Islam supports religious freedom than Catholic

[Semper_Fi_1]

Ortho:

That’s interesting. Saudi Arabia is the country whose legal code is closest to Sharia law.

Did you mean Saudi? If you did not mean Saudi, can you tell us what country you did mean?

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there is more than one Muslim country under Islamic Sharia law.

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

even if what you claim is true, which i dont think it is, it’s still part of Islamic Sharia law. not collecting this or forcing this tax on Christians who live in Islamic countries (who had lived there before Islam became the majority religion) would render these countries non-Islamic if they didn’t.

How would you know if it is true or not? Who told you it is collected? Who pays it? Where?

OK. Then there are no Islamic countries by your definition since none collect the tax.

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

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there is more than one Muslim country under Islamic Sharia law.

There are elements of Sharia in many countries’ legal codes. Some have more. Some have less. Which coutries did you mean? Did you mean Saudi Arabia?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Ortho:

There are elements of Sharia in many countries’ legal codes. Some have more. Some have less. Which coutries did you mean? Did you mean Saudi Arabia?

no, i meant islamic countries in general.

 

[r.gonzales]

Semper Fi:

no, i meant islamic countries in general.

name some. and please note that there is a difference between a “muslim” country and an “islamic” one.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

r.gonzales:

name some. and please note that there is a difference between a “muslim” country and an “islamic” one.

islamic = country ruled by sharia. and i know the distinction. turkey for instance is (now) a muslim nation and wouldn’t be classified as an islamic nation.

 

[r.gonzales]

Semper Fi:

islamic = country ruled by sharia.

again, name some…

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

no, i meant islamic countries in general.

Ortho wrote:
“I paid zero taxes for all the years I lived in Islamic countries. There are six million foreign workers in Saudi Arabia. They pay zero tax.”

SemperFi wrote:
“If you are a citizen of these countries and Christian, you will pay a tax.”

Well, the tax you speak of is not collected in Islamic countries in general. Can you tell us where you think it is collected? It’s not collected in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Emirates, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, or Indonesia. What countries collect it?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Ortho:

Ortho wrote:
“I paid zero taxes for all the years I lived in Islamic countries. There are six million foreign workers in Saudi Arabia. They pay zero tax.”

SemperFi wrote:
“If you are a citizen of these countries and Christian, you will pay a tax.”

Well, the tax you speak of is not collected in Islamic countries in general. Can you tell us where you think it is collected? It’s not collected in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Emirates, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, or Indonesia. What countries collect it?

i don’t understand why you keep bringing up the fact that you weren’t taxed when you worked there as a foreigner. you weren’t a citizen of the country, so why would that matter? the fact remains, jizya is part of islamic sharia law.

 

[r.gonzales]

just name some islamic countries where its christian citizens pay taxes already… can’t be that hard can it?

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

i don’t understand why you keep bringing up the fact that you weren’t taxed when you worked there as a foreigner. you weren’t a citizen of the country, so why would that matter? the fact remains, jizya is part of islamic sharia law.

SemperFi wrote:
“If you are a citizen of these countries and Christian, you will pay a tax.”

Which countries do you mean?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

r.gonzales:

just name some islamic countries where its christian citizens pay taxes already… can’t be that hard can it?

i don’t know what you’re getting at here. even if there was zero, that wouldn’t mean that it still wasn’t part of sharia. all it would mean is that the “islamic” countries weren’t following islamic law. so again, what is your point?

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

i don’t know what you’re getting at here. even if there was zero, that wouldn’t mean that it still wasn’t part of sharia. all it would mean is that the “islamic” countries weren’t following islamic law.

Semper Fi wrote:
"even if what you claim is true, which i dont think it is, it’s still part of Islamic Sharia law. not collecting this or forcing this tax on Christians who live in Islamic countries (who had lived there before Islam became the majority religion) would render these countries non-Islamic if they didn’t."

If no country imposes this tax, are there any Islamic countries left in the world?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Ortho:

If no country imposes this tax, are there any Islamic countries left in the world?

they claim to be. it’s not up to me to judge whether or not they are.

 

[Ortho]

Semper Fi:

they claim to be. it’s not up to me to judge whether or not they are.

You did judge them. You said it would render them non-Islamic.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Ortho:

You did judge them. You said it would render them non-Islamic.

and when did i say this? i said they weren’t following islamic law to the key because it’s part of sharia.

jizya, as it’s currently explained by muslims seems like legalized extortion to me. muslim scholars claim that the tax is for protection of non-muslims since they are not required to participate in military service. sounds like flat out extortion.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

r.gonzales:

that’s because that’s the legislated punishment in islam for apostasy. however, that doesn’t change the fact that islam allows someone of another faith to keep that faith and is not to be forced to accept islam against his will.

From the religion which crucifies Christians, that is a bit unlikely​

assistnews.net/STORIES/2004/s04110038.htm

Given that Al-Hallaj was also crucified, I don’t suppose mere Christians are entitled to complain - al-Hallaj was a Muslim, after all.

How many crosses is this religion going to prepare for its victims, I wonder ?

 

[jimmy]

r.gonzales:

that’s because that’s the legislated punishment in islam for apostasy. however, that doesn’t change the fact that islam allows someone of another faith to keep that faith and is not to be forced to accept islam against his will.

But they have forced them to pay excess taxes though for not being muslim. It is not exactly religious freedom. Kill those who leave islam, tax those who were never part of islam.

 

[Darrel]

r.gonzales:

no. your comparison is still invalid.

lol,

Any reason? Or does it just feel a bit invalid? How can one deny the similarity between protestants having the authority of the bible and Islam having the authority of it’s book. We talk alot about ancient history but this comparison is relevant in the present. I think Islam will eventualy splinter as much as the protestants have. That is unless somebody pulls it all together. Lets face it the young people want there cable TV and high speed internet. The president of Iran is so afraid of this fact that he outlawed non Islamic music. Freedom of religion is coming to Islam one way or another.

bbcmusicmagazine.com/newsread.asp?id=16765

-D

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Darrel:

lol,

Any reason? Or does it just feel a bit invalid? How can one deny the similarity between protestants having the authority of the bible and Islam having the authority of it’s book. We talk alot about ancient history but this comparison is relevant in the present. I think Islam will eventualy splinter as much as the protestants have. That is unless somebody pulls it all together. Lets face it the young people want there cable TV and high speed internet. The president of Iran is so afraid of this fact that he outlawed non Islamic music. Freedom of religion is coming to Islam one way or another.

bbcmusicmagazine.com/newsread.asp?id=16765

-D

there already are about a dozen splinters of islam.