islam on Christianity, Men/Women and The Western World

  • Thread starter Thread starter MyNameIsChris
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

MyNameIsChris

Guest
I was on youtube a while back and saw a video in Islam. It was brief, and really just had to do with the Hijab. I recognized one of the mens voices, and at the end of the video, in the credits, it also mentioned his name. Maybe some people here have heard of him. His name is “Sheikh Khalid Yasin”, a former Christian who converted to Islam. Anyways, I’ve been watching a few of his videos, and the guy mainly focuses on clearing up some of the “misconceptions” about Islam that other people may have. But I don’t really trust everything he says, especially in the video about Christianity. Seems to me like he’s playing with words and making people believe something that isn’t true. Of course, since I’m not a Christian, I really don’t know much about the subject. But I thought that this would be the appropriate place to post some of his more popular videos and see what you people may have to say about them.

On the celebrities in the western world (I think some people here may agree with this one):

youtube.com/watch?v=eBt3PRRW96I&feature=related

On Wife Beating:

youtube.com/watch?v=TJNU2xx83nw&feature=related

On women and the Hijab:

youtube.com/watch?v=QHWZRzNpa94

And The One on Christianity/Jesus (you’re gonna wanna watch this):

youtube.com/watch?v=f5Hc4Ea3nTY&feature=related

Thoughts?
 
I thought the first three videos were reasonable, but I have a few corrections for the last one.
 
Yasin’s video on Christianity is very misleading. He propounds nothing I haven’t heard before from Muslims wishing to misinterpret the Bible for their own purposes.
  1. The argument on which he spends the most time, that the content of the Our Father demonstrates that Jesus didn’t claim to be divine, falls flat when one looks at the context:
Matthew 6:7-9: [7] “And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
[8] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[9] Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven…”

Jesus is teaching his audience how to pray, not praying himself.
  1. Yasin neglects to consider that, although Jesus never told others that he was God and to worship him in those exact words, Christ’s statements and actions were construed as meaning just that by his first-century Palestinian Jewish audience. This, according to texts such as Mark 2:1-12, occurred with his full knowledge and, by his failure to say anything, demonstrates that he certainly felt he was understood correctly.
  2. Yasin’s citation of Christ’s statement at John 6:19 (or something similar–he doesn’t give a reference) illustrates again that this profoundly misinformed preacher is looking at the statement not in its first-century Palestinian Jewish context but through revisionist Muslim eyes:
John 6:15-24: [15] The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him.
[16] And this was why the Jews persecuted Jesus, because he did this on the sabbath.
[17] But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working still, and I am working.”
[18] This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God.
[19] Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.
[20] For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all that he himself is doing; and greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
[22] The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
[23] that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

Would a mere human prophet speak and act like this?
 
One of the comments:
"Jesus Christ said:

13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet.

You owe me $5000"
(To which I laughed hysterically!)
Another comment:
““I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” In that passage he says he and the father are one meaning he is God why else would they have taken the stones to kill him?”
 
Just a little note: This guy is dead, so don’t try to find his email and send him a message explaining how stupid he is 😉

Err to be honest, I thought that the first video was something that a lot of people on here would agree with. Any highly religious person would probably agree with that, whether they be Muslim or Non-Muslim.

I completely disagree with the second one. Although I recognize that it probably was a big improvement to how women were being treated prior to the introduction of Islam, the mere fact that Islam taught that it was acceptable for a man to get physical when his wife was “disobeying” him makes me sick. How is that any different to treating your dog when it misbehaves? Why are women that ones who get punished for being independent, whereas a husband can stay out as long as he wants and not be questioned for it. A man can also beat his wife and not have to explain his reason for doing so.

The third one was also controversial. I know that Christian/Jewish women also dressed the same way. However, it IS a form of oppression. Why? Because women had to cover up from head to toe, not men. Women weren’t allowed to show anything other than their faces and hands, not the men. He compares women with money and jewels in the video. Another example of how he feels women are objects/property of the husband/father. And WHY do women wear the Hijab? Because God said so. And what is God’s reasoning? So that men won’t look at her and be tempted to rape her. Seems like the real problem in their society is the men, not the women that choose not to cover up from head to toe. If a guy is going to rape a girl just because he catches a glimpse of her outside a Hijab, then that’s not the kind of guy I’d feel safe living next door to, even if I was always covered while outside. He then goes on to say that wearing the Hijab was to prevent “unnatural attraction”. Are you serious? Dude, I’m pretty sure that when our ancestors were in the wild, they didn’t date each other, see if their was chemistry between each other, evaluate the other’s personality AND THEN choose to mate with that person. No, as far as mating was concerned, men, being the visual creatures that we are, chose to have babies with a woman not based on how compatible we were with her, but on the way she looked. That’s just the way evolution works. Dating is a part of our society today, but hasn’t always been so. How compatible your personalities were was insignificant thousands of years ago. What a fool.

And the fourth video was plain old stupid.d He obviously doesn’t know a thing about Christianity.
 
MyNameIsChris said:
Just a little note: This guy is dead, so don’t try to find his email and send him a message explaining how stupid he is 😉
Click to expand...
It’s really unfortunate no one got up and exposed his bizarre misinterpretations of the Bible in the fourth video, and won’t get such an opportunity now that Yasin has passed away. He’s probably led a number of Christians astray over the years. Something has to be done; this kind of thing is par for the course among Muslim apologists, who always seem to employ sophistical arguments where they just miss the point of the text and do their best to obscure its true meaning.
I completely disagree with the second one. Although I recognize that it probably was a big improvement to how women were being treated prior to the introduction of Islam, the mere fact that Islam taught that it was acceptable for a man to get physical when his wife was “disobeying” him makes me sick. How is that any different to treating your dog when it misbehaves? Why are women that ones who get punished for being independent, whereas a husband can stay out as long as he wants and not be questioned for it. A man can also beat his wife and not have to explain his reason for doing so.
Click to expand...
I agree with you here. Aya 4:34 reveals the human origins of the Qur’an. The logic Yasin employs will take any rational mind in circles: “The Qur’an says you can use physical force against a misbehaving wife, but only in extraordinary circumstances. You can’t cause lasting damage either, and you shouldn’t take this measure if it will worsen the wife’s disobedience. Hitting one’s wife is something even Muhammad didn’t do.” So… why is this provision even in the Qur’an if it’s going to be used so rarely, wasn’t employed by the founder of Islam, and clearly has the potential for being abused? (As far as I know the text doesn’t give all the restrictions on where and how physical force may not be applied that Yasin mentions.)

It seems like aya 4:34 was a concession to the culture of seventh-century Arabia that, because it hasn’t or can’t be abrogated by something else in the Qur’an, has to be explained away by Western converts to Islam so as to lure THEIR AUDIENCE into a false sense of security about the religion. throws up hands in exasperation
 
@ OP ~

I can’t find anything about him being dead…

Do you have a link…?
 
I belive this person is very much alive - Wiki does not show a “death” date…

But I also found his website - perhaps -

kalamullah.com/khalid-yasin.html
Shaykh Khalid Yasin, a former Christian, is the Executive Director of the Islamic Teaching Institute (ITI); a premier organisation dedicated to the work of Dawah.
Click to expand...
He has studied the Arabic language in Madina, Saudi Arabia and Cairo, Egypt and has had many mentors and teachers who tutored him in Fiqh us-Sunnah, Fiqh us-Seerah, Islamic History and the memorisation and recitation of the Holy Qur’an.
Click to expand...
In the past ten years, the ITI has delivered more than 5000 persons to Islam and an additional 1,476 since the September 11 Attacks.
Click to expand...
Shaykh Khalid Yasin delivered a lecture in Saudi Arabia in 1994 titled “The Purpose of Life”, which resulted in 43 persons accepting Islam on that very night.
Click to expand...
Khalid Yasin constantly tours the world delivering lectures aimed at removing distortions about Islam and Muslims, conducting Dawah Training Courses, and providing new Muslims with a specially designed Islamic Training Program.
Click to expand...
Khalid Yasin is committed to raising the consciousness of the Muslims to fulfil the responsibility of Dawah and the establishment of Islamic revival, Insha’Allah.
Click to expand...
Email: specialsky@gmail.com
Click to expand...
kalamullah.com/khalid-yasin.html
Click to expand...
 
MyNameIsChris said:
Just a little note: This guy is dead, so don’t try to find his email and send him a message explaining how stupid he is 😉

Err to be honest, I thought that the first video was something that a lot of people on here would agree with. Any highly religious person would probably agree with that, whether they be Muslim or Non-Muslim.

I completely disagree with the second one. Although I recognize that it probably was a big improvement to how women were being treated prior to the introduction of Islam, the mere fact that Islam taught that it was acceptable for a man to get physical when his wife was “disobeying” him makes me sick. How is that any different to treating your dog when it misbehaves? Why are women that ones who get punished for being independent, whereas a husband can stay out as long as he wants and not be questioned for it. A man can also beat his wife and not have to explain his reason for doing so.

The third one was also controversial. I know that Christian/Jewish women also dressed the same way. However, it IS a form of oppression. Why? Because women had to cover up from head to toe, not men. Women weren’t allowed to show anything other than their faces and hands, not the men. He compares women with money and jewels in the video. Another example of how he feels women are objects/property of the husband/father. And WHY do women wear the Hijab? Because God said so. And what is God’s reasoning? So that men won’t look at her and be tempted to rape her. Seems like the real problem in their society is the men, not the women that choose not to cover up from head to toe. If a guy is going to rape a girl just because he catches a glimpse of her outside a Hijab, then that’s not the kind of guy I’d feel safe living next door to, even if I was always covered while outside. He then goes on to say that wearing the Hijab was to prevent “unnatural attraction”. Are you serious? Dude, I’m pretty sure that when our ancestors were in the wild, they didn’t date each other, see if their was chemistry between each other, evaluate the other’s personality AND THEN choose to mate with that person. No, as far as mating was concerned, men, being the visual creatures that we are, chose to have babies with a woman not based on how compatible we were with her, but on the way she looked. That’s just the way evolution works. Dating is a part of our society today, but hasn’t always been so. How compatible your personalities were was insignificant thousands of years ago. What a fool.

And the fourth video was plain old stupid.d He obviously doesn’t know a thing about Christianity.
Click to expand...
It seemed to me that it was this preacher’s point of view that one should not hit their wife and that no situations arise like what the koran describes as a reasonable way to hit one’s wife. I don’t think that is the way that all Muslims interpret the Koran. In my opinion, it’s a very flawed set of documents.

I’ve never had a problem with the way most Muslim women wear modest clothing and head scarves though. That doesn’t really seem oppresive to me. Many Christian women choose to wear modest clothing as well. In western society, at least, they don’t have to wear them if they don’t want to. I don’t really like the birkas though. I honestly think they look scary. Sort of like evil ninjas or something.

I disagree with your assumptions about early humanity. I’m pretty sure that as long as human beings have been made in God’s image (which is forever) we have had souls. I’m sure that those souls have played a part in the choosing of a spouse from the very begining. I think that people who intentionally dress in a provocative way truely are attempting to rise “unnatural attractions” in the opposite sex, not the true love that children of God are called to…
 
@Jakasaki: Under one of the videos that I watched, there was a comment that read “R.I.P. Sheikh Khalid Yasin”. That comment got a couple of likes. I didn’t really investigate any further into the matter and have assumed he was dead. I guess he isn’t. Oh well, good news for me. I’m going to try and find his email and send him a very strongly worded message.

According to Islam, Muhammad was the perfect example of mankind, and each and every Muslim should strive to live their life the same way he lived his. However, Muhammad was no saint, and I laugh when people try to make him out to be some “Jesus-clone” based on a few obscure anecdotes.

"Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son’s wife. On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world’s most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history".

I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t like Islam. But I also know there are a ton of good Muslims out there. Anyways, if there is someone out there that would like to see the differences between Christ and Muhammad, here is something you may wanna look at. Although I’m sure many people will make counter-arguments, I’m sure all of us can agree that the information is largely valid:

thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm
 
zimba said:
Originally posted by jakasaki

There is a hadith that Mohamad hit Aisha, his child bride in the chest… and it caused her much pain.

Here is the link to the hadith to clear the issue.

letmeturnthetables.com/2011/03/muhammad-beat-aisha.html#more
Click to expand...
I’m not going to read someone’s blog site regarding the matter:

It is written, Mohamad left the house late one night. Aisha was curious & followed him.

He realized he was being followed as he was goint to a grave or cemetary. He started to head home and Aisha ran home.

He was furious that she followed him - he punched her in the chest and caused her “much pain”
 
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people):

Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A’isha who had narrated this:

Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep.

He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly.

I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi’. He stood there and he stood for a long time.

He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps.

He ran and I too ran.

He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house).

I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A’isha, that you are out of breath?

I said: There is nothing.

He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me.

I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story).

He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes.

He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?

She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me.

He called me and he concealed it from you.

I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed.

I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened.

He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi’ (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them.

I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)?

He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

(Book #004, Hadith #2127)

Sahih Muslim

 
And yet the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the truth)!
( سورة البروج , Al-Burooj, Chapter #85, Verse #19)
 
zimba said:
And yet the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the truth)!
( سورة البروج , Al-Burooj, Chapter #85, Verse #19)
Click to expand...
Unbeliever…??? Rejecting what truth…???

I quoted the whole hadith from your own books from an islamic web site.

If you don’t like the hadith, it’s not my problem.

Aisha clearly stated:

He struck me on the chest which caused me pain
 
zimba said:
And yet the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the truth)!
Click to expand...
lol

I lived in the ME for several years and have seen what happens when islam is the dominant religion.

islam’s truth is a lie.
 
JHow said:
I noticed this little gem from jakasaki’s post…

Odd little factoid to include in one’s ad-copy, n’est-ce pas?
Click to expand...
In the past ten years, the ITI has delivered more than 5000 persons to Islam and an additional 1,476 since the September 11 Attacks.
Click to expand...
Re-quoting the above:

We have no idea when that article was written. It’s going to be 10 years for 9/11 and as far as I’m concerned, I don’t take those numbers seriously.
 
jakasaki said:
…We have no idea when that article was written. It’s going to be 10 years for 9/11 and as far as I’m concerned, I don’t take those numbers seriously.
Click to expand...
I wasn’t so much concerned with the numbers as the perception that the date itself serves as some sort of important marker for the author. Did the business of making muslim converts get suddenly better (or more difficult?) after 9/11? It means something to somebody, or they wouldn’t have included it in the text. It just seems odd to me.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top