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Is it ever OK, for a person to preach from the Koran, at a Catholic Church, or even a Cathedral? If so why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship? What about a interfaith pray service with Jewish, Hiduism, Buddhism etc… How does this differ from worshipping?
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james121400:
Is it ever OK, for a person to preach from the Koran, at a Catholic Church, or even a Cathedral?
Absolutely NEVER
If so why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship?
This question isn’t very clear- you should be more mindful of punctuation. I’ll answer it as best I can. “If so, why?”- because the Koran is not inspired by God, and Islam is not compatible with Christianity. “Is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship?”- depends on what you mean by “take part”- if you just go to observe- it is fine, unless it endangers your faith. “Why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship”- well, if you participate in their rituals, you are professing a Faith that is not Catholic.
What about a interfaith pray service with Jewish, Hiduism, Buddhism etc… How does this differ from worshipping?
It doesn’t- don’t do it.
 
There is a practical reason for the restriction of participation in the sacred (communio in sacris) with other faiths. First, as was said above it is not proper to actively participate in another faith’s worship because you might be implying to those around you that you as a Catholic are giving formal assent to their faith. Second, it could a scandal to other Catholics who may not be as stong in their convictions so it could lead them into the error of religious indifferentism. Third, it is not a benefit to the soul to participate in worship that is intrinsically in error when you know that it is in error. We are formed by those things that we surround ourselves with thus it is a benefit to the individual soul to avoid things that do violence to the proper practice of the virtue of religion.
 
When I was in college, right after 9/11, the priest at the local Catholic Church substituted the Epistel reading with a reading from the Koran. (His reason was to show unity.) However, I was upset that he substitued the reading, that’s like reading from the Gospel of Thomas in stead of the required Gospel reading. I would not have had a problem if he wanted to reference those verses of the Koran in his Homily.
 
With countless books and articles that are written by Christians, and only a short time for a homily, why is there a need to reference the things that aren’t ours? Isn’t the Bible good enough? Aren’t the writings of the Saints and of other Catholic writers good enough? There are plenty of Catholic (and Anglican, since their views are often very similar) writers out there.

Remember what Winston Churchill said- Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The 7 Churches in Asia St. John talks about in the Apocalypse are now virtually nonexistant- they are Muslim now. Have people read about the Moorish invasion where the pope asked people to pray the rosary, and Europe was spared? Have people read from the Koran the command to kill Christians? Reading from the Koran at Mass is like reading Mein Kampf at a Synagogue.
 
When I was in college, right after 9/11, the priest at the local Catholic Church substituted the Epistel reading with a reading from the Koran. (His reason was to show unity.) However, I was upset that he substitued the reading, that’s like reading from the Gospel of Thomas in stead of the required Gospel reading. I would not have had a problem if he wanted to reference those verses of the Koran in his Homily.
Just when I think that I have heard everything, something new takes the cake. This is reprehensible, particularly after 9/11.
 
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james121400:
Is it ever OK, for a person to preach from the Koran, at a Catholic Church, or even a Cathedral? If so why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship? What about a interfaith pray service with Jewish, Hiduism, Buddhism etc… How does this differ from worshipping?
Thanks
James
It is very wrong to preach from the Koran at a Catholic Cathedral! Why? Because it is a Catholic Church and not a muslim mosque. Futhermore, the Koran teaches things that are contrary to the Catholic faith. To preach that which is not Catholic in a Catholic Church is contradictory and hypocritcal. As for praying with other persons, we can pray with Jews and other Christians because they worship the same God as we do. We cannot pray with hindus because they wroship flase Gods. That would idolotry.
 
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m134e5:
Have people read about the Moorish invasion where the pope asked people to pray the rosary, and Europe was spared? Have people read from the Koran the command to kill Christians? Reading from the Koran at Mass is like reading Mein Kampf at a Synagogue.
Please show me where the rosary has been credited for repelling the Moorish invasion.

Also please show me where the Koran commands the killing of Christians.

I’m not saying the reading of the Qur’an was appropriate in a Mass, and it definitively is not appropriate to replace a liturgical reading, but lets not jump on the anti-Islam-hysteria bandwagon.
 
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m134e5:
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Reading from the Koran at Mass is like reading Mein Kampf at a Synagogue.
Some of the verses of the Quran are undoubtedly beautiful when speaking of the majesty of God, but I believe that reading the holy book of another religion when it outrightly opposes Christianity and the truths we believe to be definitely revealed, is not correct nor wise-more so with the flase impression given by reading this at the position for an inspired text. However, comparing the Quran to the Mein Kampf leaves much to be desired and even comes across as insulting.
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Skotnicki:
Please show me where the rosary has been credited for repelling the Moorish invasion.
I think the poster was referring to the Battle of Lepanto on Oct.7, 1571 when the Turks were defeated by a combined Christian(Spain, Venice and the like) fleet. St.Pius V attributed this to the intercession of our lady and introduced the feast of Our Lady of Victory currently known as Our Lady of the Rosary.
 
I will not go to a non-Catholic church for that very reason. In the South , we catholics are few anyway. But if I went to a non Catholic service here they are apt to say something against my Catholic faith. I would have to leave if that happened. I was raised protestant and have asked my faimly as nice as possible not to ask me to go to their services anymore. they seem to understand so far.
 
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Skotnicki:
Also please show me where the Koran commands the killing of Christians.
It’s all over the place in the Koran- there is too much of it to put here. Just search for it online- you’ll find several references to the killing of “infidels” (and that infidels refers to Christians and Jews). Can we not learn from history?
 
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AJV:
I think the poster was referring to the Battle of Lepanto on Oct.7, 1571 when the Turks were defeated by a combined Christian(Spain, Venice and the like) fleet. St.Pius V attributed this to the intercession of our lady and introduced the feast of Our Lady of Victory currently known as Our Lady of the Rosary.
Here is a good background on the battle, as well as the poem by GK Chesterton.

geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/5443/lepanto.htm
 
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james121400:
Is it ever OK, for a person to preach from the Koran, at a Catholic Church, or even a Cathedral? If so why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship? What about a interfaith pray service with Jewish, Hiduism, Buddhism etc… How does this differ from worshipping?
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James
Horrors! Was it a priest who did this, or was the Church used for another purpose by another faith group?

To worship with another religion is a sin against faith, since we would be professing belief in a religion we know is false. Jesus instituted the one holy, catholic and apostolic church because He wished to be worshipped in that manner. We would be giving bad example by attending these other services as well as exposing ourselves to the danger of losing our faith.
 
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m134e5:
Absolutely NEVER

This question isn’t very clear- you should be more mindful of punctuation. I’ll answer it as best I can. “If so, why?”- because the Koran is not inspired by God, and Islam is not compatible with Christianity. “Is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship?”- depends on what you mean by “take part”- if you just go to observe- it is fine, unless it endangers your faith. “Why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship”- well, if you participate in their rituals, you are professing a Faith that is not Catholic.

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It doesn’t- don’t do it.

The problem here is that the Vatican has, apparently, no difficulty in principle with such activities.​

And yet, it used to be dead set against them - to put it mildly. Which seems to show that the Vatican is very good at justifying completely opposite courses of action. Which is a good way to undermine confidence that the Vatican knows what it is doing: for it can hardly be appalled at the notion that Protestants should receive the Eucharist (as it used to be) - then behave as though it were no big deal for Protestant ordinations to take place in Catholic cathedrals, or for Catholic churches to be the place for Sikhs, Muslims, Jains, Buddhists, etc., to worship.

It is not enough, theologically, to say that those in authority have authority to alter the laws which govern how the Church behaves: for though that is true, the authority of the Church to legislate can’t be unlimited - it is limited by the mission and nature of the Church: so the appeal to law is not an appeal of unlimited validity: which is why no law could justify (let us say) human sacrifice in a church: for human sacrifice is not something the Church can ever allow as an act of worship - so it can’t be legislated for.

That is an extreme example 🙂 - it shows that some things cannot be within the competence of the Church to do, not doctrinally, not legally either.

And ISTM that the Church cannot justify, legally or otherwise, acts of inter-religious worship.

Apart from anything else, what is the theological basis for such things ? They need to be shown to be an expression of the Church’s worship of the Blessed Trinity - but how can those who do not have faith in Christ witness to that Mystery if they are not part of the community of the redeemed, the Church of Christ ?

Christian worship is a public act - it is an act of believing Christians: so how can those who are not believing Christians, share in it ? God is not confined to the Church - but neither is the Church the same as the human race: to be Christian, is not compatible with animism, or nature worship, or polytheism. So there are acts of worship which are not acts of Christian worship. There are things that Christian worship is - and things that it is not. There are things that it cannot be, cannot include, things which, if included, cannot be made Christian.

Muslims (say) may be “worship[ping] the Father in spirit and in truth” - but if so, that is known to God, not to us in the Church. So Muslims cannot take part in the Eucharist. because Christian faith is a social thing, made visible by acts, words, sacraments, and so on. Since they do not do anything which is specifically Christian, their worship can’t be assumed to be Christian - it has to be assumed not to be.

(BTW - “the Vatican” is my shorthand for “the characters who organise and teach and regulate the official expressions of the life of the Church on earth” - for we are all members of the Church, just are they are: so calling them “the Church” is insufficient.)
 
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james121400:
Is it ever OK, for a person to preach from the Koran, at a Catholic Church, or even a Cathedral? If so why is it against the Catholic faith to take part in a non-Catholic worship? What about a interfaith pray service with Jewish, Hiduism, Buddhism etc… How does this differ from worshipping?
Thanks
James
I was told it was OK by a Deacon from the Archdiocese of New Orleans. He works for the Archdiocese. He has set up a interfaith prayer service after Hurricane Katrina. He has Muslim, Jewish, Hinduism, Buddhism etc… coming to preach from their respective books (Bible). I told him this was not right but he went on about why we all can’t pray during this time in New Orleans. He is also dead set on having women priest, and married priest, we all know his views, “tear do the Catholic Church”. He made these statements in front of about thirty people. It scares me that no one else questioned him. They all just thought he was correct because he was a Deacon that worked for the Archdiocese. He tried to make me look like the stupid one. By the way he also stated that it is OK to vote for a candidate who supports abortion, regardless of who they are running against.

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James
 
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james121400:
I was told it was OK by a Deacon from the Archdiocese of New Orleans. He works for the Archdiocese.
With the evidence…
He has set up a interfaith prayer service after Hurricane Katrina. He has Muslim, Jewish, Hinduism, Buddhism etc… coming to preach from their respective books (Bible). I told him this was not right but he went on about why we all can’t pray during this time in New Orleans. He is also dead set on having women priest, and married priest, we all know his views, “tear do the Catholic Church”. He made these statements in front of about thirty people. It scares me that no one else questioned him. They all just thought he was correct because he was a Deacon that worked for the Archdiocese. He tried to make me look like the stupid one. By the way he also stated that it is OK to vote for a candidate who supports abortion, regardless of who they are running against.
You can clearly see he has no credibility whatsoever. Pray for him- he is an ordained minister of God who is clearly neglecting his duties.
 
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james121400:
I was told it was OK by a Deacon from the Archdiocese of New Orleans.
Stuff like this makes me wonder why need deacons at all.
 
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Skotnicki:
Please show me where the rosary has been credited for repelling the Moorish invasion.

Also please show me where the Koran commands the killing of Christians.

I’m not saying the reading of the Qur’an was appropriate in a Mass, and it definitively is not appropriate to replace a liturgical reading, but lets not jump on the anti-Islam-hysteria bandwagon.
Read the suras in the “Heffer” for starters if you want to see where there is an advocation for killing of those who do not adopt “regular prayer.”

Also as a previous poster noted it was the Battel of Leponto where the Rosary was commanded to be prayed by the Pope for victory against insurmountable odds and after the battle was won Our Lady was given the title of “Our Lady of Victory.”
 
There is a popular photograph of JPII kissing the koran. If the pope has kissed it, then shouldn’t we assume that at least some of the things written in it are inspired by God and that it would therefore be suitable to read in a Cathedral? I don’t think it should be, but what can I say when the Supreme Pontiff himself showed reverence to it?

riw.us/pr/Catholic/Pope_Koran.jpg
 
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mcliffor:
There is a popular photograph of JPII kissing the koran. If the pope has kissed it, then shouldn’t we assume that at least some of the things written in it are inspired by God and that it would therefore be suitable to read in a Cathedral? I don’t think it should be, but what can I say when the Supreme Pontiff himself showed reverence to it?
Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, had one burning overwhelming desire and that was that all religions be united under one banner with the Holy Catholic Church at the center. All other religions would naturally fall into circles around her and would look to her for guidance. That was his dream.

Hopelessly naive, and probably imposssible, but it was his dream. His entire tenure was devoted to that end. He did and said many things that seem at first sight to be almost blasphemous. They all had one thing in common and that was desperately finding some common ground for ALL religions. And with that fact in mind he was willing to do, say and permit almost anything that would accelerate the realization of that goal.

If he did indeed kiss the Koran it was no doubt with that aim in mind.
 
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