Islam true or false

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You can’t compare articles of faith because they cannot be proved. But you can compare Jesus and Mohammad as historical characters. The historical Jesus was basically poor, celibate and was killed by the authorities. Mohammad was wealthy, had 50+ wives and lead the troops into battle to conquer/convert tribes and nations, died like a king. Your choice.
 
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Part of their religion is women’s genital mutilation, so I vote false.
 
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Wozza:
Those who worship other Gods are to be respected. The idolaters in the passages you have quoted refer to specific people who were at war with Islam. It does NOT refer to ALL idolaters.
That’s your interpretation.
No, it’s most definitely not. It’s an understanding of the Quran in context. If you insist on taking passages out of context then you can interpret them any which way you like. As people do who don’t go the extra yard and just accept comments such as you have made at face value.

And I have specifically quoted passages that DIRECTLY contradict almost every passage (out of context) that you have given.

As I said, there are people who do exactly the same as you are doing to justify violence. And people who follow Islam have to fight against those who twist the words for their own ends. And also have to contend with you and people like you who denigrate their religion as a cause of the violence and hence tar all Muslims with the same brush.

You would do well to listen to the pope:

“I think it is not right to identity Islam with violence…If I speak of Islamic violence, I have to speak of Catholic violence. Not all Muslims are violent,” he said. Pope Francis says it is 'not right' to identify Islam with violence | Pope Francis | The Guardian
 
[Dear Lord Jesus, I love You very much. Please hold me in Your Arms, forgive me my sins, and make me the way You want me to be.]
 
So, you’re telling me that all of those Muslims who have devoted their lives to violence in the name of Islam throughout its long and violent history have been taking the book out of context as well? Including the people that literally knew Mohammad while he was alive, and immediately started killing each other for power after he died?

I’m sorry, but history just doesn’t support you on this, and without some way to make definitive assessments about the intention or nature of given passages, your interpretation will always remain just that, a personal interpretation. I understand why you reject this, and I don’t fault you for it, but you are wrong. There is nothing inherent in the text which precludes the violent understanding. The only thing that comes close is the people who claim that everything that comes later in the text (the more peaceful elements that were written after Mohammad had finished his conquest… ) supersedes what came earlier. However, for that to be true God would have to be self-contradictory, which would make Him inherently irrational, which Catholics reject.

The spread of Islam has always been accompanied by violence and subjugation. I appreciate that there are Muslims alive today who seek a peaceful interpretation of the text, I support them in that search, but I still do not believe the text supports that position. Parts of it do, and parts of it don’t.

As for what the pope said, that is a matter of prudential judgment, and I believe him to be wrong. It is true there are millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. It is also true that there are millions of violent Muslims and others who seek to subjugate all non-Muslims.

Like I said last week though, I’m going to drop out of this conversation. You’re not going to convince me that Islam isn’t a religion of violence, because, put simply, history shows otherwise. Certainly, today, it is less violent than in the past, but a moment of clarity does not make up for all the harm that has been done in the name of Islam’s false prophet.
 
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It’s a false religion . Muhammad did not have a good and clear idea of Christianity but rather some Gnostic version of it.
 
One should look at the lives of Jesus and Muhammad. The latter who in the Suras itself said it was okay to take captured soldiers wives for rape and kill.
 
I can scarcely believe what I am reading here. Christ said “I am the way. There is no other way to the father, save through me.”
 
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Not getting into it, but I believe the issue is that you cited that verse in response to his pointing out the difference in the founders of either faith. That verse is completely unrelated to the point he was trying to make.
 
I’m trying to engage you. For that we first need to set boundaries and part of that is relevance . So you’ve randomly picked a verse from the OT and applied it to this discussion . What am I supposed to do with that ?
 
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Wozza:
Numbers 31:18
How is that book or verse related to Jesus or Muhammed?
As far as I know it doesn’t mention either. Are you being purposely obtuse or do you want me to draw a diagram?
You are trying to say that both Islam and Judaism say that the women can be reserved for the victors. That much is obvious.

This is irrelevant to the point of comparing Muhammad and Jesus. This was not a teaching of Jesus while this remained a teaching of Muhammad.
 
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