Islamic Dialogue - Koranic Teachings

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TexanKnight, :shamrock2: please accept my apology if you think I was rude to you, but that was not my intention, in my post to exoflare, I wanted him/her to show you the majority of the anti-Christian/Jewish verses found in Quran.

However, in my post to sister in Christ** jakasaki**, I wanted you to read what Quran is teaching regarding Christianity in general…
Moreover, I only read/post on CAF between 5:00am-8:00am (US EST) Saturday-Wednesday using secure hotspot, so I couldn’t reply to your post yesterday.
Please start a new thread to discuss your positive points about Quran because most of those verses as exoflare have pointed out, have been abrogated already…

Sister in Christ (jakasaki):hug1:, thank you very much for defending me :love:, and thank you very much for the invitation, I’m planning to visit you one day in the future, but leaving SA permanently in the time being is still not on my mind…
Jerusha, 🙂 as sister in Christ mentioned, I’m he, please check my CAF homepage…
EddyDRR, http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif, thanks.
 
Just exactly what “Messiah” means in Islam beyond your translation “anointed”] of it.
The term ‘masih’ is correctly interpreted as the term ‘anointed one’, and it may be surprising that Islam recognises Jesus to be the Messiah. However, Islam sees it as blasphemy, and in agreeance with Judaism, that the Messiah is NOT the Son of God.

Instead Islam views Jesus as the last of the prophets sent to the people of Israel in order to lead them back to true worship of Allah.

The Qur’an corrects both the Jewish scripture with regard to their disbelief in Jesus as Messiah and the Christians in their belief in Jesus as the Son of God in saying:

“And (We cursed them) for their disbelief… and their boastful claim: Indeed, we have killed the [so-called] Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God. And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him.” (Quran 4:156-157)

“Indeed, they are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.’” (Quran 5:72)
 
The term ‘masih’ is correctly interpreted as the term ‘anointed one’, and it may be surprising that Islam recognises Jesus to be the Messiah. However, Islam sees it as blasphemy, and in agreeance with Judaism, that the Messiah is NOT the Son of God.

Instead Islam views Jesus as the last of the prophets sent to the people of Israel in order to lead them back to true worship of Allah.

The Qur’an corrects both the Jewish scripture with regard to their disbelief in Jesus as Messiah and the Christians in their belief in Jesus as the Son of God in saying:

“And (We cursed them) for their disbelief… and their boastful claim: Indeed, we have killed the [so-called] Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God. And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him.” (Quran 4:156-157)

“Indeed, they are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.’” (Quran 5:72)
So what does all this have to do with being “anointed”?
 
So what does all this have to do with being “anointed”?
With Jesus, he was not just a prophet but the Messiah of Israel and the FINAL prophet sent specifically to the Jewish people. .

Christos means ‘anointed one’. In the Bible itself, kings were anointed.
 
With Jesus, he was not just a prophet but the Messiah of Israel and the FINAL prophet sent specifically to the Jewish people. .
Either you are repeating yourself or talking in circles by saying that Jesus is the Messiah because he is the Messiah.
Christos means ‘anointed one’. In the Bible itself, kings were anointed.
So what conclusions does Islam draw from this?
 
Either you are repeating yourself or talking in circles by saying that Jesus is the Messiah because he is the Messiah.

So what conclusions does Islam draw from this?
Well what Kouyate’s trying to say is that the “messiah” is “the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh/Old Testament” Basically the same definition in Judeo-Christian usage.

The only disagreement between the two is of the deity of Christ and Jesus being God’s son.
 
Well what Kouyate’s trying to say is that the “messiah” is “the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh/Old Testament” Basically the same definition in Judeo-Christian usage.

The only disagreement between the two is of the deity of Christ and Jesus being God’s son.
Thank you! English isn’t my first language, so it’s often difficult to get across my point.
 
in my post to exoflare, I wanted him/her to show you the majority of the anti-Christian/Jewish verses found in Quran.
Yeah, well it looks like someone else is already doing it for me. 😃 I’m a guy btw.
 
Slight problem here: just because the Qur’an doesn’t agree with the Bible, doesn’t make the Bible necessarily any more right than the Qur’an.

chrisb;9056496 said:
I’ll go through this following passage you quote and explain the verses.

This passage, whilst most scholars agree is mostly talking about homosexuality, can be also extended to other sexual practices outside the marital bond, such as pre-marital sex, adultery, orgies and multiple sex partners and the use of prostitutes (although this is disputed in some commentaries).

Islam places great emphasis on purity, both in word and deed. Part of Islamic worship includes wudu which is ritual cleansing of the body with water, Similarly, a believer is meant to show his faith and taqqwa (love for Allah and fear of His displeasure) in their every action, word and thought. This means refraining from doing things which are haraam (forbidden) and doing those things which are halal (permitted).

Islam teaches that for every deed we do, say and think, angels are recording it in the Book in heaven. When we finally do meet our Creator, we will be expected to account for these bad deeds and good deeds will earn us rewards in Heaven.

This passage also has significance in talking of Allah, as part of Islamic purity involves the confession of sin for which Allah will forgive if it is sincere repentance. One of His names for this reason is Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving). During salah prayers, a part of the prayer is dedicated to asking forgiveness for any wrongs we’ve committed since our last prayers.

This passage is very important. Lut’s wife, although she given free choice to leave the city with the rest of her family, did not, because although it is assumed she led a similarly religious life to Lut, was far too attached to the city and its evil for her love of Allah and her family to convince her to say. She could be said to be half-hearted in her faith, despite in the Biblical narrative being given an express order NOT to look back or have anything else to do with the city.

The Qur’an and Islam in general emphasize total devotion to Allah and His word, and for the believer this means putting love of Allah (taqwwa) above dunyya (love of this world). Notice how Muslims live: anything which serves to distract away from worship of Allah is forbidden. The Qur’an is very clear in making it a clear decision between love of this world and love of Allah. One cannot be in both camps, at least without being a hypocrite. It also makes it clear that any concession to the things of this world above Allah ultimately leads to destruction.

Love of Allah may mean ridicule, attacks or even exile, impriosonment or even death, but the Qur’an emphasizes that Allah will always be with the believer no matter where he is, and will ultimately provide for him. Lut had a likely happy and comfortable life in the city, but his love of Allah came first.

As far as I can remember, the Qur’an mentions no specifically female homosexual acts, but scholars agree that this passage and others can be extended to females as well as males.

This passage carries with it a similar meaning to above, but with regard to the last passage, I must add something.

Althroughout the Qur’an there is emphasis on signs and messengers sent to all people all throughout history. These signs are intended to remind people of their wrongdoing and encourage sincere worship of Allah and repentance for sins committed. The remains of great cities and empires are testament to this.
The belief is that no empire has been without a messenger also, at all times throughout history. Think of Jonah in Ninevah (sp?), Isaiah warning Israel and even Jesus himself. All of these were sent to the people to try and restore proper conduct and proper worship of the One True God. I must emphasize here that Muhammad (pbuh) is the LAST messenger.

An important spiritual lesson is also here. Many people will reject the prophets, as their minds are shut off to any sort of reform of their conduct. These people are said to be ‘far from the Path’ as the Qur’an puts it, and there will be a time when no amount of admonishment will suffice, either when an actual messenger is sent or there is made an example of history where great empires have fallen because of their sin, felled by Allah. They are said to be spiritually dead, as their faculty for sensing the divine is dead, much like a plant which is not given water. Eventually they will face Allah, see their mistake and offer their worship of Allah or something else to try and avoid Hell. But it will be too late.

Wasalaam,

This was useful to unpack the passages in al Quran. I do appreciate it but I am more concerned to know of the specific foundations for Islamic Sexual Moral Teachings.

This passage appears to directly speak of male affections toward other men as we see in in the first passages of the story of Lut but as you suggest by conflicting commentaries which reach different conclusions as to the meaning of this story it’s not very specific. For example, are their any direct claims in al Quran against homosexual lifestyles among women? It doesn’t seem to be mentioned. Are the two passages mentioned the ‘only’ ones that speak about sexual immorality in al Quran?

Thank you for your time and sharing with us your faith.

Peace.
 
TexanKnight, :shamrock2: please accept my apology if you think I was rude to you, but that was not my intention, in my post to exoflare, I wanted him/her to show you the majority of the anti-Christian/Jewish verses found in Quran.

However, in my post to sister in Christ** jakasaki**, I wanted you to read what Quran is teaching regarding Christianity in general…
Moreover, I only read/post on CAF between 5:00am-8:00am (US EST) Saturday-Wednesday using secure hotspot, so I couldn’t reply to your post yesterday.
Please start a new thread to discuss your positive points about Quran because most of those verses as exoflare have pointed out, have been abrogated already…

Sister in Christ (jakasaki):hug1:, thank you very much for defending me :love:, and thank you very much for the invitation, I’m planning to visit you one day in the future, but leaving SA permanently in the time being is still not on my mind…
Jerusha, 🙂 as sister in Christ mentioned, I’m he, please check my CAF homepage…
EddyDRR, http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif, thanks.
Apology accepted.

I was not posting positive things about the Koran. I was posting things that I found interesting. I also clearly mentioned that Jesus not being the Son of God was a show stopper.

I believe that ever religion has its good and bad. Catholics certainly have had their share of bad history. The issue is not good or bad stuff. The issue is what Church is the true Church and truly follows God. The Catholic Church is that Church.
 
Apology accepted.

I was not posting positive things about the Koran. I was posting things that I found interesting. I also clearly mentioned that Jesus not being the Son of God was a show stopper.

I believe that ever religion has its good and bad. Catholics certainly have had their share of bad history. The issue is not good or bad stuff. The issue is what Church is the true Church and truly follows God. The Catholic Church is that Church.
I’ve heard that Islam teaches that Mary is to be honored. Besides being the Virgin Mother of Jesus, what else is taught regarding Mary? Has she ever appeared to a Muslim?
Thanks!
 
I’ve heard that Islam teaches that Mary is to be honored. Besides being the Virgin Mother of Jesus, what else is taught regarding Mary? Has she ever appeared to a Muslim?
Thanks!
to my knowledge, she was told of the birth by Gabriel, but had Jesus on her own and not in Bethlehem. When people thought she had been sexually active, the infant Jesus spoke and told them He was from God. That is all I have read about Mary.
 
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