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Muhammed was no a prophet from God…he may have even been demon-possessed.
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Example of pedophilia:*
For his third wife, Muhammed married a nine year-old girl named Aisha. (She was apparently his “favorite,” too.)

A passage from the Hadith, volume 1, book 1, chapter 1, shows that Muhammad himself believed he was under demonic influence, but it notes that Muhammad’s wife is the one who deemed his experience as “divine.”

The highest level of Muslim heaven is reserved for those who “shed blood.”(Hadith 135)

“Slay the enemy where you find him” (Surah 9.92)

Muhammad himself led 83 military expeditions. He said that if Muslim converts to something else, to kill him.

Here is the story told by Muhammad’s wet-nurse, related in Guillaume’s translation of Ibn Ishaq, page 72:
"His [Muhammad’s friend’s] father said to me, “I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears. … She [Muhammad’s mother] asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her. When she asked if I feared a demon had possessed him, I replied that I did.”

Who (or what) was this spirit that called itself “Gabriel”?

Some odd things to consider:

1)Non-Muslims called “Gabriel” Satan.

Bukhari 2.225:

…Gabriel did not come to the Prophet (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, “His Satan has deserted him.” …
  1. “Gabriel” is the “Holy Spirit” ?
Bukhari 8.173

Narrated Abu Salama bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf:

… “O Abu- Huraira! I beseech you by Allah (to tell me). Did you hear Allah’s Apostle saying’ ‘O Hassan ! Reply on behalf of Allah’s Apostle. O Allah ! Support him (Hassan) with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel).’?” Abu Huraira said, “Yes.”
  1. Aisha could not see Gabriel.
Bukhari 4.440

'Aisha said that the Prophet said to her “O ‘Aisha’ This is Gabriel and he sends his (greetings) salutations to you.” 'Aisha said, "Salutations … and addressing the Prophet she said, “You see what I don’t see.”
  1. “Gabriel” won’t go into a house with a dog or a picture.
Bukhari 4.450

Once Gabriel promised the Prophet (that he would visit him, but Gabriel did not come) and later on he said, “We, angels, do not enter a house which contains a picture or a dog.”

5)“Gabriel” doesn’t know genetics.

Bukhari 4.546

When 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, “I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle” Allah’s Apostle said, “Gabriel has just now told me of their answers.”

…As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her. …"
  1. Other people recognize “Gabriel” as a person they knew.
Bukhari 4.827

…Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet and then left. The Prophet said to Um Salama, “(Do you know) who it was?” (or a similar question). She said, “It was Dihya (a handsome person amongst the companions of the Prophet ).” Later on Um Salama said, “By Allah! I thought he was none but Dihya, till I heard the Prophet talking about Gabriel in his sermon.” …
  1. “Gabriel” was responsible for the massacre and enslavement of a Jewish tribe.
Gabriel urges Muhammad to go and attack the Jews of Bani Quraiza. This action ended with about 800 prisoners of war being massacred, and thousands of Jewish women and children being enslaved by Muhammad.

Bukhari 5.448

… When the Prophet returned from the (battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and laid down his arms and took a bath Gabriel came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and said, “You have laid down the arms?” By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them)." The Prophet said, “Where?” Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraiza. So Allah’s Apostle went to them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered to the Prophet’s judgment but he directed them to Sad to give his verdict concerning them. Sad said, “I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.”

8)Other Muslims also failed to recognize Gabriel.

Regarding the massacre of the Jews, here is the quote from “The Life of Muhammad”, page 461. Note here that these men also recognized this “Gabriel” as the same person Um Salama saw him as - “Dihya”! Why did Gabriel take this merchant’s form twice?

"According to what al-Zuhri told me, at the time of the noon prayers Gabriel came to the apostle wearing an embroidered turban and riding on a mule with a saddle covered with a piece of brocade. … The apostle passed by a number of his companions in al-Saurayn before he got to the B. Qurayza and asked if anyone had passed them. They replied that Dihya b. Khalifa al-Kalbi had passed upon a white mule with a saddle covered with a piece of brocade. He said, “That was Gabriel who has been sent to B. Qurayza to shake their castles and strike terror to their hearts.”
  1. Khadija couldn’t see Gabriel, but Muhammad could.
Ref. page 107 of “The Life of Muhammad”.
  1. Gabriel prayed for Muhammad to be healed, but Muhammad wasn’t healed.
From the Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol. 1, page 265

The apostle of Allah fell ill and he i.e. Gabriel, chanted on him, saying, “In the name of Allah I chant on to ward off from you every thing that harms you and (to ward off you) against every envier and from every evil eye and Allah will heal you.”
 
This is pretty far beyond the pale, as far as charity is concerned. Disagreements with Islam are plenty on this forum, but it is best to pick some concrete aspect upon which you can build a cohesive rebuttal based on Christian principles. In this way, you can provide some sort of counterpoint to Islamic claims without being needlessly sensationalistic or hurtful. Remember that Muslims, no matter how much in error we think them to be, believe in their faith as deeply as we do, and have the same human dignity as the rest of us. We ought to respect it, even if we don’t agree with their faith. A big list of bad behavior from Muhammad with no real point to it doesn’t show anyone anything.
 
This is pretty far beyond the pale, as far as charity is concerned. Disagreements with Islam are plenty on this forum, but it is best to pick some concrete aspect upon which you can build a cohesive rebuttal based on Christian principles. In this way, you can provide some sort of counterpoint to Islamic claims without being needlessly sensationalistic or hurtful. Remember that Muslims, no matter how much in error we think them to be, believe in their faith as deeply as we do, and have the same human dignity as the rest of us. We ought to respect it, even if we don’t agree with their faith. A big list of bad behavior from Muhammad with no real point to it doesn’t show anyone anything.
** Good work, dzhereme, There is a Hadith from our Prophet:

Once the Prophet Muhammad said to some one, “Do not abuse your parents.”

The person asked, “How could any one abuse his parents? That is impossible !”

The Prophet replied, " It is possible. When you will abuse any one’s parents, he will abuse your parents."**
 
what your wrote only makes my belief in Islam stronger. thank you
 
I believe we are all made in the image of God. That includes my muslim brothers and sisters. The thread title is offensive and I want to assure my muslim brothers and sisters here is not a view held by me or any of my catholic and noncatholic friends.
 
I don’t mean to be offensive or hateful. I admit that I am far from perfect, and that hindsight is always 20/20. I was just trying to let people see the view of some former Muslims who convert to Christianity.
I was too harsh and came off the wrong way. I did get carried away a little bit, and I am sorry. It is a controversial thing, and I used the title to capture readers’ attention.
(God knows my heart and that I meant well. Paul said that anybody who denies Christ is anti-Christ.)

However, this information I found from former Muslims who have converted to Christianity.

Ergun Mehmet Caner:
(D. Min., Emmanuel University; Th. D., University of South Africa)

and his brother,

Emir Fethi Caner:
(Ph.D., University of Texas)

If, however, refusing to deny Christ makes me unpopular here, then so be it. I see Muhammed as a false prophet.
 
I used to think that about the Catholic Church myself to be honest.
 
One time I saw a KKK (who claimed he was Christian) member making fun of a woman. I told him that he was doing the work of Satan.

Does that make me wrong?

Should I respect his beliefs? No.
Or what about Anton Szandor LaVey?

SHould I “respect his beliefs” because I don’t want to hurt his feelings?

Now, I wasn’t judging the kkk guy. I simply told him that he was in error. I have told my Muslims friends in real life the same thing, that I feel Muhammed is a false prophet because he denies Christ.

TO truly love your neighbor means telling them the truth, even if it means that they hate you for it.

I just want to make clear that I am not attacking anybody. I am only attacking a false doctrine.

Why is it that atheists on this website attack God, and nobody says they are “offensive”, yet when I attack the false teachings of a false prophet, Christians defend him?

Am I wrong for openly denouncing anti-Christ teachings?

God will judge whether or not I am right.

Again, if I have hurt anyone, I am sorry. That was not my intention
 
I would feel sad for Christ, because He loves you.
I would also feel sad for you, because you thought this.
 
wow i dont know what to say:rolleyes:😃

you dont seem to have any other interest then talking about islam,why? just look at the threads,like 50% are about islam.Do you realize that it makes us muslims only stronger in our faith?
 
Only five of my posts talk about Islam, including this one.
 
Why is it that atheists on this website attack God, and nobody says they are “offensive”, yet when I attack the false teachings of a false prophet, Christians defend him?
Woah there, partner, nobody’s defending Muhammad (well, except Bosnian Muslim and Planten). Read the replies a little bit more carefully and you’ll see that so far everyone who is not Muslim has disagreed with your method of presenting your viewpoint, not with your actual opinion of the man. Of course Muhammad was a false prophet.
Am I wrong for openly denouncing anti-Christ teachings?
No, you’re not wrong, you’re just going about it in a way that makes us all look bad and helps to invalidate whatever good you could have done while making the same objections in a less deliberately inflammatory way.
 
Why is it that atheists on this website attack God, and nobody says they are “offensive”, yet when I attack the false teachings of a false prophet, Christians defend him?
:console:

You are right about the atheists part, but I think some Christians found the title somehow offensive, when you say Islam = Satan, it means Islam is 100% Satanic religion, which is not true, there are some teachings of it which are good and there are others which are bad.
 
Hmm. Think about it this way: Islam says God exists, we Christians just have the wrong idea of Him. Atheism says no God exists, in Islam or Christianity or anywhere. I think it might be easier to get offended by Islam because it seems like it specifically calls us out, whereas atheism does not specifically pick on the Christian idea of God (it often does, but those same atheists would also reject the gods of Islam, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, etc.)

Maybe? I don’t know.
 
Disgrace. Our Lady’s message from Medjugorie was to respect all religions. We must never hate anyone, despise them, reject them or in anyway mistreat them. Especially not for religious reasons. How horrible that this thread is allowed to stand. This is no more than hate-mongering. What of God’s promise to Abraham concerning his son by Agar (Haggar)?*
And God said to him: Let it not seem grievous to thee for the boy, and for thy bondwoman: in all that Sara hath said to thee, hearken to her voice: for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 But I will make the son also of the bondwoman a great nation, because he is thy seed.*
As for Haggar/Agar - Why did he send an angel to her and her child to rescue them out of the desert?. Did he not promise to make him a nation? Are Muslims not the descendants of Abraham through Haggar’s child?
*And God heard the voice of the boy: and an angel of God called to Agar from heaven, saying: What art thou doing, Agar? fear not: for God hath heard the voice of the boy, from the place wherein he is. 18 Arise, take up the boy, and hold him by the hand: for I will make him a great nation. *
You have written quite a bit - a long message. I did not read it all. Perhaps you are very knowledgeable. but beware lest your knowledge trap you - let your true knowledge come from the Lord. Remember he has said in 1 Corinthians 13:13
And now there remain faith, hope, and LOVE, these three: but the greatest of these is LOVE.
About knowledge he has also said in 1 Cor 13:2:
… if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
NOTHING. WITHOUT . LOVE.
Hate has no place in Jesus Christ’s plan for his children. Love is the only way - no matter what you do - LOVE is all that matters. God is love. Jesus is love. Love is the only path to our God. Ours has always been a religion of love, forgiveness and tolerance.

Jesus was tolerant - In John 8:7, when they brought to him the woman accused of adultery:
When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
and also:
*Woman, where are they that accused thee? Hath no man condemned thee?
  • Who said: No man, Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more*
    Your vision of Catholicism is very worldly, you see the surface not the inner heart of the people whom God loves. I will not sit in judgment of you since anyone can make a mistake. But don’t you remain in ignorance and sit in judgment on others.
Please remember - God’s way are not our ways. If he wants to save some of his children through Mohamed - then so be it. It is not for us to dictate to God how he should raise up his children.
Have you ever heard of Christian de Cherges? He gave his life to his church and God’s people, living as a monk in Algeria amongst the Muslims. He believed profoundly that both Catholics and Muslims worship the SAME God. He believed that God loves his Muslim children and so he (C. de Clerges) loved them also. In return, the Muslims came to love him as well. Isn’t this a much better way? Your way leads to fear, anger, separation and potentially - WAR.

Tragically, Christian de Clerges was killed by ignorant Islamic fundamentalists. Yet - what is the difference between an Islamic fundamentalist and a Christian one? Those Islamic assassins, were also very informed and full of feelings and ideas. But they are motivated by hate and not love. As a Catholic, I have always been taught that God wants us to love each other. It is a law. He wants us to love him above all else. The fact is - since you are not God you just simply do not know! So don’t say anything, until you get to Heaven and see that all the Muslims are in hell. If, when you die and IF you go to Heaven you see such a thing, then you will know that God hates his 1 billion Muslims children and killed all of their souls. But you know what? In my opinion, you will never witness this - since I am convinced all good, sinless Muslims will go in love and joy to Heaven to see our God who adores and cherishes us all. Please refrain from poisoning this beautiful site with fear, judgment, hate and limits. God has no limit, he is unlimited love, power, glory, wonder. Remember - 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.
 
Well I also think that Charity is important but if some christian make some rude remarks against a cult then i do not blame them,because this cult members repeatedly preach Christians and others as the people of Satan,and they also preach that,worshiping Lord Jesus is the way of Satan.So I really do not blame the Christians who lose the so called charity.because if the cult members openly can abuse Christian faith again and again by saying Christianity is Satanic,then I think it is fair if a christian post some threads what is considered to be uncharitable.because so called charity is not useful always.And no one should make mistake with this biblical teaching," love your enemy".Extreme love to enemy can be harmful.
 
** Good work, dzhereme, There is a Hadith from our Prophet:

Once the Prophet Muhammad said to some one, “Do not abuse your parents.”

The person asked, “How could any one abuse his parents? That is impossible !”

The Prophet replied, " It is possible. When you will abuse any one’s parents, he will abuse your parents."**
Planten,it is better if you do not post hadith because you do not believe it.and ya i agree with your prophet.but your prophet also abused other peoples religion by declaring them as the way of satan.I do not know why your prophet’s works were too much contradictory and disturbing.It really suprised me.So according to your hadith if you will abuse other’s parent then he will also abuse your parents.good very good.i really praise the hadith.so now tell your muslim brothers not to abuse christian and their faith repeatedly by saying christianity as the religion of satan or satanic way.then christian will not abuse your religion as reward of the nasty behaviors of muslims.But what can i say?muslim are follower of muhammed,and muhamed was the number one abuser who abused christianity by saying it as a pervert and satanic religion,or declared christisatans as profane and satan leaded people who worship jesus as son of God.Why did your prophet teach that worshiping jesus as God is Satanic?were not his teachings abusive to other peoples faith?so since muhammed was the greatest abuser so it is natural that his followers will be abusive to other religions. what can i expect from the followers of such a man who only can spread hate and lie against God?So it will be better if your muslim brothers follow the hadith.then post it for us.
 
Planten,it is better if you do not post hadith because you do not believe it.and ya i agree with your prophet.but your prophet also abused other peoples religion by declaring them as the way of satan.I do not know why your prophet’s works were too much contradictory and disturbing.It really suprised me.So according to your hadith if you will abuse other’s parent then he will also abuse your parents.good very good.i really praise the hadith.so now tell your muslim brothers not to abuse christian and their faith repeatedly by saying christianity as the religion of satan or satanic way.then christian will not abuse your religion as reward of the nasty behaviors of muslims.But what can i say?muslim are follower of muhammed,and muhamed was the number one abuser who abused christianity by saying it as a pervert and satanic religion,or declared christians as profane and satan leaded people who worship jesus as son of God.Why did your prophet teach that worshiping jesus as God is Satanic?were not his teachings abusive to other peoples faith?so since muhammed was the greatest abuser so it is natural that his followers will be abusive to other religions. what can i expect from the followers of such a man who only can spread hate and lie against God?So it will be better if your muslim brothers follow the hadith.then post it for us.
I want to add something in my previous post.Planten,still have time, try to control your people.Then all hatred towards Islam will be ended.But you know your peoples don’t think as you think about others" faith…All Muslims (except you or perhaps some people like you who are few in number) think that Christianity and other religions are the path of Iblis Satan so they(other religions) must be destroyed.
 
I want to add something in my previous post.Planten,still have time, try to control your people.Then all hatred towards Islam will be ended.But you know your peoples don’t think as you think about others" faith…All Muslims (except you or perhaps some people like you who are few in number) think that Christianity and other religions are the path of Iblis Satan so they(other religions) must be destroyed.
Planten may espouse niceties toward Christians on these forums, and he may genuinely feel that way, but as a Muslim, he is still bound to believe that all non-Muslims are going to hell.
  1. What about non-Muslims do; they go to heaven?
    Ans: Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Quran: “Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won’t be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter”. I would rather lose anywhere, but not lose in the hereafter. This is because hellfire is eternal. It never ends and we never die when we go there, if we go there.
    Source: www.sultan.org
    islamicfinder.org/faq/list.php#39
  2. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. muttaqun.com/quran/e/nobe003.htm
Of course there is also this verse which he will undoubtedly point to:
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Surah 2 Verse 62
So I guess Muslims can pick and choose which verse to use about whether a non-Muslim will go to Heaven or not based on how they feel about that person. 😛
 
Planten,it is better if you do not post hadith because you do not believe it.and ya i agree with your prophet.but your prophet also abused other peoples religion by declaring them as the way of satan.I do not know why your prophet’s works were too much contradictory and disturbing.It really suprised me.So according to your hadith if you will abuse other’s parent then he will also abuse your parents.good very good.i really praise the hadith.so now tell your muslim brothers not to abuse christian and their faith repeatedly by saying christianity as the religion of satan or satanic way.then christian will not abuse your religion as reward of the nasty behaviors of muslims.But what can i say?muslim are follower of muhammed,and muhamed was the number one abuser who abused christianity by saying it as a pervert and satanic religion,or declared christisatans as profane and satan leaded people who worship jesus as son of God.Why did your prophet teach that worshiping jesus as God is Satanic?were not his teachings abusive to other peoples faith?so since muhammed was the greatest abuser so it is natural that his followers will be abusive to other religions. what can i expect from the followers of such a man who only can spread hate and lie against God?So it will be better if your muslim brothers follow the hadith.then post it for us.
**Sam, Please do not look for excuses and do not blame our prophet. Because we see some abuse in bibleNT too when Jesus abused the people of that time. He called them evil generation, sons of vipers etc. Muhammad did not abuse Christianity altogether.

he said about the christians that they are very good people. There are saints and monks who lay their life for God.

he said that some of the people of the book are very good, while others are averse. That is what we see here.

I feel that if one of your christian friend is getting out of control then please try to control him/her. If any Muslim says something bad, try to rebuke him. That will be the good way. No need to look for excuses to blame our prophet.**
 
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