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jakasaki
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It’s not in the koran - it’s in Bukhari ahadith
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jakasaki
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Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him).
He will descent (to the earth).
When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet.
He will fight the people for the cause of Islam.
He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah.
Allah will perish all religions except Islam.
He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die.
The Muslims will pray over him. (Book #37, Hadith #4310)
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him).
He will descent (to the earth).
When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet.
He will fight the people for the cause of Islam.
He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah.
Allah will perish all religions except Islam.
He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die.
The Muslims will pray over him. (Book #37, Hadith #4310)
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jakasaki
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Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge.
He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it. (Book #001, Hadith #0287)
Sahih Muslim
He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it. (Book #001, Hadith #0287)
Sahih Muslim
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FightingFat
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Great stuff, thanks! 
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jakasaki
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It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger or Allah (may peace be upon him) observed:
I swear by Allah that the son of Mary will certainly descend as a just judge and he would definitely break the cross, and kill swine and abolish Jizya and would leave the young she-camel and no one would endeavour to (collect Zakat on it).
Spite, mutual hatred and jealousy against one another will certainly disappear and when he summons people to accept wealth, not even one would do so.
(Book #001, Hadith #0289)
Sahih Muslim
I swear by Allah that the son of Mary will certainly descend as a just judge and he would definitely break the cross, and kill swine and abolish Jizya and would leave the young she-camel and no one would endeavour to (collect Zakat on it).
Spite, mutual hatred and jealousy against one another will certainly disappear and when he summons people to accept wealth, not even one would do so.
(Book #001, Hadith #0289)
Sahih Muslim
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jakasaki
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said,
"By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government).
Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.
(Book #34, Hadith #425)
Sahih Bukhari
"By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government).
Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.
(Book #34, Hadith #425)
Sahih Bukhari
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jakasaki
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said,
"The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax.
Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Book #43, Hadith #656)
Sahih Bukhari
Allah’s Apostle said,
"The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax.
Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Book #43, Hadith #656)
Sahih Bukhari
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jakasaki
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler);
he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims).
Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): –
'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death.
And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7) (Book #55, Hadith #657)
Sahih Bukhari
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I’m done posting ahadith. I don’t want to flood this thread any more - I think you all get the picture.
As I said, the islamic Isa/Essa is NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Allah’s Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler);
he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims).
Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): –
'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death.
And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7) (Book #55, Hadith #657)
Sahih Bukhari
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I’m done posting ahadith. I don’t want to flood this thread any more - I think you all get the picture.
As I said, the islamic Isa/Essa is NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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jakasaki
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Typical muslim trick…
Hey look… our koran mentions Jesus by name 25 times… more times than our prophet… blah… blah… And also… did you know that our koran has an entire chapter dedicated to Mary, mother of Isa… more blah… blah…
Read their koran - the Isa and Mary passages/verses/ayas are all discombobulated, mumbo jumbo. But hey… hmmm… they do acknoledge the Virgin Birth - that’s about it.
Many muslims make the claim that Isa is mentioned 25 times more than Mohamads name is mentioned - but it’s all nonsense.
Yes, they have to mention Isa by name, otherwise you would not know who you are reading about.
And as far as Mohamads name, big deal.
He’s only mentioned by name a few times, BUT he is also refered to as allah’s messenger, allah’s apostle and allah’s warner.
Try counting all of those words up - they all speak about Mohamad.
And as far as the Ahmadi’s.
They believe that Jesus roamed the earth for 90 years, died and is buried in India - right next to Mother Mary. They claim they have His tomb there and the Ahamdi’s make a pilgrimage to the site.
We once had 2 Ahmadi members on here - now long gone. What I wrote above is their claim.
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swariffin
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These are not mentioned in Quran. This is just a make up story of the Muslims apologist. The problem is, the muslims (especially in Indonesia) believe in this make up story even though not mentioned in Quran. The muslims in Indonesia is very well known of having good memory of memorizing Quran, and singing the chant of Quran. The problem is, they don’t understand the meaning of what they memorize nor chant. Hadiths may say something, but if not mentioned in Quran, does not mean Hadiths is more valid than Quran.
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swariffin
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According to Irving Fisher (economist), if Money is abundance, then inflation is high. If money is flooding, then we have super inflation. All because resources are not unlimited to produce goods.
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jakasaki
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I know they are not mentioned in the koran. I did state that in a post and I did state they are in ahadith
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dzheremi
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Just for fun, I decided to look up three common phrases referring to Muhammad in the Qur’an (Yusuf Ali translation) using Google Books. Here is what I found:
“Allah’s Messenger” = 33 results (hmm…that’s already more than mentions of 'Isa…)
“Allah and His Messenger” (“His Messenger” = Muhammad) = 37 results
“Messenger of Allah” = 10 results
That’s 80 occasions, without even counting all variations and others titles!
Still impressed by these 25 mentions of the Muslim Jesus, folks?
“Allah’s Messenger” = 33 results (hmm…that’s already more than mentions of 'Isa…)
“Allah and His Messenger” (“His Messenger” = Muhammad) = 37 results
“Messenger of Allah” = 10 results
That’s 80 occasions, without even counting all variations and others titles!
Still impressed by these 25 mentions of the Muslim Jesus, folks?
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jakasaki
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Many thumbs up my dear friend… thanks for the research…Just for fun, I decided to look up three common phrases referring to Muhammad in the Qur’an (Yusuf Ali translation) using Google Books. Here is what I found:
“Allah’s Messenger” = 33 results (hmm…that’s already more than mentions of 'Isa…)
“Allah and His Messenger” (“His Messenger” = Muhammad) = 37 results
“Messenger of Allah” = 10 results
That’s 80 occasions, without even counting all variations and others titles!
Still impressed by these 25 mentions of the Muslim Jesus, folks?
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swariffin
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The main point is, Quran is the word of God. Why the word of God must take the clarification from an earthly man issuing the Hadiths? If God would like to change His mind to move the Qiblah from Jerusalem to Mecca, why can’t God clarify His word by saying Isa will come to destroy crosses and swine and so on and so forth, all in the same Quran? Or, to put it straight, Why God said an unfinished word when He mentioned the second coming of Isa? In this case, Hadiths supersedes Quran regarding the teaching of Isa.
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MartinJordan
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Whatever it is, I have eaten with my Muslim friends and even crossed myself with a small prayer. They seem to admire it. So much for this horrid Islam who wants to destroy the cross, etc.
They’ve told me also that (on another occasion) that God informed Muhammad that Muslims must pray 100 times and day and the Prophet several times tried to compromise as it he said it was too much (something like that) and eventually it was narrowed down to 5.
For this I replied, in our Bible it is said “pray at all times”. For which they really are perplexed! They were infact quite impressed with that.
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dzheremi
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There you have it. Islamism is no longer a threat to anyone because Martin Jordan can eat with and cross himself in front of people who are already his friends. You’ve got to be freaking kidding me…
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FightingFat
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That’s a not terribly charitable attitude!
There are good Muslims just as there are bad Catholics. The best way to combat Islam is with the truth in love, which Martin is doing very effectively from his post!
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dzheremi
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I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times: The problems with Islam are not Martin’s (or my, or yours, or anyone’s) Muslim friends. Everyone had Muslim friends before and after the Lebanese civil war, the Sudanese civil war, the Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek genocides, etc. Obviously the problem isn’t that our Muslim friends aren’t nice and trustworthy. As my father was fond of telling me frequently as a teenager (regarding driving, partying, or anything else he wanted me to be careful about), “it’s not YOU I’m worried about, it’s all the other bozos out there.” Well…it’s not my or your friends I’d be worried about…
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FightingFat
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Don’t disagree with any of that!
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