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sorry bro i got many questions from Justice…yes you are right…do not judge books according to sinful behaviour but according to the teachins itself…thats what am doing…God bless and please share if you want
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Justice2006
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Mr. inJesus,
Actually the Koran respects true followers of Jesus Christ’s message. And Koran is the only non-Christian Holy book which not only accept Jesus as Christ but respects his mother as most pious woman in the whole world and a whole Surah (chapter) of Koran is devoted in Jesus’ mother name: Surah Mariam
And Koran also respects true Jews by including them under the title ‘People of the Book’ alongwith true followers of Prophet Jesus, and Saabaeens.
Koran tells us that not all People of the Book are alike. There were many groups amongs them. It tells one of them was on right path. In next post I will show the exact verse.
Unfortunatley, from your posts, it is clear that you haven’t read the Koran throughly.
Before commenting and spreading your own bogus interpretation/false propaganda, you must show some courtesy towards others by alteast reading their Holy Book and listening to their scholars’ point of view.
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Justice , this is a digression, but the sentence you quoted ( you believe it is true) is taken from this passage :
Many will say to me in that day(judgment day), Lord, Lord,( Jesus is talking) have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
This passage is clearly saying that it is Jesus who will judge people…and who can judge on the judgment day if not God?
Many will say to me in that day(judgment day), Lord, Lord,( Jesus is talking) have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
This passage is clearly saying that it is Jesus who will judge people…and who can judge on the judgment day if not God?
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Booklover
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Why is it that when someone tells the real truth about Islam, he’s accused of preaching “hatred”? I’ve heard that so many times from Muslims!
A devoted Catholic would never embrace Islam!
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Bro, if i tell you now you are liar you will think am insulting you…but i wont call you liar…i’ll just say that YOU dont know your book enough. I already quoted 2 ayas that say that we Christians WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD ARE BLASPHEMERS, UNBELIEVERS, UNJUST AND PERVERTED AND WE WILL BURN IN HELL. REFUTE IT.
WHEN SINCERE CATHOLICS READ THE ENDLESS MUSLIM DENIAL OF A CLEAR TRUTH THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT AM SPEAKING THE TRUTH.
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inJESUS
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WE are hateful yet the quran LOVES USWhy is it that when someone tells the real truth about Islam, he’s accused of preaching “hatred”? I’ve heard that so many times from Muslims!
A devoted Catholic would never embrace Islam!
Vickie
Amen to your second statment of truth
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Booklover
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A few Muslims, are you kidding?
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inJESUS
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If allah will judge us for believing in Jesus’ message then it’s allah fault to have sent someone MUCH better than mohammad in behavior and teachings!
Justice, have you read the Jesus vs mohammad opposite teachings? have you read the Moses vs mohammad opposite teachings thread?
Justice, have you read the Jesus vs mohammad opposite teachings? have you read the Moses vs mohammad opposite teachings thread?
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Justice2006
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But you are reading your own thoughts in these words. What Jesus is actually saying is that on that day (his second coming), many of his followers will tell him (Jesus) "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
It is those many people who will call him Lord, Lord.
Then what Jesus will tell those many of his followers?
He will say to them “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Now the question is why Jesus is going to tell not some BUT many of his followers “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” when they used to not only beleive in him as Lord but have done wonderful works, cast out devils and even prophesied in “Lord’s” name???
Mr. inJesus, please be honest when interpreting your own Bible. Don’t read your own pre-planned thoughts in the words uttered by Jesus.
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**For the last time **
THE quran says this about Christians ( although, mistakingly, using the term nasara):
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: **The Messiah is the son of Allah; ** these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are perverted!"
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium [Mary - “Jesus is the messiah”]; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust
Christians on this board, does the quran respect you in these verses??? what do you understand from these verses???
THE quran says this about Christians ( although, mistakingly, using the term nasara):
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: **The Messiah is the son of Allah; ** these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are perverted!"
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium [Mary - “Jesus is the messiah”]; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust
Christians on this board, does the quran respect you in these verses??? what do you understand from these verses???
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inJESUS
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My dear, Jesus is clear : he will say this to those who **WORK INiQUITY ** because they will profess in their mouth that they believe in him yet their works are bad.
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Justice2006
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Mr. inJesus,
What you believe is not necessarily the view of your Bible. And your interpretation is not even acceptable to all other thousands of Christian denominations, sects and cults.
So you have to make a distinction between:
** What in fact your Bible teaches and whether the text of the Bible is word of God ** per se
and
What you or any other Christian believe/interpret.
These two are NOT necessarily same.
Again, what you think/believe/interpret is not necessarily what in fact Jesus taught or what in fact he was.
Let me give you an example:
Mahatma Gandhi was considered as a criminal by the British Empire during her illegal occupation of India thus he was sent to jail many times to punish his crimes.
But the very same Mahatma Gandhi was a not only **a Freedom Fighter ** but regarded as the Father of Indian nation, by almost all actual inhabitants of India.
When Christian Britishers ended their illegal, racist and brutal occupation of India, Mahatma Gandhi was considered as Founder of new India and almost whole world accepted him as an international hero.
So, here there are two totally different interpretations or views about Gandhi. If you were in India during “civilised” British occupation when Britain had their hey days all over the world, I’m sure you would have considered Mahatma Gandhi as **a criminal ** who was sent to jail many times by the “civilised” Christians Britishers, if you see/Judge Gandhi from Christian Britishers’ eyes.
But was Mahatma Gandhi in fact a criminal?
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For Christians, the idea that jesus was not crucified is contradictory to history, to historical events that really happened. To prove your version of jesus, you have to prove that jesus was not crucified, this would mean that the apostle where liars. If you can’t prove it, then there is strong possibility that you advocating a error regardless of jesus christs relationship to God. If you find evidence that jesus was actually crucified purley through historical reasearch, i cant see how a muslim can continue to believe the testomie, even on faith, that jesus was not crucified.
his crusifiction is important to why he was born and why God would send him in to the world. Jesus is obedient to the Father, he is the perfect son, Jesus is also lord, and only through him can we be with the father, ther for he is the judge, cause only through him can we be saved.only by being the perfect son can one be with the father, if you are not like jesus, if you do not live in him, then you are judged by christ, cause if your not with him your agaist him. Thats why he is called the truth the way and the life, If you refuse the gift of the father which is the son, then you refuse the father. remember God is trying to save us, and relates to us in a way we can relate to him, thats why he is called the father, and jesus is the son, so that we can understand how to be his son, and what it means to be so. But jesus is also god, cause only god who is all knowing and who knows the affairs of the father can effectively give a true representation of what the father wants.( simple reason and logic should tell us this) When jesus left us he gave his church the gift of the holy spirit to guide us and keep us from error. The kind of error that would say that jesus was not crucified for are sins. Jesus is the slaine lamb, the lamb of God, he is the living sacrafice through which we are forgiven, thats why jesus forgives, like the father, cause he is the sacrafice that restores us to everlasting comunion with God. When able and cain gave there sacrifices to god, why is it, that god was more pleased with the slaine lamb of able, rather then cains. ables message of a slain lamb is a symbolic representation of the fact that only through the lamb of god can we be forgiven and saved from are sins, the slaine lamb is jesus. god bless!
his crusifiction is important to why he was born and why God would send him in to the world. Jesus is obedient to the Father, he is the perfect son, Jesus is also lord, and only through him can we be with the father, ther for he is the judge, cause only through him can we be saved.only by being the perfect son can one be with the father, if you are not like jesus, if you do not live in him, then you are judged by christ, cause if your not with him your agaist him. Thats why he is called the truth the way and the life, If you refuse the gift of the father which is the son, then you refuse the father. remember God is trying to save us, and relates to us in a way we can relate to him, thats why he is called the father, and jesus is the son, so that we can understand how to be his son, and what it means to be so. But jesus is also god, cause only god who is all knowing and who knows the affairs of the father can effectively give a true representation of what the father wants.( simple reason and logic should tell us this) When jesus left us he gave his church the gift of the holy spirit to guide us and keep us from error. The kind of error that would say that jesus was not crucified for are sins. Jesus is the slaine lamb, the lamb of God, he is the living sacrafice through which we are forgiven, thats why jesus forgives, like the father, cause he is the sacrafice that restores us to everlasting comunion with God. When able and cain gave there sacrifices to god, why is it, that god was more pleased with the slaine lamb of able, rather then cains. ables message of a slain lamb is a symbolic representation of the fact that only through the lamb of god can we be forgiven and saved from are sins, the slaine lamb is jesus. god bless!
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bro, why beating about the bush? what does the passage tell you? did you even read it? here is how it starts :
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
If Jesus rejected the word Lord, he should have said : NO ONE that saith to me LOrd Lord shall enter …
So why does Jesus say : not everyone?? coz many will profess they believe in Jesus yet their works are bad, just like you see today…Jesus is being crucified everyday because of sinful people…
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the crucifixion is a historical fact written in the testimonies of jews and Romans…lets say Christians were liars, but what about non-christians ?? the Jews would be happy if they claim they didnt crucify him!! this would refute the early Christians!! but they did NOT! coz it’s a HISTORICAL FACT.freesoulhope said:
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Since this thread is about islam, would you please share with us , Justice, the cross incidence?
i already put a thread on Jesus’ crucifixion but no moslem answered so far
i already put a thread on Jesus’ crucifixion but no moslem answered so far
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Justice2006
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Dear freesoulhope,
Two things:
- Which history book you ar referring, besides the Holy Bible?
- Second, all the versions of the Bible have interpolations, contradictions, improbabilities and inconsistencies.
No two copies of the “original” manuscripts of the New Testaments are alike. Originals were either lost or destroyed by the Church herself in order to save from being destroyed/disrespected from the hands of pagans.
So, if Jesus was not crucified, this would not mean that the apostles were liars because what you have in your Bible is full of interpolations, contradictions, improbabilities and inconsistencies.
Your assumption that apostles of Jesus would become liars if Jesus is not crucified, is a flawed argument.
Whoever Jesus’ apostles were remain as they were. Their true nature will not change if Jesus is proved not crucified. Becuase apostles are free from what you or the unreliable text of the Bible ascribes to them or Christ, in their absence because all the books of New testaments were written long after their death/and Jesus ascension.
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Justice,
You are still accusing me with no proof…i proved you wrong about the quranic respect for us and i explained for you the Biblical passage…now if you keep this attitude no one will take you seriously anymore coz you are giving the attitude of someone who wants to insult instead of learning.
Now please give us your own quranic interpretation coz i didnt get a clear idea about what happened to Jesus from quran. Lets keep this thread about islam and you can start a different thread about the other points you raised.
You are still accusing me with no proof…i proved you wrong about the quranic respect for us and i explained for you the Biblical passage…now if you keep this attitude no one will take you seriously anymore coz you are giving the attitude of someone who wants to insult instead of learning.
Now please give us your own quranic interpretation coz i didnt get a clear idea about what happened to Jesus from quran. Lets keep this thread about islam and you can start a different thread about the other points you raised.
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Justice2006
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Mr. inJesus
I too proved that your interpretation is not necessarily a fact.
What you read in the Koran is your own thoughts.
Thus your interpretation is only good for your mind which is closed and not open for intellectual discussion/criticism
And I do accuse you that you have no proper knowledge of the Koran nor the Holy Bible and IMO, you are a bad name to your own faith and you are among those “**many ** chrisitians” to who Jesus will tell “Depart from me, I never knew you, ye that work iniquity” because you are guilty of iniquity though you call Jesus “Lord, Lord”. Your posts are filled with hatred and they are rubbish.
iniquity noun, means:
- That which is morally bad or objectionable: evil, peccancy, sin, wickedness, wrong.
- Lack of justice: inequity, injustice, unfairness, unjustness, wrong.
- A wicked act or wicked behavior: crime, deviltry, diablerie, evil, evildoing, immorality, misdeed, offense, peccancy, sin, wickedness, wrong, wrongdoing.
( answers.com/iniquity&r=6 )
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freesoulhope
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you have lead on to your own uderstanding and have totally failed to regognise the reasoning and logic behind my augument. the thruth is you will not eccept the truth aslong as it contradict your pridefull reasoning of which you have no logical augument. two religions which are in disagreement about the divinity of Christ, agree on the fact that he was crusified. muhammed did not witness or testify to witnessing the events that lead up to his crucifixsion, nither was he there to say otherwise, the apostles testify to the crusifixtion and the divinity of christ, they where thier. What is it that you dont understand? What documents or writings of the crusifiction that we believe to have been written by the apostles tell you that he wasnt crusified. And what conspritus ideas do your thing will explain away the fact that the jewish faith testifys to the fact that he was crusified?
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