Islam = satan

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I am not Sam,planten! Sam is Sam_777 and we are not the same person!!
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Because we see some abuse in bibleNT too when Jesus abused the people of that time. He called them evil generation, sons of vipers etc. altogether. .**
The people didn’t believe him although he showed lot’s of miracles and proved himself as son of God,and perhaps that’s why he called them as sons of viper.And the same peoples( like king Ahab,or others like him) tortured many prophets, but I think Jesus didn’t say to it to real good peoples of God.But Your Muhammed Always addressed non Muslims as kafir, Christians are misguided .Read Sura fatiha again.He started his sura fatiha by cursing peoples. And you know the rest of Surah,specially Sura tawba.I will not repeat the verses again. By the way will you use Jesus’ name always when you want to disprove our claims about Muhammed? Even if those claims(about Muhammed) are not abusive,or insulting? Was my post offensive to your prophet, or insulting? I was just trying to say that Muslims must have to change their mind to others, and then Christians will not lose self control. But you see I never said any of my previous three posts that Christians should continue abusing your prophet, I just said that I can’t blame them because all men have limits of tolerance.But still if you find offense in my post then please inform me,I will avoid it in future.But please do not say that disbelief is same to dishonor.Anyway If you want to prove Jesus as abuser or bad man then it’s better if you post a thread another thread. Why do you always use Jesus’ name if anything goes against you?
** Muhammad did not abuse Christianity
he said about the Christians that they are very good people. There are saints and monks who lay their life for God. .**
Really? Show me where he said so.
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he said that some of the people of the book are very good, while others are averse. That is what we see here. .**
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Who are those “some people of the book” planten?Who accepted Muhammed as prophet and denied trinity?😉
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I feel that if one of your christian friend is getting out of control then please try to control him/her. If any Muslim says something bad, try to rebuke him. That will be the good way. No need to look for excuses to blame our prophet. **
I hope you know that all Christians are not my personal friends and all of them will not follow my advice.But as I said before I was just trying to say,we must work together to prevent the abusers. If Muslims will change there offensive behavior and stop preaching repeatedly that Christianity or /and all non Muslim religion are Satan leaded way.Be honest planten, do you deny that almost all Muslims think that all non Muslims are Satan leaded peoples? Ya as I said few peoples like you or some others’ are different, and they are few in numbers. And I also said that All abuses will stop if Muslims can show few respect to non Muslim( not only here but muslims have to show respect everywhere,and they will have to stop preaching non Muslim religions are satanic).And i blamed your prophet because your scripture are full of hate and teachings of violence.**And at past you informed me that it is not abuse if we said that Koran is full of violence and hateful teaching,but calling Muhammed pedophile,or rapist etc etc are **clear abuse,so i hope you didn’t change your stance about abuse.But recently if you have changed your view point of abuse then let us know. if you think that showing the mistakes or hateful and violent teachings of Koran(written by Muhammed) are also a kind of abuse,then please inform us.
 
Then please post the appropriate verse. I posted two of them - each saying the opposite. which am I to believe?
again and again…when you read the word “islam” in the Quran , it means Submission to the will of God. you will also read in the Quran that Abraham and Moses for examples were muslims… in Arabic “he was a submitter” = “he was a muslim”.

here are some verses:

4:122 But as for those who believe and do good works, We shall bring them into gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. It is a promise from Allah in truth ; and who can be more truthful than Allah in utterance?

4:123 It will not be in accordance with your desires, nor the desires of the People of the Scripture. He who doeth wrong will have the recompense thereof, and will not find against Allah any protecting friend or helper.

4:124 And whoso doeth good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone.

4:125 Who is better in religion than he who surrendereth (arabic:Aslama) his purpose to Allah while doing good and followeth the tradition of Abraham, the upright? Allah (Himself) chose Abraham for friend.

read these verses in context, 122-124 describes the promise of God to the believers and then it says it’s not the wish of the Muslims (capital m) to decide who enters heaven. nor the desire of the people of the book… God punishes the wrong doers and rewards the ones who do good works (people of the book included in this verse). 125 is the key verse, it describes the religion “islam” with (small i).(that’s why you read the other verse, (Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won’t be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter")…and as someone said before, there is only one religion , islam … but there is Moses’s shariah , Jesus’ Shariah and Mohammd’s shariah.

here are some more verses

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are wicked.

3:113 Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.

3:114They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.

3:115 Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

5:66 If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.

in the next verse, Allah didn’t say these groups of people will go straight to hell, instead, they will be judged. so there is a chance they will be saved

22:17 Lo! those who believe (this Revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters–Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.
 
again and again…when you read the word “islam” in the Quran , it means Submission to the will of God. you will also read in the Quran that Abraham and Moses for examples were muslims… in Arabic “he was a submitter” = “he was a muslim”.

here are some verses:

4:122 But as for those who believe and do good works, We shall bring them into gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. It is a promise from Allah in truth ; and who can be more truthful than Allah in utterance?

4:123 It will not be in accordance with your desires, nor the desires of the People of the Scripture. He who doeth wrong will have the recompense thereof, and will not find against Allah any protecting friend or helper.

4:124 And whoso doeth good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone.

4:125 Who is better in religion than he who surrendereth (arabic:Aslama) his purpose to Allah while doing good and followeth the tradition of Abraham, the upright? Allah (Himself) chose Abraham for friend.

read these verses in context, 122-124 describes the promise of God to the believers and then it says it’s not the wish of the Muslims (capital m) to decide who enters heaven. nor the desire of the people of the book… God punishes the wrong doers and rewards the ones who do good works (people of the book included in this verse). 125 is the key verse, it describes the religion “islam” with (small i).(that’s why you read the other verse, (Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won’t be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter")…and as someone said before, there is only one religion , islam … but there is Moses’s shariah , Jesus’ Shariah and Mohammd’s shariah.

here are some more verses

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are wicked.

3:113 Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.

3:114They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.

3:115 Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

5:66 If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.

in the next verse, Allah didn’t say these groups of people will go straight to hell, instead, they will be judged. so there is a chance they will be saved

22:17 Lo! those who believe (this Revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters–Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.
So, according to all these verses, Christians and Jews are considered muslims (small “m” - submitters to God) since we submit ourselves to God and can go to Heaven (by the grace of God, of course. 😉 )?

Okay, I can live with that! 🙂
 
I think some Christians found the title somehow offensive, when you say Islam = Satan, it means Islam is 100% Satanic religion
This is an offensively title but i am sure very catchy in this world.

Catholics who are the hosts of this forum would be very offended as all Catholics believe Islamic religion is the same G-d as they worship.

By title alone one could impy Catholics worship satan.
 
So, according to all these verses, Christians and Jews are considered muslims (small “m” - submitters to God) since we submit ourselves to God and can go to Heaven (by the grace of God, of course. 😉 )?

Okay, I can live with that! 🙂
hmmm … It’s a difficult question and it doesn’t have yes or no answer.

but I assure you ,many Muslims are not really “Muslims” both capital M and small m:)

Yes by grace of God.

There is story I heard as a child…and it goes like this…there was righteous man who was worshiping God continuously for five hundred years. He lived in a mountain and never stopped worshiping God. One day he asked God that when his moment of death comes, he wishes to die while prostrating to Him . God granted him his wish and the man died in this state, praying to God. And when he met God , God says “let this righteous man enter Heaven by my grace” and the man responds" no, by my works" and God said " let this righteous man enter Heaven by my grace" and the man kept saying “no , by my works”. and then God said to the angels “measure the gift of sight given to this man” and it weighted the amount of five hundred years of worship. So God said , “let him enter Hell”. and when he was about to enter Hell, the man said " no ,but by your grace". and God asked him, I created you and nurtured you , was that by your deeds or my grace, the man responded, by your grace. and finally the man entered Heaven…it says that all things are under God’s grace.
 
hmmm … It’s a difficult question and it doesn’t have yes or no answer.

but I assure you ,many Muslims are not really “Muslims” both capital M and small m:)

Yes by grace of God.

There is story I heard as a child…and it goes like this…there was righteous man who was worshiping God continuously for five hundred years. He lived in a mountain and never stopped worshiping God. One day he asked God that when his moment of death comes, he wishes to die while prostrating to Him . God granted him his wish and the man died in this state, praying to God. And when he met God , God says “let this righteous man enter Heaven by my grace” and the man responds" no, by my works" and God said " let this righteous man enter Heaven by my grace" and the man kept saying “no , by my works”. and then God said to the angels “measure the gift of sight given to this man” and it weighted the amount of five hundred years of worship. So God said , “let him enter Hell”. and when he was about to enter Hell, the man said " no ,but by your grace". and God asked him, I created you and nurtured you , was that by your deeds or my grace, the man responded, by your grace. and finally the man entered Heaven…it says that all things are under God’s grace.
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I also think of something I read once (for the life of me I can’t remember where) where Blessed Mother was speaking to someone about 3 people, a Catholic, a Muslim and ??? and she told this person that the Muslim woman was best doing God’s Will. I don’t remember all the details, (and it was probably a private revelation so I don’t want to break forum rules and go into it too much), but I just remember that and that is part of the reason why I am not one of the people who believes that Muslims are all evil and are going to hell or other such nonsense. I truly believe with all my heart that Islam is false, that Jesus Christ is God - my Lord and Savior, but I leave all other judgments to God. 🙂
 
Who is the blessed Mother?
Mary, Mother of Jesus, Mother of God, Blessed Mother, Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), Theotokos

Also Virgin Mary, St. Mary, Madonna, Our Lady (i.e. Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadalupe)
 
Mary, Mother of Jesus, Mother of God, Blessed Mother, Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM),
That adds weight to claim the Islamic religion is the original religion of all the fore fathers.

I dont think Mary (bbhn) said what you say.

Maybe some one else did?

If Mary (bbhn) spake of Muslims how come Jesus (pbwh) did not?
 
That adds weight to claim the Islamic religion is the original religion of all the fore fathers.

I dont think Mary (bbhn) said what you say.

Maybe some one else did?

If Mary (bbhn) spake of Muslims how come Jesus (pbwh) did not?
No, this was a recent private revelation. (maybe Medjugorje ??? I honestly don’t remember where I read it, but it was definitely a recent apparition).

Her approved apparitions (i.e. Fatima, Lourdes, Guadalupe etc) also refute the Muslim claim that when we are dead, that’s it - the dead can’t hear us etc.)
 
No, this was a recent private revelation. (maybe Medjugorje ??? I honestly don’t remember where I read it, but it was definitely a recent apparition).

Her approved apparitions (i.e. Fatima, Lourdes, Guadalupe etc) also refute the Muslim claim that when we are dead, that’s it - the dead can’t hear us etc.)
Ok i see where you are now, i was coming from then perspective.
Good luck
 
I only said that** Islam** is false. I never said anything bad about Muslims.

Yes, of course Muslims can be saved, but it will be Christ who saves them.
There will be people who don’t even know Christ, and He will save them.
Then there will be people who say they are Christian, and Christ will reply,
“I never knew you!”

My point of this thread is this:
Since satan cannot exalt himself above God in reality, he fools people into worshiping him.
 
. I never said anything bad about Muslims.
Ok then you think this is good
Example of pedophilia:
For his third wife, Muhammed married a nine year-old girl named Aisha. (She was apparently his “favorite,” too.)
Your last statement of your last post was the best you have offered
Since satan cannot exalt himself above God in reality, he fools people into worshipping him.
My knowledge of Islamic religion practice is they specifically rebuke satan and invoke protection from him.
 
I only said that** Islam** is false. I never said anything bad about Muslims.

Yes, of course Muslims can be saved, but it will be Christ who saves them.
There will be people who don’t even know Christ, and He will save them.
Then there will be people who say they are Christian, and Christ will reply,
“I never knew you!”

My point of this thread is this:
Since satan cannot exalt himself above God in reality, he fools people into worshiping him.
Satan …created a monotheistic religion that has over one billion followers praying 5 times a day to the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob…

Satan …created a religion where its followers say “I seek refuge in God from Satan, the accursed” at least 5 times a day and each time they read the Quran.

Satan…created a religion where its followers are commanded to give charity and fast and help the poor and needy , respect the parents , respect the neighbors. abstain from illegal drugs and sex, lead moral life…

God should reward Satan for doing that…

A3utho bi Allah min Alshitaan Alrajeem
I seek refuge in God from Satan, the accursed
 
It only takes one drop of falsehood to poison an entire lake of truth.

Satan himself can even appear as an angel of light.
He may acknowledge many truths, but the most important he denies.
 
No, this was a recent private revelation. (maybe Medjugorje ??? I honestly don’t remember where I read it, but it was definitely a recent apparition).

Her approved apparitions (i.e. Fatima, Lourdes, Guadalupe etc) also refute the Muslim claim that when we are dead, that’s it - the dead can’t hear us etc.)
what? i thought that when u r dead you can still hear? (im pretty sure this is a muslim belief as well)

wasalam
 
what? i thought that when u r dead you can still hear? (im pretty sure this is a muslim belief as well)

wasalam
You can - which is why we ask the saints and Blessed Mother for their intercession, but Muslims do not believe this.
It is a common concept among some scholars[1] and others that the dead in their graves have the ability of hearing a visitor’s greeting, his supplication, talk, etc… Such a concept is unfounded, for it has no proof from clear texts of the divine shari’ah. In fact, it is in open contradiction to the unchallengeable texts of the Quran and the authentic traditions of the Prophet (saws) which deny the possibility of the dead possessing this faculty.
PROOF FROM THE QUR’AN AND THE SUNNAH NEGATING IT
There are two unequivocal texts from the Qur’an which deny the possibility of the dead in their graves possessing the faculty of hearing. Allah, the Blessed and Exalted, states :
“Verily you cannot make the dead hear and you can not make the deaf hear the call when they turn their backs and retreat.” [Surah an-Naml 27:80]
“The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.” [Surah Fatir 35:22]
 
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