Islam

[Justice2006]

Mr. inJesus,

You really need to learn Islam from its own perspective first. Start learning step by step from the basics/fundamentals of Islam.

I am not telling you that you must embrace Islam. Guidance comes only from God Almighty. Our job is to convey the Message only.

But seek Islam first before commenting/raising any question about it. Otherwise all you are doing makes knowledgeable people laugh at your ignorance.

Know your ignorance; ignore what you know

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

Mr. inJesus,

You really need to learn Islam from its own perspective first. Start learning step by step from the basics/fundamentals of Islam.

I am not telling you that you must embrace Islam. Guidance comes only from God Almighty. Our job is to convey the Message only.

But seek Islam first before commenting/raising any question about it. Otherwise all you are doing makes knowledgeable people laugh at your ignorance.

Know your ignorance; ignore what you know

is this the answer to my questions?

as for islam or truth or embracing islam, i gave a clear reply regarding this issue…who knows Jesus, knows exactly who mohammad was.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

sure bro sure we’ll talk about this after you answer my questions.

what questions?

From deceptive bias anti-Islam missionary websites you have been misqouting Koranic Verses and Ahadith, out of context by not knowing the essentials and basic concept of Islam.

To understand any Koranic verse/Hadith you must keep in mind the whole context and all related verses alongwith the whole perspective of Islam.

And when you do this you will never pose your bassless questions again.

If you have any real objection/question state in simple words.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

is this the answer to my questions?

as for islam or truth or embracing islam, i gave a clear reply regarding this issue…who knows Jesus, knows exactly who mohammad was.

But when you learn Islam from it’s own persepective then you will not only know what Islam is and in what mess you are in, but you will also discover who you actually are, what is your actual position in this world and what you supposed to do and what you have been doing.

Jeremias 8:8 How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb…&ch=8&l=8&f=s#x ]

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

what questions?

From deceptive bias anti-Islam missionary websites you have been misqouting Koranic Verses and Ahadith, out of context by not knowing the essentials and basic concept of Islam.

To understand any Koranic verse/Hadith you must keep in mind the whole context and all related verses alongwith the whole perspective of Islam.

And when you do this you will never pose your bassless questions again.

If you have any real objection/question state in simple words.

you just said you are here to convey the message…so convey…i asked many questions, gave many direct quotations to which you havent answered yet…insulting or attacking is a very nown technique when one runs out of answers…so take your time, reread all what we discussed today and u’ll realize you answered nothing…

i want to go to church now…take your time and please stick to our discussion.

To everyone reading here, please do not let him digress…for any question about Bible /Christianity he can open a new thread.

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

But when you learn Islam from it’s own persepective then you will not only know what Islam is and in what mess you are in, but you will also discover who you actually are, what is your actual position in this world and what you supposed to do and what you have been doing.

Jeremias 8:8 How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb…&ch=8&l=8&f=s#x ]

bro, islam is a satanic cult…i told you i know who Jesus is…i see him…mohammads morals are amoral to the Biblical God, to which Isaiah replied: woe to you who see evil good and good evil…mohammad is prophecized in the Bible as a false prophet and anti-Christ…i shouldnt either bother learn about such false, heretical doctrines…but its just my curiosity…i love to see how satan works , just like i know when i see exorcism in the name of our Lord Jesus…he fooled you bro, he fooled you.

 

[inJESUS]

i go now…i’ll see your answers later God willing…Jesus’ love, peace and blessing to all of you.

 

[Justice2006]

freesoulhope:

It is the devil who devides, do not blasphem the holy spirit, God will forgive thoughs who speak wrong of jesus, but holy spirit is a different matter all together. you Are walking on dangerous ground my freind, Be carefull. Peace be with you.

Dear freesoulhope,

The blaspheming acts are committed by the various denominations of Christiandom with eachother under the “insipiration” of their specific versions of Holy Spirit.

I have no idea which Christian denomination had/has the true genuine version of Holy Spirit.

But if I assume that only Roman Catholic church have got Holy Spirit since her inception, as she claimed in her Catechism, then you should ask some questions to yourself:

• Howcome then Holy Papacy commiitted such horrible crimes in the past when she was constantly under the direct guidance of Holy Spirit which made her to claim her ‘infallibility’?
• When Jews were mass massacred or when Martin Luther was excommunicated was she really under the Holy Spirit inspiration at those times/movements?
• How should we know, when precisely Holy Papacy is under the insipiration and when she is not?

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

bro, islam is a satanic cult…

i love to see how satan works , just like i know when i see exorcism in the name of our Lord Jesus…he fooled you bro, he fooled you.

Mr. inJesus,

You love to see how satan works and you are calling me as your brother, in the same breath??? Then you are satan’s brother then?

What an amazing way of preaching the gospel.!!!

If your Papacy see how you “preach” the Gospel, it is highly likely that she will excommunicate you from her Church just like how she did in the past with Martin Luther.

 

[freesoulhope]

you are atacking the holy spirit again, what ever wrong that people did under the banner of the catholic church, was obviouly not in the holy spirit, and sometimes a crime is only a crime to the person who is inflicted with the punishment, If God destroyed your city because he believed you where spreading lies, would you call it crime?.The sins of men if any has been commited, has nothing do with the deposit of faith that the church has been given. I can create an army of men and kill anyone i please and twist the scripture to surport my claims, but that doesnt say anything about the religion that i represent or the holy spirit. Again, do not critisise the holy spirit. The devil is cunning, And swift in destroying many with misinterpretations that he gives those who follow him. Interpretations of which have no prophetic roots and have no evidence yet manage to take root in the world.

you wish to throw dirt on Gods church, because you cannot trully justify why you believe muhhamed. you just believe.

The true religion of God is revealed through, “phophecy” and “revelation” human beings know nothing. They can only tell What is true by there reasoning and the “witnessing” of the forfillment of prophesy that god put thier so that we might have faith( God doesnt do things in secret and casts illusions to fool people, it is human beings that fool eachother, God gives them over to there foolisness). Plus we also have the holy spirit that preseves the truth, therefore it cant be in error by those who challenge the church based on sombodys “made up truth”. The best lies in this world have elements of truth, very little of it is composed of lies, thats how satan fools many by satifying mans ignorant perceptions of God Which is a deceptive God, whos is not a God of all men but some kind of warrior God for those who like war and need an excuse. They only keep followers through fear of wronging God, not through “revelation or prophecy”

Heresy, on the other hand has always been met harshly, and through out the bible in the old testiment, many tribes of the father of abraham, has used violence under the old law, and have stoned heritics. Notice God did not Qeustion this, since it was “just” to exile and punish those who would try to blapheme against the holy spirit of truth, but these punishments where only usesd in very extreem circumstances when the spirit of truth was under attack by lies and heritcs of the church who tryed to currupt the truth, or when the church was under attack by other occultic nations who did not know god. Laws like this where implemeted especailly when people refused to keep the laws of God and instead lead double lives. Please do not use hypocritcal auguments. Some times it was good enough to exile traitors of God, but some people where curupted and did wrong in the name of God. Simmerla things may have occured when the catholic church was a state power, unesersery force may have been used to keep order, but that doesn’t make the religion a lie, the punishment of man through law, has nothing to do with “teaching the word of God” and installing faith in people. Isreal strayed from God many times, and God punished them, but that did not stop them from being isreal, they are not inerrant in thier “actions” only the word of god is inerrant. The church is made up of sinners. if you want to know about the crusades, then maybe you should ask the Catholic churches point of veiw on the matter. Or maybe you have already made up your mind that where all liars! feel free to reply but im anwsering no more qeustions, not when there is a library of catholic information on the internet!

 

[freesoulhope]

I have been very generous, if you want to qeustion the church please do so by making another thread, you nether know i might pop round.

 

[Justice2006]

freesoulhope:

you are atacking the holy spirit again, what ever wrong that people did under the banner of the catholic church, was obviouly not in the holy spirit, and sometimes a crime is only a crime to the person who is inflicted with the punishment,…

Dear freesoulhope,

You totally misunderstood me and the whole issue. I am not attacking holy spirit.

Your reasoning is baseless. Because from your logic if you criticise Hitler for his crimes you will be blamed for criticising/attacking God because Hitler too, like us was created by God. And of course this is nonsense.

In the same manner if I criticise your Holy Papacy for her crimes that she commiitted in the past and never repented except for a partial apology in recent years, does not mean that I attacked holy spirit.

Your papacy is under the guidance of holy spirit, is your personal faith/opinion only and not a fact.

According to some other denominations of Christiandom, your Papacy is anti-Christ. Does this mean that those Christian denominations too are attacking holy spirit, when they themselves are under the “guidance” of same holy spirit, *in their mind * ?

Please re-visit my questions of my last post and read them again and tell me where and how I attacked holy spirit?

Now I have an another question: According to your Trinity Dogma, The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but they all are ONE Godhead. Right? Now if they are all one then why they are not the same and ONE thing? Why the Son is always the second person of the Trinity? And why “attacking” holy spirit is more serious issue than “attacking” the rest persons of the Trinity?

 

[freesoulhope]

You will not find an acurate awnser from me, but there is a true and acurate anwser in other threads with well educated people that have been in the faith alot longer then me and are more qualified then me to anwser your qeustions. I my self have studyied the qeustions that you have asked, and i have had asked the very same things that you your self is asking now. There is nothing wrong with an inquiring mind. Who wants to follow blindly? but i fear that when you do find the anwser to your qeustions, no matter how logical the anwser, you will not except it because you are devoted to islam, there for its pointless that you ask unless you are seeking truth. If you’ve already put your roots down some where, then the only reason you ask, is because you seek to protect your faith by puting down other faiths. everybody of every religion is on the defensive, and are doing exactly the same thing as you. But religion isnt just about faith, its about “prophecy” “revelation” “miracles” and in some cases “bloodline” these are the things that should help you to define and and create a picture directing you to the truth, thats why God made these things. If you dont honestly search for the truth, when we are found wanting by God, how can we expect mercy?. I found Catholisisom by reasearch, and waying up the evidence, i wasnt born in to it, i studie my faith, i dont know everything about it yet but what i do know makes a whole lot more sense on a scriptual level then the religion and the existense of islam, why does it exist?, why was it founded after jesuses crusifixtion? Why then and not before jesus was born.

If your intrested in Christianity you know where you can go to get that information. But im not intrested in having a spiritual war, since nither of us are intrested in giving up what we have decided to be the truth. God bless and i hope God is so mercifull that he doesnt use are ignorance against us, There should be only “one” religion, islam dont add up to that equation. Im sorry, feel free to study any book are ask any other apoligist but me, i cannot help you, because i dont think you trully want to learn, you just want to prove somthing by critisizing rather then justifying you position as a muslim who believe in islam, this tread is about islam not Christianity. God bless and peace be with you.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Justice2006:

But when you learn Islam from it’s own persepective then you will not only know what Islam is and in what mess you are in, but you will also discover who you actually are, what is your actual position in this world and what you supposed to do and what you have been doing.

Jeremias 8:8 How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.

drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb…&ch=8&l=8&f=s#x ]

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Please read, I think all will find this article enlightening:

Brought Up To Hate

By Nonie Darwish
Telegraph.co.uk | February 17, 2006

frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21322

 

[freesoulhope]

That was a very nice read. it tells me that people are mixing political and socail strugles with the korain, and poluting the message for unreligious ends. I have allways understood that the muslim religions isnt the real cause of terrorist threats. The religion is used more as a method or way of taking hold of peoples hearts and the things they love (God) so as to bring people together under a banner of hatred, which i think is contrary to the message, even though i dont believe in islam or see the profit muhammed as a true prophet. i do however regognise the other prophets that they speak of in the koran like moses, theres not much diffence other then how we see jesus. America uses Christianity as a banner to rally the Christian world in to hating muslims. The president pretends to be a Christian for christian values ( at least i think so, though i dont like to judge) so does the priminister in london, but they are using the Christian massage for political ends in order to cause conflict between the muslim and christian religions( at least this is what seems to be happening). Besides, Jesus said “love your enemys”. I refuse to put muslims and suicide Bombers in the same light, i only see people as evil or good, it is erelevent to me what religion they are.
If we can live in peace and tolerate eachother and respect eachothers boundrys, i have no problem.

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

Mr. inJesus,

You love to see how satan works and you are calling me as your brother, in the same breath??? Then you are satan’s brother then?

What an amazing way of preaching the gospel.!!!

If your Papacy see how you “preach” the Gospel, it is highly likely that she will excommunicate you from her Church just like how she did in the past with Martin Luther.

bro, i am amazed…i am absolutely amazed you have such deept responses bro.

I see that absolutely no answer is given to my question…need more time? fine

 

[inJESUS]

Dear freesoulhope,

You totally misunderstood me and the whole issue. I am not attacking holy spirit.

you are, unless you dont know what the Holy Spirit is.

Your reasoning is baseless. Because from your logic if you criticise Hitler for his crimes you will be blamed for criticising/attacking God because Hitler too, like us was created by God. And of course this is nonsense.

what does this have to do with blaspheming the Holy Spirit? for us, insulting is a sin…as for you as a muslim, you can do whatever you want.

In the same manner if I criticise your Holy Papacy for her crimes that she commiitted in the past and never repented except for a partial apology in recent years, does not mean that I attacked holy spirit.

you must be kidding…the way you talked about the Holy Spirit with irony is what we are pointing out to you.

Your papacy is under the guidance of holy spirit, is your personal faith/opinion only and not a fact.

likewise, you being guided by allah is your own faith and not a fact.

According to some other denominations of Christiandom, your Papacy is anti-Christ. Does this mean that those Christian denominations too are attacking holy spirit, when they themselves are under the “guidance” of same holy spirit, *in their mind *

?you dont even know what yu are talking about…you have absolutely no idea what the Holy Spirit is.

Please re-visit my questions of my last post and read them again and tell me where and how I attacked holy spirit?

you did with your irony and God knows you did, but am sure out of ignorance.

Now I have an another question: According to your Trinity Dogma

, The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but they all are ONE Godhead. Right? Now if they are all one then why they are not the same and ONE thing? Why the Son is always the second person of the Trinity? And why “attacking” holy spirit is more serious issue than “attacking” the rest persons of the Trinity?you can answer or read such questions in different threads. Ahmad Deedat blasphemed the Holy Spirit publically although he was warned many times about the consequences…well i guess yu know what happened to him.

 

[inJESUS]

Now we go back to our discussion…take your time.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

Ahmad Deedat blasphemed the Holy Spirit publically…

Where and when did Ahmed Deedat blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

.

 

[StMarkEofE]

freesoulhope:

That was a very nice read. it tells me that people are mixing political and socail strugles with the korain, and poluting the message for unreligious ends. I have allways understood that the muslim religions isnt the real cause of terrorist threats. The religion is used more as a method or way of taking hold of peoples hearts and the things they love (God) so as to bring people together under a banner of hatred, which i think is contrary to the message, even though i dont believe in islam or see the profit muhammed as a true prophet. i do however regognise the other prophets that they speak of in the koran like moses, theres not much diffence other then how we see jesus. America uses Christianity as a banner to rally the Christian world in to hating muslims. The president pretends to be a Christian for christian values ( at least i think so, though i dont like to judge) so does the priminister in london, but they are using the Christian massage for political ends in order to cause conflict between the muslim and christian religions( at least this is what seems to be happening). Besides, Jesus said “love your enemys”. I refuse to put muslims and suicide Bombers in the same light, i only see people as evil or good, it is erelevent to me what religion they are.
If we can live in peace and tolerate eachother and respect eachothers boundrys, i have no problem.

America certainly dosnt need Christianity to cause conflict with the Muslims, for the Muslims do a pretty fair job of doing that themselves. Why cant they just leave us Christians alone? Why because they cant stand anyone NOT BEING A MUSLIM plain and simple. And until the entire world caves into their demands there will be strife for as long as there is breath in us. Yes, we can love each other but the Muslims will LOVE US TO DEATH.