Islamic Extremism and Roman Catholics

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How should Catholics respond to Muslims militant or non militant who have extremistic ideas on Islam?
 
If I answer this truthfully I’ll be banned. Good luck with this thread. Anything even resembling negativity about Islam will be flagged and deleted. If you want an answer look to Catholic history when dealing with Islam.
 
If the said “extremist ideas” are that the infidel should be killed, and those said “extremist Muslims” act upon that, then those Muslims should be met with force strong enough to cause those “extreme” actions to be stopped.

These actions could be violent like ISIS or they could be more insidious using the current political system. The former should be stopped with force. The latter should be stopped using our political system.
 
If a Catholic or anyone sees that their Muslim neighbor, coworker, acquaintance, etc. is a radical or is being radicalized, they should probably keep an eye on them and report any suspicious activity to the proper authorities.
 
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No.

Anything resembling racism, disrespect towards our non-extremist Muslim CAF’ers, and false “experiences” of being chased and persecuted by hordes of rabid Arabs will be flagged and deleted. The forums are rife with all of these.
 
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I know very very few “extremists” who apply some extreme ways. But that does not source from Islam perhaps from their red-hot characters. Islam do not approve such thing. They use name of Islam. And they do such actions because of some political and economical reasons not in name of religion!

Islam is peace. Then you will ask those verses:
  1. And fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not commit aggression; God does not love the aggressors.
  2. And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they had expelled you. Oppression is more serious than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them. Such is the retribution of the disbelievers.
  3. But if they cease, then God is Forgiving and Merciful.
  4. And fight them until there is no oppression, and worship becomes devoted to God alone. But if they cease, then let there be no hostility except against the oppressors. (Al-Baqarah-2)
The order “kill them” was for Pagans who were attacking Islam. If they stop attacking so there would not be need for retaliation.

And a verse is not used to be interpreted just by itself. Here other verses which conflict with direct meaning of those verses:
  1. There shall be no compulsion in religion; the right way has become distinct from the wrong way. Whoever renounces evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handle; which does not break. God is Hearing and Knowing. (Al-Baqarah-2)
  2. Had your Lord willed, everyone on earth would have believed. Will you compel people to become believers?(Jonah-Yunus-10)
  3. The Messenger’s sole duty is to convey. God knows what you reveal and what you conceal.(Al-Maidah-5)
I think it is issue of non-Muslims to obscure and conceal a very clear fact(Islam).
 
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Bushum said:
If I answer this truthfully I’ll be banned. Good luck with this thread. Anything even resembling negativity about Islam will be flagged and deleted. If you want an answer look to Catholic history when dealing with Islam.
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Yeah it seems the only religion or people of said religion that is allowed to be criticized here is Christianity and especially Catholicism. I got suspended twice. Once for criticizing a a minority of people within a non-Christian religion. Another time for defending Catholic kids who were being smeared all over the media following a pro life rally. I was defending them against others here who were criticizing them! Mind boggling.
 
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How should Catholics respond to Muslims militant or non militant who have extremistic ideas on Islam?
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On this issue, I think I agree with the prominent atheist Sam Harris who argues that extremism in Islam must be undermined from within, by folks like Maajid Nawaz. Others above note that force must be met with force, and that is sad but true.

However, what underlies extremism within some Muslims are errant ideas. So combating Islamic extremism (or any extremism) must be done with a ‘war’ of ideas. And I think the community itself has to self-correct. That isn’t to say that Catholics, atheists, Buddhists cannot offer anything to the community of Islam. They can talk about Islamic extremism and continue to remind the world that it isn’t ok. But, true reform normally comes from within, not from without (from the outside). You can oppose the community from the outside, but to change their hearts and minds? That is usually done from within, I believe.
 
Well, screw it: I’d still say something so that, if something did happen, the blame would be blaced on the authorities that did nothing, not on nobody saying anything.
 
Definitely! I didn’t mean to imply that you shouldn’t. I’m simply trying to show that this political correctness agenda is so insidious that it’s literally getting people killed. The only group of people that is allowed (and encouraged) to be discriminated against is Christians. I know Jesus told us this would happen but it’s still sad and frustrating.
 
If enough preventable attacks happen because the authorities don’t want to look racist or Islamaphobic, people will revolt. There is only so much BS the public can take, no matter how ignorant that public is.
 
“What you call terror groups”

You mean people who behead noncombatants and proudly post videos of those beheadings can be considered something less than terrorists? Those are not the actions of oppressed peoples. Those are the actions of people who want to instill fear in others via displays of brutality.
 
Calling for the death of infidels and stuff like that. The stuff that (name removed by moderator) mentioned is also borderline suspicious.
 
Like I said, it’s borderline suspicious. Obviously, there are too many people who like dumping on countries they willingly immigrated to for that to warrant suspicion.

But, I would report someone if I heard or seen radical talk, seen them consuming radical media, sudden changes in behavior, and secretive behavior. Some combination of all these elements.
 
I’m not talking internment. I’m just saying, if I see something suspicious, I’d report it to the proper authorities so that they can keep an eye on the individual and see if those suspicions are warranted. I’d rather be wrong and hurt a few feelings than have innocent people be killed because nobody said anything.
 
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You’re right! Those people who had the nerve to DRAW Mohammed definitely deserved to die as did the people who had the nerve to peacefully attend Mass in Sri Lanka.

I have flagged your hateful post and hope others do the same. This is what “moderate” Islam is for everyone who insists on keeping their head buried in the sand. Not supporting terrorists directly but also not condemning them and blaming their victims.
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I condemn all kind of terrorism. Not important who commit. I think I am not hateful. I just try to imply that there is no any connection between terrorism and Islam. If there is a hateful thought it is associating Islam with terrorism.

Why do you not consider that when you associate terrorism with Islam so that make Muslims hurt?

Do you think Muslims are so hateful?

The problem is terrorism not Islam. There are many different reasons of terrorism and I point that.
 
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