Islam: The Greatest Threat to Our Civilization

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In my order from Roman Catholic Bookswas a free CD titled Islam: The Score The Greatest Threat to Our Civilization by Dr. Srdja Trifkovic. Dr. Tifkovic is Foreign Affairs Editor for Chronicles magazine published by Rockford Institute.

Actually the CD given to me is the 30 minute bare-bones introduction to Islam. That alone was pretty clear & concise & informative. The series includes 3 other CDs

I. The Teaching: Muhammad, the Koran, the Sunna
II. The Fruits: Thirteen Centuries of Jihad
III. The Ambition: Infidel Submission

I recommend listening to even the 30 minute introduction.
 
I think that the worst is relativism, but, clearly, islam is the second. Greetings
 
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In my order from Roman Catholic Books was a free CD titled Islam: The Score The Greatest Threat to Our Civilization by Dr. Srdja Trifkovic. Dr. Tifkovic is Foreign Affairs Editor for Chronicles magazine published by Rockford Institute.

Actually the CD given to me is the 30 minute bare-bones introduction to Islam. That alone was pretty clear & concise & informative. The series includes 3 other CDs

I. The Teaching: Muhammad, the Koran, the Sunna
II. The Fruits: Thirteen Centuries of Jihad
III. The Ambition: Infidel Submission

I recommend listening to even the 30 minute introduction.
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Islam isnt a threat, until muslims start demanding shariah.
Then it will be a problem, like in India, where they are effectively realising and banning shariah, by they I mean “muslims”
 
Islam, when taken seriously by its adherents, is a most definite threat.
 
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Hospitaller:
Christianity, women, representative art, the Western World in general.
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Is this the same Islam of which Pope Benedict recently said
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2005/august/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20050820_meeting-muslims_en.html
The believer - and all of us, as Christians and Muslims, are believers - knows that, despite his weakness, he can count on the spiritual power of prayer.
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Dear friends, I am profoundly convinced that we must not yield to the negative pressures in our midst, but must affirm the values of mutual respect, solidarity and peace. The life of every human being is sacred, both for Christians and for Muslims. There is plenty of scope for us to act together in the service of fundamental moral values…
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During my Meeting last April with the delegates of Churches and Christian Communities and with representatives of the various religious traditions, I affirmed that “the Church wants to continue building bridges of friendship with the followers of all religions, in order to seek the true good of every person and of society as a whole” (L’Osservatore Romano, 25 April 2005, p. 4).
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Past experience teaches us that, unfortunately, relations between Christians and Muslims have not always been marked by mutual respect and understanding. How many pages of history record battles and wars that have been waged, with both sides invoking the Name of God, as if fighting and killing, the enemy could be pleasing to him. The recollection of these sad events should fill us with shame, for we know only too well what atrocities have been committed in the name of religion.
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The lessons of the past must help us to avoid repeating the same mistakes. We must seek paths of reconciliation and learn to live with respect for each other’s identity.
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Hospitaller,

Why is John Quincy Adams an expert on Islam? Why can’t you find a Muslim who says the same thing, if this is really a basic “precept” of Islam?

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
Hospitaller,

Why is John Quincy Adams an expert on Islam?
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How does it make one an expert to observe a basic tenet of a religion?
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Contarini:
Why can’t you find a Muslim who says the same thing, if this is really a basic “precept” of Islam?
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I can’t?

According to Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1368):

“. . . Jihad means to war against non-Muslims and is etymologically derived from the mujahada, signifying warfare to establish religion.” (p. 599, o9.0, Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law)

I just happen to like the way John Adams says it.
 
Well sir ,

First Jihad was prescribed in order for Muslims to be able to resent their faith and not enforce their faith . Thats why you have 10 Million Christianb copts in Egypt now .

Second. These days muslims do noyt need war tyo tell the world about their faith . The internet is all over. There is no compulsion in religion and what sort of true faith that forces people into it any way !!!

You can easily misinterpret Islam . All of our current problems with terorism and stuff is a political problems and it happens that some people use religion when they fight their political problems .

Peace
 
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meedo:
Well sir ,

First Jihad was prescribed in order for Muslims to be able to resent their faith and not enforce their faith .
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whether true or not, that doesn’t change the “kill or convert ethic”.
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meedo:
Thats why you have 10 Million Christianb copts in Egypt now .
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Miracle of miracles
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meedo:
Second. These days muslims do noyt need war tyo tell the world about their faith .
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Are you implying then, that at one point it was neccessary for Muslims to spread their religion by the sword?
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meedo:
You can easily misinterpret Islam .
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Thirteen or so centuries of Islamic thought would seem to support my interpretation.
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meedo:
All of our current problems with terorism and stuff is a political problems and it happens that some people use religion when they fight their political problems .
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Since when has that not been the case?
 
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hawk:
Islam isnt a threat, until muslims start demanding shariah.
Then it will be a problem, like in India, where they are effectively realising and banning shariah, by they I mean “muslims”
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Secularism and indifferentism is the greatest threat to any God fearing religion. Islam, in time will realize that we are not a threat to them and maybe leave us in peace.

StMarkEofE
 
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StMarkEofE:
Secularism and indifferentism is the greatest threat to any God fearing religion. Islam, in time will realize that we are not a threat to them and maybe leave us in peace.

StMarkEofE
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I’d love to believe that, but prior evidence would seem to suggest otherwise.
 
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Hospitaller:
How does it make one an expert to observe a basic tenet of a religion?
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It doesn’t. But you might consider consulting experts instead of a 19th-century Protestant politician who probably (if you cared to look) said even nastier things about Catholics.
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Hospitaller:
According to Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1368):

“. . . Jihad means to war against non-Muslims and is etymologically derived from the mujahada, signifying warfare to establish religion.” (p. 599, o9.0, Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law)
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But al-Misri does not say that Jihad is a perpetual obligation against all who deny that Muhammad is the Prophet. So no, so far you have still failed to substantiate the Adams quote with any trustworthy source.
I just happen to like the way John Adams says it.
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Of course you do, because it’s more inflammatory and far less accurate.

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
It doesn’t. But you might consider consulting experts instead of a 19th-century Protestant politician who probably (if you cared to look) said even nastier things about Catholics.
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What he said about Catholics does not concern me.
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Contarini:
But al-Misri does not say that Jihad is a perpetual obligation against all who deny that Muhammad is the Prophet. So no, so far you have still failed to substantiate the Adams quote with any trustworthy source.
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To begin with, I’ve established that *Jihad *is first and foremost warfare against non-muslims, but since you seem to need further proof I’ll be happy to oblige.

Further on in al-Misri’s Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, (rev. ed., trans. Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Beltsville, Maryland: Amana, 1994), we find this passage:

The caliph fights all other people until they become Muslim . . . because they are not a people of the Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) (though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol-worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (p. 603, o9.9).

It’s worth noting that this is entirely in accordance with mainstream Islamic thought throughout most of history.
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Contarini:
Of course you do, because it’s more inflammatory and far less accurate.
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Is that a personal attack?
 
Hello

Hospitaller brother , please dont suggest things that arent there.

Just use your mind.

If i point a gun at an innocent civilian right now and force him to be muslim. Is he a muslim!!! is this a faith!!!

Please undertstand that you wont know my faith better than i do .

"002.256
YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
PICKTHAL: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
SHAKIR: There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. "

Peace
 
Any one who wants to remain on his faith could just pay the Tax. It is levied on every Male , adult, capable , employed person . Not women and children or elderly or sick .

Muslims never forced anybody into their faith . The orthodox christins used to love muslims more than they loved the western church .

The arabs werent forced to become muslims teh arabs were told tthat in this land of arabia only believers can live in this land. We didnt lock up people and kill them .

peace
 
meedo said:
"002.256
YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
PICKTHAL: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
SHAKIR: There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. "

Please undertstand that you wont know my faith better than i do
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Do you? How well do they?

Ibn Hazm:
"The prophet Muhammad did not accept from the arab heathens less than islam or the sword. This is compulsion of faith. No compulsion in faith (or religion) applies only to Christians or jews because they are not to be forced to embrace the religion. They have the option either to embrace islam, the sword, or to pay the poll-tax. In this case they can keep their own faith. It was truly said on the authority of the apostle of God that there is no compulsion in the faith.
“When the sacred months elapse, kill those who associate other gods with God, wherever you find them” (Surah 9:5).

Abu Bakr El Sadiq
“God—to whom belong the might and exaltation—has sent Muhammad with this religion for which he fought until people entered this religion by hook or by crook.”

The Imam al-Shafi’i
“The apostle of God defeated the people until they entered islam by hook or by crook.”
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The Jalalan:
“The chapter of Repentance was revealed to raise the level of security which the infidels enjoyed because Muhammad had earlier made a covenant with them not to kill them. After that, this verse was given (9:5) in order to free God and Muhammad from any covenant with the infidels. It gives them four months in which they will be protected, but by the end of the four months (the end of the grace period), the order comes: Kill the infidels wherever you find them. Capture them, besiege them in their castles and fortresses until they are forced to accept islam or be killed.”

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya.
“When the prophet migrated from Mecca to Medina, God ordered him to fight those who fought him only. Then when the chapter of Repentance was revealed, God commanded His prophet to fight anyone who did not become a muslim from among the arabs, whether (that person) fought him or not.”

Dr. Muhammad Sa’id al-Buti
“The verse (9:5) does not leave any room in the mind to conjecture about what is called defensive war. This verse asserts that Holy War which is demanded in islamic law, is not defensive war (as the Western students of islam would like to tell us) because it could legitimately be an offensive war. That is the apex and most honorable of all Holy wars”

Ibn Hisham Al Sohaily
“The poll-tax is to be paid by the Christian or the jew forcibly and submissively. It is to spare their lives; that is, they pay it in lieu of being killed because if they did not pay it, they would be killed unless they intended to become muslims, then they would be exempted from paying it.”

The Baydawi
“Fight jews and Christians because they violated the origin of their faith and they do not believe in the religion of the truth, namely Islam, which abrogated all other religions. Fight them until they pay the poll-tax with submission and humiliation” (The Lights of Revelation, page 252).

And finally, the Qu’ran:

The Qur’an (Chapter of Repentance, 9:29):
“Fight against those who have been given the scripture but believe not in Allah nor the last day, and who forbid not that which Allah has forbidden by His messenger, and who follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute willingly, being brought into submission”
 
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