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As I look at the threads having something to do with the violence of Islam, most of the muslims respond trying to point out the violence in other faiths. I rarely see a Muslim condemn the actions of other Muslims, or even apologise on behalf of those violent Muslims. If Islam is a religion of peace, show this to us in your posts instead of pointing the finger at others. I am trying to understand how Islam is a peaceful religion but so far I haven’t been able to understand based on what Muslims here have been saying. This issue has probably been posted before but I really wanted to let this out. Is salaam alaykum!
 
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bpcatholic said:
…I rarely see a Muslim condemn the actions of other Muslims,
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Muslims do protest against the terrorism but media normally don’t cover those . Recently , Muslims in India denied to bury the dead bodies of the terrorists . Don’t know if that was covered by the mainstream media or not.
 
The problem with such threads is that they focus on what people are doing instead of ideologies. People who say Islam is not a peaceful religion are correct, and the Muslims who say it is peaceful are also correct, that’s because it is both, depending on how you approach it. If you approach Islam on the individual basis, pray, fast, give money, don’t eat this and don’t wear that, this level is peaceful and you can find it in any other religion or belief. But the problem is that Islam is not only an individualistic religion where you mind your own business but Islam claims to be religion and state and this includes jihad, wars, conquests, humiliation ecc…so from this perspective Islam as an ideology is violent and evil.

Muslims who point out to the OT thinking they got the response are ignorant of the OT where wars were descriptive, not prescriptive, which is not the case in Islam. In Islam waging wars to spread Islam is inherent to Islam, something not found in Judeo-Christian scriptures so no matter how much they quote things that happened thousands of years before , in Judeo-Christianity there is nothing called " i was ordered to fight humanity until they believe there is no god but God and Moses/Jesus is His prophet".
 
Abraham80 said:
Occidental media have always been unfair with the muslims.
Go and see what Israeli people are doing on muslim people in Gaza.
english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html
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this is exactly what am talking about. Go see what the Israelies are doing to Muslims in Gaza, go see what Jordan’s king did to the Palestinians, go see what these Palestinians did to Lebanon and the circle never ends. In Lebanon, last year, there was a war for a month with Islamicists in the North, who were sheltered in the Islamic Palestinian camps. These Palestinians will tell you “we didn’t know about them being terrorists”, but fact is, if a mosquito enters the Palestinian camps, they know about it, let alone hundreds of terrorists fully equipped with weapons and hundreds of the best Lebanese soldiers have been killed. Does any of this happen in the Christian Palestinian camps? no, you can bearely notice their existence.

Whether you call it politics or religion, in Islam it is one. If you consider the Palestinians have more right to the land, so be it, but the Caliphs who initiated oppressive wars to conquer that which they claimed belong to them because all lands are for Allah, and who besieged and butchered and claimed lands that aren’t theirs are the prototypes of the violent and evil socio-political ideologies of Islam.

Welcome to the forum 🙂
 
Saying a religion is violent, is wrong.
Saying the people who are practicing a religion are violent, is wrong.
Saying some people are violent regardless of their religion. is correct.

Blaming Islam or those who practice it on violence would be an injustice.

So please be tolerant, and stop hitting the religions when it’s human’s fault.
 
inJESUS said:
But the problem is that Islam is not only an individualistic religion where you mind your own business but Islam claims to be religion and state and this includes jihad, wars, conquests, humiliation ecc…so from this perspective Islam as an ideology is violent and evil.
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Well said.:aok:
 
What you call offensive war?
The Calif have never misunderstand Islam.
There have been always a confusion between the islamic state and the islamic religion.

Certainly they share the same objective, which was the spread of Islamic religion, but they have some difference too.

Islamic state, was the calif’s responsibility, he decide what ever to do, he’s also responsible of his decision in regard of God.

Islamic religion state that no one should be forced to get to Islam.

If a Calif have forced people to get to islam, he will be judged for that when he face God.

Same thing as for the inquisition, should we blame the catholic church for it’s misunderstand of Christianity? do you consider offensive wars (crusades) as a factor of peace ?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/ Peace

Muslims do protest against the terrorism but media normally don’t cover those . Recently , Muslims in India denied to bury the dead bodies of the terrorists . Don’t know if that was covered by the mainstream media or not.
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Sorry, I should have made my self clearer when asking the question :o . I am aware that there are Muslims around the world condemning terrorist acts 🙂 . What I was trying to say was that when one tries to defend Islam on these forums I see the person trying to point out the violence in other faiths instead of really condemning the violence done by Muslims. Pointing the finger at who is more violent doesn’t work.

Also, it is not my intention to make Islam look violent.
 
Abraham80 said:
Saying a religion is violent, is wrong.
Saying the people who are practicing a religion are violent, is wrong.
Saying some people are violent regardless of their religion. is correct.

Blaming Islam or those who practice it on violence would be an injustice.

So please be tolerant, and stop hitting the religions when it’s human’s fault.
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I not saying Islam is violent. If that was your impression, it was not my intent.
 
I agree with you, bpcatholic–defensively pointing fingers is not an appropriate response. I very seldom resort to it because it tends to create the impression that the Muslim views that violence as acceptable.

Which isn’t the case.

Terrorism is never acceptable. Not Palestinian suicide bombing, nor Israeli war planes.

🤷
 
Abraham80 said:
Saying a religion is violent, is wrong.
Saying the people who are practicing a religion are violent, is wrong.
Saying some people are violent regardless of their religion. is correct.

Blaming Islam or those who practice it on violence would be an injustice.

So please be tolerant, and stop hitting the religions when it’s human’s fault.
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Welcome to the Forums:thumbsup:

It intriguing to see that your Profile says N/A

Does this mean Your religion is also N/A = Not Allah’s ? 😃
 
bpcatholic said:
As I look at the threads having something to do with the violence of Islam, most of the muslims respond trying to point out the violence in other faiths. I rarely see a Muslim condemn the actions of other Muslims, or even apologise on behalf of those violent Muslims. If Islam is a religion of peace, show this to us in your posts instead of pointing the finger at others. I am trying to understand how Islam is a peaceful religion but so far I haven’t been able to understand based on what Muslims here have been saying. This issue has probably been posted before but I really wanted to let this out. Is salaam alaykum!
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This would be a good question for a Muslim apologist.

From my understanding, Islam is bad - historically, ideologically, and religiously. It is a religion that copies Christianity and Judaism (five pillars), slanders the people of the Bible by telling lies about them (for example, Abraham and Jesus), was spread through violence and forced conversion (Mohammed slaughtered the people of Mecca), and dehumanizes Christians and Jews (second-class citizens).

Yes, I have read the Koran, I have read Hadiths, and I have studied Islam. It is just bad all around. But I suppose the only good quality of Islam is monotheism. Muslims worship God.
 
bpcatholic said:
Sorry, I should have made my self clearer when asking the question :o . I am aware that there are Muslims around the world condemning terrorist acts 🙂 . What I was trying to say was that when one tries to defend Islam on these forums I see the person trying to point out the violence in other faiths instead of really condemning the violence done by Muslims. Pointing the finger at who is more violent doesn’t work.

Also, it is not my intention to make Islam look violent.
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Hi

I agree with you.

Thanks
 
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