Islam.

[AmandaPS]

“yes, but in qu’ran, Daddy gets quite irate that folks are saying that Mom actually bore His child. real irate.
too bad this was mis-understood, i laughed.”

Funky Cedars - Terry…I am not familiar with what you wrote. Would you please explain it to me? Who is Daddy? Mom? His child?

Thank you - God Bless

I think what FunkyCedars means is that Muslims do not see Jesus as God’s (Daddy’s) son, but only of Mary’s (Mom).

(Qur’an 4:171) O people of the Scriptures (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be! - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

(Qur’an 5:17) Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say, “Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who were on earth together.”

Hope this helps.

PS: I’m not sure what the numbering system is the same as the division system used in the Bible. If a different system is used, I apologize. The first quote comes out of Surah 4, verse 171, and the second quote is from Surah 5 verse 17.

 

[flick427]

We do not like Islam because it is in direct violation of code 4286-62. Oh, wait a minute I just wanted to sound smart…that was nonsense.
Actually there is a problem with Islam if you look at it this way: It is a distorted truth and that is what makes it seem correct to many. It takes many true beliefs of Judeo-Christian origin and bends them to create a whole different way of thinking/believing. Islam believes that Muhammed had to make the scriptures “pure” of correct again. This implies that the Jews and Christians corrupted it. I would not however wish to say that a Muslim as a person is a bad person. I do however see Islam as a threat to Christianity…that was also the case when the Muhammedans tried to conquer Christendom and we had to respond with the Crusades. I do not find it to be a good religion at all, but I do think that there are MANY good Muslim people.

 

[dcmac]

Another oddity about Mohammedanism is their belief in Jesus coming on the clouds at the end of the world.

One wonders that if Muhammad was the last and greatest of God’s prophets and Jesus was merely a proto-type of Muhammad then 1) why was Mary preserved from human sexual intercourse in her conception of this inferior prophet; and 2) why that prophet, who was so inferior to Muhammad as to appear with him riding a donkey whilst Muhammad rode a horse, should be God’s right hand of man at the end of the world?

When I asked my friend M’Hammed’s Imam about this he could not answer… I’ve yet to hear a logical explanation… Go figure.

Your unworthy brother in Christ and by the Grace of God a future Maronite priest,
Donnchadh

 

[Tmaque]

There are some interesting parallels between Islam and another fast growing religion, Mormonism. Both have:
A young man having visions which culminate in new “scripture”
Denial of the divinity of Christ
Extremely violent fringe component groups
Over-emphasis on sex (polygamy and 70 virgins)
An extreme desire to convert the world
Certain food prohibitions and alcohol prohibitions

Interesting…

 

[Faithful_2_Rome]

Mormonism is nothing more than a “tweaked up” AMERICAN version of Islam without the headress, veils and bombs.

 

[Duhawk83]

Tmaque:

There are some interesting parallels between Islam and another fast growing religion, Mormonism. Both have:
A young man having visions which culminate in new “scripture”
Denial of the divinity of Christ
Extremely violent fringe component groups
Over-emphasis on sex (polygamy and 70 virgins)
An extreme desire to convert the world
Certain food prohibitions and alcohol prohibitions

Interesting…

I have made the same point in posts to another thread, I am glad I am not the only one who sees these similarities.

 

[Ken]

The Bible and Quran both have one thing in common. They cannot be demonstrated to be the word of God. They are both taken on faith.

 

[Hans_A]

Ken:

The Bible and Quran both have one thing in common. They cannot be demonstrated to be the word of God. They are both taken on faith.

Proof?

In Christ,
Hans

 

[Funky_Cedars]

chimakuni:

Funky Cedars - Terry…I am not familiar with what you wrote. Would you please explain it to me? Who is Daddy? Mom? His child?

AmandaPS:

I think what FunkyCedars means is that Muslims do not see Jesus as God’s (Daddy’s) son, but only of Mary’s (Mom).

sorry for not responding sooner, but AmandaPS covered for me splendidly, thank you my dear.
the reason for using ‘daddy’ is the understanding that it properly reflects the perception indicated in ‘abba’. ‘mom’ feels appropriate since the church teaches me that when Mary was given to John-John as mother, she also became my mother.
if you bother to read much of what i write, you’ll also find that i tend to refer to Jesus as ‘J’ and st Andrew as Andy. Jesus says the apostles are His ‘friends’ and that if i follow His commands, i will be His friend as well. often my friends and i will shorten each other’s names as an indication of our closeness.
the reason for using Andy and John-John is to emphasize how young they were when they began to follow the Lord.

dcmac:

Another oddity about Mohammedanism is their belief in Jesus coming on the clouds at the end of the world.

actually, this is one of our beliefs, too. check out matt’s 24th chapter, in verse 30 J says, “…and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
thanks for listening, love and peace, terry

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

RomanRyan1088:

Hey everyone, i have been on this website studying Islam and i find it quite interesting. My question is, what do us as Catholics, find wrong with Islam?

I’m not an expert on Islam, but it is my understanding that the Quoran is the textbook on how to get to heaven. I have a particular problem with the “suras” on women. See link below:

submission.org/suras/sura4.html
Quoran 4:34:

The men are made responsible for the women, ** and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD’s commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

 

[Makerteacher]

JNB:

A breif description of the arian heresy was the denial of the divinity of Christ, and of course Islam clearly does that, saying he was a prophet, and not the son of God.

It is my understanding, though not my personal experience, that inside the dome of the Muslim temple in Jerusalem, The Dome of The Rock, all around the inside edge of the circular base of the dome is repeatedly written in Arabic the words, “God has no son.”

Can anyone verify or disprove this claim? I heard it from some missionaries to the Holy Land.

 

[Makerteacher]

One of the biggest problems I personally have with Islam, aside from their belief that Jesus was merely a man, is the status of women in their culture. Women are barely citizens and often have no rights at all, are prevented from receiving education in some places, are kept isolated in their homes from “other men” outside of the family, must wear veils to hide their beauty from strangers, and can in some places be beaten to death by their siblings or parents with no legal actions being taken against said siblings or parents.

While this is not true across the board with all who follow Islam, overall the treatment of women in Islamic countries is pretty horrific and violates the dignity of every person which Catholicism advocates so strongly.

 

[cute2904]

RomanRyan1088:

Interesting, I did read this on the website im studying Islam on.

he recitation began one night in the year 610 A.D., when Muhammad, born in Medina in 570, was asleep in Ramadan; a voice from heaven called out to him with the command, “Recite! Recite! Recite!” The angel recited three verses to him and when he awoke he had these verses, as he said, inscribed in his heart. From that point on, Muhammad believed himself to be a prophet and messenger of God, the last in a line of seven prophets (beginning with Abraham and ending with Jesus Christ, who was prophet number six) and responsible for inscribing the last and most important of God’s direct messages to the world, the Arabic Recitation, which is the full name of the work. The people of God, that is, the Jews and the Christians, were going astray; the purpose of the Arabic Recitation was to restore God’s faithful to the proper path

Anything else wrong with Islam?

yes so many errors when addressing Christianity… Muhammad is a false prophet in history. Where else did you find a prophet married a nine year old girl?..