Islamic Extremism and Roman Catholics

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redbetta said:
Calling for the death of infidels and stuff like that. The stuff that (name removed by moderator) mentioned is also borderline suspicious.
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People of Book are not infidels!

And there are many atheists in Islamic states who can say very clearly that they are atheist. But nobody think to kill them! That is just an atrocious propoganda against Islam.

64- Say, “O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you – that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. (Al-Imran-3)

You see there is no an order of killing!
 
redbetta said:
“What you call terror groups”

You mean people who behead noncombatants and proudly post videos of those beheadings can be considered something less than terrorists? Those are not the actions of oppressed peoples. Those are the actions of people who want to instill fear in others via displays of brutality.
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Do you know who exactly they are? Beheadings videos are propoganda to revile Islam. People think that those guys are some agents or related to some foreing sources. Muslims hate and blame such atrocious acts which allegedly commited in name of Islam.
 
Buddy, I hope to God you are trolling. Do you seriously expect us to believe that ISIS and the like are non-Muslim agents who would behead people in the name of Islam to make Islam look bad?

Buddy, it is people like you who make Islam look bad. People who, instead of calling out extremists and self-policing their religious communities, try to convince everyone that the problem does not exist or blame someone else for it.
 
redbetta said:
Buddy, I hope to God you are trolling. Do you seriously expect us to believe that ISIS and the like are non-Muslim agents who would behead people in the name of Islam to make Islam look bad?

Buddy, it is people like you who make Islam look bad. People who, instead of calling out extremists and self-policing their religious communities, try to convince everyone that the problem does not exist or blame someone else for it.
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Unfortunately such extremists arise in countries like Afghanistan and Syria which are in internal wars. There are many foreign powers and agents in such anarchical territories.

And offcourse there are Muslims(people) who have red-hot character to fall into such thoughts. I struggle against such thoughts and people. They harm all mankind perhaps harm Islam much more.
 
Mere hot-heads don’t behead people and display it proudly on the Internet.
 
mhmtas63 said:
. I just try to imply that there is no any connection between terrorism and Islam. If there is a hateful thought it is associating Islam with terrorism.
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Here it is again everyone. So a terrorist screams Allahu Akbar, cuts off the head of an infidel, claims the murder for the Islamic Caliphate and then WE are the ones that are hateful for seeing what is right in front of us? These aren’t leaps of logic and stretching our imagination that we are dealing with. These attacks are clearly and repeatedly stated to be in the name of Allah and Islam.
mhmtas63 said:
Why do you not consider that when you associate terrorism with Islam so that make Muslims hurt?
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Am I making Muslims hurt as much as the people who get their heads cut off or blown up while attending Mass? If it hurts your feelings then try to do something to stop it. Instead you are playing the victim while blaming the actual (murdered) victims.
mhmtas63 said:
Do you think Muslims are so hateful?
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All of them? Of course not. Some of them? I absolutely do without any doubt whatsoever.
mhmtas63 said:
The problem is terrorism not Islam. There are many different reasons of terrorism and I point that.
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When terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam then yes, the problem is Islam.
 
That isn’t a mere hot-head either. That’s the action of someone either mentally ill or an ideological extremist. Or both.
 
Bushum said:
Here it is again everyone. So a terrorist screams Allahu Akbar, cuts off the head of an infidel, claims the murder for the Islamic Caliphate and then WE are the ones that are hateful for seeing what is right in front of us? These aren’t leaps of logic and stretching our imagination that we are dealing with. These attacks are clearly and repeatedly stated to be in the name of Allah and Islam.

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Those guys who behead people cannot be normal right humanbeing and a Muslim never. Why Muslims were not used to do such acts for centuries but now new types men emerged and do such barbarism in the name of Allah(God) and Islam? Muslims were more powerful in the past. I think there are other fingers in issue!

Who is infidel? A Christian? No. As much we know Christians believe in God.

Some of them.(Muslims who allegedly to be hateful)… Hımmmm… I think you wish to see in that way.
 
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God revealed Qur’an to all people. Look at statements in Qur’an. Non of them is stated by a human(Muhammad). Muhammad could not convey such words by Himself. If you notice verses you will see they are directly from God. Look at. Non of them come out from Muhammad’s mouth. Look at. All verses come from Creator of universe and every thing. Look at. All words come from God of Adam and Noah and Jonah and Moses and Jesus. Look at. Qur’an is directly from God. Muhammad could not read or write. And Muhammad were not educated. Muhammad did not take anything from other people and scripture. If Pagans had seen such thing they would refute Muhammad very easily. But they could not. Pagans prefered to fight with swords. Look at. Qur’an include all knowledges of Torah and Bible. (A man without a computer could not do that!In the desert!)

Qur’an is directly from God. Speaker is God. There are reminders and caution for Muhammad in Qur’an. Just notice. Just read. You will see that. There is more…
 
Bushum said:
When terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam then yes, the problem is Islam
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Agree. There is an issue with the ideology of a system that produces such deadly behaviour.
 
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mhmtas63 said:
People of Book are not infidels!
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As-Salāmu ‘alaykum.

Correct! Moreover, the word ‘infidel’ is not found in the Qur’an…as you know.

Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi (a Sufi) has issued a lengthy Fatwa (legal opinion) against ISIS, declaring them to be Khawarij and, as such, outside the fold of Islam. According to the Shaykh, Muslims have a duty to fight ISIS, and to destroy them. (see his book: ‘Refuting ISIS’).

Syed Hussain bin Osman Madani writes:

‘The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Aal Ash-Sheikh (may Allah preserve him) said that organisations like Al-Qaeda and Daesh are Khawaarij, amongst whom extremism, severity, rigidness, mischief and terrorism are found. Moreover, they are the first enemies of Islam, who slaughter the Muslims to begin with. Thus, these organisations have nothing to do with Islam. In fact they are outside the Deen.’ (referenced in ‘ISIS - DAESH a Catastrophe and a Tribulation’).

Terrorists should be resisted by every lawful means, including lethal force. Muslims (and others, of course) are attempting to do just that.
 
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Bushum said:
Here it is again everyone. So a terrorist screams Allahu Akbar, cuts off the head of an infidel, claims the murder for the Islamic Caliphate and then WE are the ones that are hateful for seeing what is right in front of us?
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I think we have to be careful what we choose to ignore. America had no valid reason to invade Iraq, tens of thousands died, thousands had their property destroyed, two million became refugees. If America and their allies had not invaded Iraq and caused so much misery to ordinary working people, we would not be in this mess now.

America could not bring about a peaceful resolution to what they had started, so they have to take some responsibility for the mess that was created.
 
If Islamic terrorism started only after the Iraq war your theory could at least be reasonable. For the record I think the Iraq war was stupid. I also think the ousting of Qaddafi was stupid. We should not be trying to force democracy on people who so obviously want to be ruled by the iron fist of Sharia law. I say let them be until they try to force people by conquest (yet again) The people in ISIS were clearly waiting for an opportunity to establish another Caliphate. They didn’t get the idea after the war started. People like Saddam kept them in check and suppressed them.

There is clearly something wrong with an ideology that can so easily be misinterpreted by so many to cause this much brutality.
 
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Note: “Christians” denotes people who believe in Christ and they may not all belong to same church or denomination. “muslims” on the other hand all do.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
… America could not bring about a peaceful resolution to what they had started, so they have to take some responsibility for the mess that was created.
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Is that a justification for thousands of Catholics being murdered by Muslims?
 
Niblo said:
Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi (a Sufi) has issued a lengthy Fatwa (legal opinion) against ISIS
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What did he say about the Beslan school siege where 186 children were killed? Honestly, we need more imams and Muslim leaders to speak out strongly against terrorism and Islamic extremism. There are so many good Muslims, these acts of Islamic violence are making them look bad.

Beslan school siege - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Also please see:

The Beslan Massacre: Myths and Facts​

by Alexander Burakov
 
Thank you but as I am a devout Catholic I don’t feel the need to investigate the ideology of islam. However, muslims can choose to repent.
 
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