Islamic Dialogue - Koranic Teachings

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exoflare said:
TexanKnight;9056135:
Over and over and over it states we must follow God and God will judge. Christians are called “Believers of the Book”.
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If you think those are fun, wait till you get to the verses that haven’t been abrogated. 👍
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:eek: exoflare, it seems you are knowledgeable about such Islamic principle… http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Maybe you should show TexanKnight some of these versus and let us see the reaction ;)…
 
jakasaki said:
Throw away your Bible -

Throw away your belief in Our Lord Jesus Christ, Our Lord
  • and then you can read their entire koran where it
  • denies Christ, our Lord,
  • denies the Crucifixion
  • denies the Resurrection
  • denies the Son of God
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CC TexanKnight.
 
chrisb said:
Grace and Peace,

Honestly, I’m keenly interested to the OP of this thread, that being the ‘moral’ teachings within Islam. I’m sure others in other threads can sharpen their knives. I’m only interested in understanding their moral teachings on this specific issue.

Skipping the OT I’m more keen on focusing on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans:

1:24 Therefore God gave them over48 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor49 their bodies among themselves.50 1:25 They51 exchanged the truth of God for a lie52 and worshiped and served the creation53 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones,54 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women55 and were inflamed in their passions56 for one another. Men57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God,58 God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done.59

Thanks and Peace.
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It appears that the teachings of the Quan and that of St. Paul have the same lesson regarding homosexuality. IT IS MORALLY WRONG!
 
jakasaki said:
The story of Lot in the koran is all wrong according to the Biblical passages.

The muslims & islam and their koran do not agree with our Biblical books.

Since you quoted the koran passages, can you find the same in the OT Bible…??
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Slight problem here: just because the Qur’an doesn’t agree with the Bible, doesn’t make the Bible necessarily any more right than the Qur’an.
chrisb said:
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I’ll go through this following passage you quote and explain the verses.
  1. We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
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This passage carries with it a similar meaning to above, but with regard to the last passage, I must add something.

Althroughout the Qur’an there is emphasis on signs and messengers sent to all people all throughout history. These signs are intended to remind people of their wrongdoing and encourage sincere worship of Allah and repentance for sins committed. The remains of great cities and empires are testament to this.
The belief is that no empire has been without a messenger also, at all times throughout history. Think of Jonah in Ninevah (sp?), Isaiah warning Israel and even Jesus himself. All of these were sent to the people to try and restore proper conduct and proper worship of the One True God. I must emphasize here that Muhammad (pbuh) is the LAST messenger.

An important spiritual lesson is also here. Many people will reject the prophets, as their minds are shut off to any sort of reform of their conduct. These people are said to be ‘far from the Path’ as the Qur’an puts it, and there will be a time when no amount of admonishment will suffice, either when an actual messenger is sent or there is made an example of history where great empires have fallen because of their sin, felled by Allah. They are said to be spiritually dead, as their faculty for sensing the divine is dead, much like a plant which is not given water. Eventually they will face Allah, see their mistake and offer their worship of Allah or something else to try and avoid Hell. But it will be too late.
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I’m not quite sure I understand this discussion

The Bible and the Koran both teach that homosexuality is a sin (or at least, “the acts” are). What’s there to discuss? :confused:
 
followingtheway said:
I’m not quite sure I understand this discussion

The Bible and the Koran both teach that homosexuality is a sin (or at least, “the acts” are). What’s there to discuss? :confused:
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I think he’s talking about sexual immorality in general, as well as homosexuality, for which there are SOME differences between the teachings of the RCC and Islam.
 
Kouyate42 said:
Slight problem here: just because the Qur’an doesn’t agree with the Bible, doesn’t make the Bible necessarily any more right than the Qur’an.
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Any claim that relies on error for proof of its truth is in error itself. To overcome this, Islam claims that only parts of the Bible are “corrupt”, but this doesn’t wash. Most counter by asking, which parts are corrupt? But consider which Biblical doctrinal statements might be true according to Islam. For example, is the Sermon on the Mount true? I have asked many Muslims and have never gotten an answer, and the reason is simple: a consistent one doesn’t exist. If the Sermon on the Mount is a corruption, Islam would have to disparage the admirable attributes of the Beatitudes; if it is not a corruption, where does it appear in Islamic foundational texts since they are supposed to return us to the truth?
 
Kouyate42 said:
… An important spiritual lesson is also here. Many people will reject the prophets, …
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But rejection by itself does not a prophet make. Anyone, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. The challenge is how to find out if that person is a true prophet, is making it up, is delusional [or both].
 
sedonaman said:
But rejection by itself does not a prophet make. Anyone, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. The challenge is how to find out if that person is a true prophet, is making it up, is delusional [or both].
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I never claim this, and the prophets in the Qur’an come with other attributes of their divine mission.
In the Qur’an, the newly-born infant Jesus spoke to a crowd of people who had accused Maryam (Mary) of some sexual impropriety, and defended his mother.
 
sedonaman said:
What is so wrong with judging ideas?
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It’s fine to judge and dialogue with others regarding moral behavior or ideas, but what I read too often is the judging of another’s soul. We, as Catholics, are not supposed to do that! Each of us needs to be the best person possible and a big part of that is loving others, even those who are Jewish or Muslim. Christ wants us to love God above all things and our neighbor as we love ourselves. We need to speak respectfully to each other. 🙂
 
Kouyate42 said:
I never claim this, …
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Mohammed did. He saw that the OT prophets were rejected by the Jews; he then saw that the Jews rejected him. Voila! he concluded that makes him a prophet too.
In the Qur’an, the newly-born infant Jesus spoke to a crowd of people who had accused Maryam (Mary) of some sexual impropriety, and defended his mother.
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There is no evidence of this in the Bible.
 
aschaefer said:
… what I read too often is the judging of another’s soul. …
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I think too many people read too much into what others say. Just about every thread I’ve seen here that has Islam the idea as a topic eventually gets around to someone posting something like, “I don’t hate Muslims.”
 
sedonaman said:
I think too many people read too much into what others say. Just about every thread I’ve seen here that has Islam the idea as a topic eventually gets around to someone posting something like, “I don’t hate Muslims.”
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True. People post that when the language starts to get ugly.
 
TexanKnight said:
Are you intentionally being rude to me? Why would you direct your posts to me?
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Sam only comes around once in a while and frankly, I don’t believe he was being rude to you.

Just because the koran calls us, Christians & Jews people of the book is meaningless.

What Sam was trying to say is that the poster exoflair…??? splng…? should post the nasty stuff the koran & ahadith states for people of the book.

Not so nice
 
jakasaki said:
Sam only comes around once in a while and frankly, I don’t believe he was being rude to you.

Just because the koran calls us, Christians & Jews people of the book is meaningless.

What Sam was trying to say is that the poster exoflair…??? splng…? should post the nasty stuff the koran & ahadith states for people of the book.

Not so nice
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Well, I think he was being rude. he was acting Like I needed to be told that the Koran is anti-Christian.

When his IQ approaches mine, he can talk. I KNOW what it says. And the fact it is anti-Christian does not make less interesting. It IS interesting.

I can do without the rudeness.
 
TexanKnight said:
Well, I think he was being rude. he was acting Like I needed to be told that the Koran is anti-Christian.

When his IQ approaches mine, he can talk. I KNOW what it says. And the fact it is anti-Christian does not make less interesting. It IS interesting.

I can do without the rudeness.
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My thoughts on this thread was people could discuss this without the rudeness. I am sorry if I offended anyone
 
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