Islamic Prophecy

[Darrel]

The so called prohecy quoted by the OP is funny. Muhammed predicts that people will sin. This is nothing more then evidence that he was a regular guy and not a prophet. I can easily sit hear and predict an increase in the price of gas and perhaps further cooling in the housing market. I also predict that people will continue to have abortions, children will be disobediant to parents, and people will continue to shoplift.

-D

 

[Angelos]

The problem here is that you are relying way too much on the English translation of the Qur’an and not considering the verses in the way that it should be understood i.e. in it’s original Arabic.

There is actually a somewhat different interpretation of what the verses really mean and this as an excerpt from one such website.

It is clear for any Arabic speaker that the special mention of “in the body” (i.e. bibadanika) means clearly that it is the lifeless body of Pharaoh that was saved and not Pharaoh himself. This is confirmed by the use of the verb drown (i.e., aghraqa) in the verses as the drowned are dead (even in English).

For those who wish to read the article in full, kindly go here:

islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/Internal/qi025.html

Nice tactic to no avail

First, even a native speaker of Arabic will have difficulties understanding Mohammed’s Bible due to its grammatical mistakes and other linguistic problems as well as the presence of many borrowed words.

Second, I am positive neither Dr. Bucaille nor his team can understand what the verse really means because the sentence does not entail Pharaoh’s death:

010: 92 But this day We save thee in thy body that thou mayst be a portent for those after thee. Lo! most of mankind are heedless of Our portents.

The verse still reads save you in the body rather than **save your body **or preserve your body so that **it **can be a sign…!

I wonder how some scholars can claim that the direct object YOU refers only to Pharaoh’s dead body? The only thing we can infer from this sentence is that the supposed sign is Allah’s warning: no one can be saved in the last minute despite repentance & conversion!

However, it is no one’s fault to misunderstand this verse because it is such a vague one open to many interpretations. Put the blame on Mohammed’s scribes

(When will you respond to my other objections?)

Angelos N.

 

[hamba2han]

If you had taken the time to read the article that I posted the link to, you would have found that it answers ALL of the questions that you posted.

 

[Angelos]

The Qur’an is only helpful to those who want to be guided.

Even if one is a native Arab speaker, the Qur’an will not do much good to him if his heart simply does not want to accept what is found within it.

There is after all none so blind as those who choose not to see.

The Koran is only miraculous to those who want to believe its supposed miracles even before hearing them.

Why should I surrender to the personal interpretations of Muslim scholars when the truth is clear in a verse? (Is this what Islam means?)

There is after all none so blind as those who choose not to see that there is nothing miraculous in the quoted verse.

 

[Angelos]

If you had taken the time to read the article that I posted the link to, you would have found that it answers ALL of the questions that you posted.

If you had found time to ponder over my objections - instead of taking refuge in the mistaken assumptions of an Islamic website programmed to distort the Koran for the sake of miracles -, you would not be writing so many posts with no clear explanation of the supposed sign in your scripture.

 

[meedo]

Muhammed predicted that seven months after the fall of Constantinople, the anti-Christ would appear and the end of the world would immediately follow.

Accordingly, Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 636 AD. Constantinople was taken over by Muslims in May 1453 AD. Yet the prophecy regarding Yathrib (Medina) being in ruins and Antichrist’s advent to take place seven months after the conquest of Constantinople did not materialize. Based on the preceding traditions Antichrist was to appear in November 1453.

More false predictions of Muhammed:

answering-islam.de/Main/Shamoun/false_prophecies.htm

I didnt read much of the posts on this thread but my eye caught this one .

Costantinoble is Prophecied to be conqured twice In Islam . One of them at the end of times.

 

[cestusdei]

Constantinople, yes we remember that city. The muslims invaded and destroyed it. Butchered thousands. Raped men, women, and children. Destroyed our churches. All because they would not accept dhimmitude or islam. This is what islam wants to do to America. Thanks for reminding us of islams past depradations. I would have backed the Greeks back in 1922 and reconquered Asia Minor.

I have a prophesy. Islam won’t reform and will continue to murder innocent people while blaming the victims.

 

[Montalban]

Below is an excerpt from a website:

Which ones?

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Ramses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites in the Bible, he died whilst Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Midian.

Obviously a Moslem web-site because they put pbuh after Moses name. However proving that this Pharaoh is Merneptah isn’t the issue, it’s proving that Merneptah is ‘the’ Pharaoh in Exodus

 

[Montalban]

excellent tactic!
if in doubt claim it’s all “clearer” in the original Arabic (which sounds unlikely in most cases considering the difficulties there seem to be in translation)
in other words, treat the infidels like mushrooms
(keep them in the dark and feed them manure)

Arabic seems to be the only known language in which it is impossible to convey an accuarate translation from.

 

[Montalban]

The “infidels” do indeed have a CHOICE.

The can choose to learn Arabic and then read the Qur’an in order to understand it a whole lot better without the need to ask Muslims about the translation.

“You just don’t understand the Koran like we do!”
-typical protest

 

[Eden]

I didnt read much of the posts on this thread but my eye caught this one .

Costantinoble is Prophecied to be conqured twice In Islam . One of them at the end of times.

So, when is Istanbul going to become Constantinople again? This would have to happen before Constantinople could be conquered again, naturally.

 

[mark_a]

bump

Quote:
Singing women will be on the increase.

What’s the deal with this?

 

[Montalban]

So, when is Istanbul going to become Constantinople again? This would have to happen before Constantinople could be conquered again, naturally.

:twocents:
Ages ago I recall skimming through a Moslem web-site - local Moslems here in Australia. They had an article about how the Turks ‘liberated’ Constantinople from the Christians!
:juggle:
How they manage to juggle so many dumb ideas!

 

[Montalban]

Constantinople, yes we remember that city. The muslims invaded and destroyed it. Butchered thousands. Raped men, women, and children. Destroyed our churches. All because they would not accept dhimmitude or islam. This is what islam wants to do to America. Thanks for reminding us of islams past depradations. I would have backed the Greeks back in 1922 and reconquered Asia Minor.

I have a prophesy. Islam won’t reform and will continue to murder innocent people while blaming the victims.

Symrna was allowed to be (what is now termed) ethnicaly cleansed. The British, French and Americans sat by and allowed it to happen because they all wanted something out of the new Turkish government

 

[hamba2han]

However proving that this Pharaoh is Merneptah isn’t the issue, it’s proving that Merneptah is ‘the’ Pharaoh in Exodus

There are only a few candidates for who really was the Pharaoh of the Exodus and among them, Ramses II or Merneptah of the 19th Dynasty, around 1290 BCE were favoured by the large majority of both religious and secular scholars.

When you square this with the discovery by Dr. Maurice Bucaille in 1975 that only the mummified body of Merneptah bore distinct signs which are consistent with that of someone who had drowned, then this can only mean that it was Merneptah who was very likely indeed to have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

 

[Valke2]

It was not uncoomon to preserve the bodies of Pharaohs. We can agree on that. It is also not very unusual to die from drowning, assuming we take Dr. Bucaille’s findings as fact.

I’m highly skeptical of any one’s ability to determine that a mummy drowned. It is interesting that the only sites that mention Dr. Bucaille’s findings are Islamic sites. I would think that such a “discovery” would be mentioned elsewhere as well.
Other sites that do discuss this mummy mention evidence of illness associated with old age as the cause of death.

It is also odd that this discovery of his was enough to get him to convert to Islam. Finding the mummy would be consistent with Christian teaching as well. So that’s a little odd.

I am doubtful as to whether this Dr. even made such a claim. And if he did, it means next to nothing without any other scientific evidence to back up his claim.

 

[hamba2han]

The fact that the websites are produced by Muslims should in no way detract from the truth of what is written in them since any statements made can be checked and verified independently.

And it is not just Dr. Maurice Bucaille who has scientifically examined the mummy of Merneptah.

In 1907, Elliot Smith also performed a proper scientific examination on the body as can be read in the following excerpt from another “Islamic” website:

**One of the most intriguing predictions made by the Qur’an concerns a Pharaoh of Egypt, called Merneptah, who was the son of Rameses II. According to historical records, this king was drowned in pursuit of Moses in the Red Sea. When the Qur’an was revealed, the only other mention of Pharaoh was in the Bible, the sole reference to his having drowned being in the book of Exodus: ‘And the waters returned, and covered the ‘chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.’

Amazingly, when this was all the world knew about the drowning of Pharaoh, the Qur’an produced this astounding revelation: ‘We shall save you in your body, this day, so that you may become a sign to all posterity.’

How extraordinary this verse must have appeared when it was revealed. At that time no one knew that the Pharaoh’s body was really intact, and it was nearly 1400 hundred years before this fact came to light. It was a Professor Loret who, in 1898, was the first to find the mummified remains of the Pharaoh who lived in Moses’ day. For 3000 years the corpse had remained wrapped in a sheet in the Tomb of the Necropolis at Thebes where Loret had found it, until July 8, 1907, when Elliot Smith uncovered it and subjected it to proper scientific examination. In 1912 he published a book entitled The Royal Mummies. His research had proved that the mummy discovered by Loret was indeed that of the Pharaoh who ‘knew Moses, resisted his pleas, pursued him as he took flight, and lost his life in the process.’ His earthly remains were saved by the will of God from destruction to become a sign to man, as is written in the Qur’an.**

 

[jack_hawkins]

The Qur’an is only helpful to those who want to be guided.

Even if one is a native Arab speaker, the Qur’an will not do much good to him if his heart simply does not want to accept what is found within it.

There is after all none so blind as those who choose not to see.

What a lot of meaningless baloney!
Have you heard of Popper, hamba2han?
If so, why did you write this nonsense?

and to go onto your other statement, if someone is blind, that’s Allah’s fault anyway - so how can they be blamed?

and why would someone choose not to see - answer that one!?
there is no such medical condition as voluntary blindness

 

[Valke2]

I’m not saying that just because something appears on an Islamic website, it is suspect.

I am saying that just because something appears ONLY on islamic websites, when that something is supposed to be a scientific discovery that supports a Quran prophecy, it is suspect.

Find me an independent source that substantiates what you’ve read. I haven’t been able to find anything that discuss how the Dr. came to the conclusion of drowning.

 

[hamba2han]

and why would someone choose not to see - answer that one!?
there is no such medical condition as voluntary blindness

This ‘blindness’ is not medical in nature as it is not the blindness of the eyes but rather of the heart that is being referred to here.

One’s heart just refuses to see the truth.