Islamic slavery in Arabian Peninsula.

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Quran 2:178 clearly shows that a slave person does not equal a free person, contrarily that verse encourages slavery.

Slavery is being practised till now (“In 1953, sheikhs from Qatar attending the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II included slaves in their retinues, and they did so again on another visit five years later” -Source-) , however, the 21st century version of slavery is being called “Sponsor Law”, you only have to search “Human Right Watch” website and read many articles regarding that new slavery system, even worst Ishmael’ descendants are using force with their slaves as shown in these few videos:

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Actually that gives the Bible more and more authenticity when it exactly mentioned that in (Genesis 16:11-12).

The conclusion that Christianity upgraded humans from slavery to be children of GOD, while Islam came to restore slavery back to devil.
 
I couldn’t get through them…

I worked in East Africa…and the natives told us there were members of their people taken out as late as the 1920’s to be used as slaves, but they didn’t identify the perpetrators.

I later came across on You Tube…the story of Filipina women stuck in Saudi Arabia…they came there for work, as there are little opportunities in the Philippines where a small minority lives in excess while so many are poor…the poor will do just about anything to get some money…the film was produced at a safe house in Saudi Arabia with these young girls, many of them pregnant and or with children…one young girl was so traumatized holding her daughter, that she was shaking uncontrollably.

Slavery was legal under the Roman law. Once the Romans no longer governed, the pope was free to declare slavery as inhumane. In the Old Testament, a Hebrew considered someone their slave if they owed them something, and was their property until the debt was paid off. When the debt was paid off, they were freed.

St. Paul speaks of the status of freeman or slave…

But there is this barbarous inhumane treatment…and then there is also the great and emerging new slave trade…human trafficking is growing by leaps and bounds in America…my state values the free speech of porn, looks the other way…when I brought it up to my neighbors…

When I brought up the possibility for those who were open, to have a bible and prayer group, I was put down, humiliated…speaking out of turn.

I don’t go to neighborhood groups any more.

I pray for Christ’s return…only He can stop these wicked people…and how many will be persecuted and killed in between?..pray and penance…
 
The Bible states that slavery is ok in certain circumstances. So what if the Quran does too?

The slave trade which blighted America, Britain and Africa was also often supported with the Bible - so I’ve heard. Incorrectly of course, but still, the attempt was made.

It still happens now - whether it’s the Western sex/domestic slaves, or the Middle Eastern kind as mentioned here. The only difference is that one is more open about it than the other. And of course, one often has support from those higher up and the other (hopefully) does not.
 
Touched this on my post…

By the way, the videos you gave, Sam, as I said I could not finish watching them.

In contrast, here is a video about a Muslim who came to America to wage cultural jihad…

www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/AL32v1_WS

The importance of prayer…and the freedom of spirit the Lord gives…so in ancient Roman times up to the fall of the Roman Empire, slavery was legal and Christians lived among it…or were slaves themselves…but knew the liberty of Christ.
 
Thanks, Schaick…

I also read a graphic historical on the white European woman slave trade…they were shaved, stripped of any clothes, in chains, and placed on platforms…ready for use…

I also read a testimony by someone who saw many people of many races come off of a boat…families…individuals…the tremendous affliction on their faces…many dropping to the floor…horrific.

This is so evil…that Satan himself enslaves the slavemaster…

I also wonder the comparison between the Roman slavemasters with Islam and the other collaborators…I heard that a teenager was pretty much used up by the time they were 16…and the Roman citizens had to stand in line to get their food then go to the coliseums to spend the day time…as their slaves did everything for them.

God have mercy…

Human trafficking in America…the new slavery…my porn state I recently heard now is near the top…but woe to you that says anything in public about new freedom in Jesus Christ.
 
KathleenGee said:
the film was produced at a safe house in Saudi Arabia with these young girls, many of them pregnant and or with children…one young girl was so traumatized holding her daughter, that she was shaking uncontrollably.
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Worst, there are lots and lots of incidents here where those slaves or their slavemasters just dump those infants on the streets or next to a mosques doors…
LemonAndLime said:
The Bible states that slavery is ok in certain circumstances.
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I think that was in the OT, however, I do not see a single verse from JESUS which supports or okaying slavery in the NT.
KathleenGee said:
By the way, the videos you gave, Sam, as I said I could not finish watching them.
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I agree they are very violent.
schaick said:
Please read:

christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-TheScourgeofSlavery.htm
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Good link, thanks Schaick.
KathleenGee said:
I also wonder the comparison between the Roman slavemasters with Islam and the other collaborators…
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One is a man-made slavery system, and the other one is “suppose to be from God”.
So it would be expected for the slavery to be supported and encouraged by a man-made law, BUT from God that would be very hard to accept.
 
Sam_777: Thanks for making this thread. The videos were unbearable to watch. In the second video, a commentator wrote in Arabic, suggesting to delete the video because it is detrimental to Saudi Arabia and its people.

Slavery from wherever needs to be exposed for what it is: crime against human dignity.

KathleenGee: Thanks for sharing your experiences both in East Africa and in your state.

schaick: Thanks for the link “The Scourge of Slavery”.

LemonAndLime: I think you meant slavery was supported in the Old Testament but not in the New Testament of the Bible.
 
Yes, it needs to be exposed…and it is coming to areas where free sex and pornography in the USA are rampant.

So many young people today living outside of marriage…with no shame, no sense of the sacred covenant…

The abortionists knew they won the battle when people disassociated sex from the creation of an innocent human being.

And I also feel so sorry for those young girls who came to work, and provide help for their families in the Philippines…that did so little for them and save them…

Some times cultures that have such a great value for virginity—once it is destroyed…the women are looked upon as used and worthless…and unwed mothers are treated with such contempt.

That is why militant Muslims will rape Christian women because no Christian man will want them…and it is part of ethnic cleansing and reducing the population and its future.

Today enslavement to sin is so great, and so many millions of babies are abandoned or aborted, the lives of young women destroyed in cultures who no longer want them…that this is a crime crying out to God for justice.
 
I’d like to point out that the single greatest enslaved population in the world was Muslims enslaved by Christians.

The vast majority of black slaves brought to the Americas prior to 1865 were Muslims, which was the dominant faith in North and West Africa. They were forcibly converted (at least nominally) to Christianity. 11-15 million people. (I remember Alex Haley’s Roots portrays the continued limited practice of Islam by Kunta Kinte).

Both the Old Testament and the New Testament condone slavery. St. Paul did not attack the institution as unjust in Philemon, for example.
 
AmericanMuslim said:
I’d like to point out that the single greatest enslaved population in the world was Muslims enslaved by Christians.
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That’s absolutely false.
The vast majority of black slaves brought to the Americas prior to 1865 were Muslims, which was the dominant faith in North and West Africa. They were forcibly converted (at least nominally) to Christianity. 11-15 million people.
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11-15 million, you say? And I quote: “Historians agree between 11 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900.” (source; emphases mine)

Now, I’m not a fancy big city lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that 18 is a bigger number than 15, and that 1900 is later than 1863.

So it would seem that, in keeping with your own characterization that the majority of enslaved peoples taken from Africa were Muslims, the single greatest enslaved population in the world were MUSLIMS enslaved by OTHER MUSLIMS. This enslavement of black Africans actually intensified after the end of the transatlantic slave trade, since Muslims could no longer depend on white slaves from the Caucasus after the Russians established their own empire in those areas that had previously been plentiful sources of slaves for the Muslims.
 
Slavery has no place in Islam. There is no such thing as Islamic slavery! Stop coining that phrase! :mad:
 
Sam didn’t coin that phrase. Deal with the reality of your own history, please.
 
1LtMatya said:
Slavery has no place in Islam. There is no such thing as Islamic slavery! Stop coining that phrase! :mad:
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif Tell that to your fellow Muslim and former candidate for the Kuwaiti parliament:
“Salwa Al-Mutairi proclaimed that a sex slave trade would prevent Kuwait’s Muslim men from extramarital sexual activity, explaining that a purchase transaction for a sex partner would be tantamount to marriage.” Link.
 
dzheremi said:
the single greatest enslaved population in the world were MUSLIMS enslaved by OTHER MUSLIMS.
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😦 Sadly YES, the link by our fellow member **schaick **and “Human Right Watch” website clearly show that…
 
dzheremi said:
That’s absolutely false.
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Slavery in the US didn’t happen?
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That is a fine source - but as you’d read in the article there on the Atlantic Slave Trade, 11-15 million came to the US. Your number is inclusive of that.

Were some Africans complicit in the enslavement of their people? Yes, absolutely. But without a hungry market, it wouldn’t have happened. And that market was Americans, who happened to be Christian.

Between the rape/enslavement of the Americas by Spanish and British colonizers, the Atlantic slave trade, and the OT/NT endorsing of slavery…I don’t think Christians should be eager to get into discussions of slavery.
 
AmericanMuslim said:
Slavery in the US didn’t happen?
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What? Of course it happened. The statement that the largest number were Muslims enslaved by Christians is false. They were enslaved by Arabs.
That is a fine source - but as you’d read in the article there on the Atlantic Slave Trade, 11-15 million came to the US. Your number is inclusive of that.
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No it is not inclusive of the transatlantic trade. Continuing the quote, we see the following: “Historians agree between 11 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900, compared to 9.4 to 14 million Africans brought to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade.” It is talking about two distinct (but interrelated) trades, of two mostly distinct populations (West African slaves to the Americas, East Africans to the Middle East/Ottoman Empire).
Were some Africans complicit in the enslavement of their people? Yes, absolutely. But without a hungry market, it wouldn’t have happened. And that market was Americans, who happened to be Christian.
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Yes, PART OF THE MARKET was in the mostly-Christian Americas. An at least equally large, probably larger market (again, 11 to 18 million vs. 9.4 to 14 million) existed in the ARAB-MUSLIM world. That’s my only point. I don’t think it’s Islam’s fault, per se, but I do think that in terms of numbers, the fact that slavery legally existed on a larger scale and for a longer time in the Arab-Muslim world than it did in the Christian world is an incontrovertible fact. I know you think you’re defending your religion from people who are trying to blame it for slavery, but if in the process you have to close your eyes to reality, what is the point?

As far as religion and slavery are concerned, say whatever you’d like about the Christians and their failure to recognize the inherent immorality of slavery (I’d agree with probably anything you’d say, with the caveat that we’d both be projecting our enlightened 21st century mindsets onto the past). That too won’t change the fact that (according to Lewis, who is certainly not anti-Islam) with regard to the abolition of slavery in the Middle East “the initial impetus for abolition had come from Europe, and for some time progress in this matter was due almost entirely to European urging and action.” (source: second link in original post)
Between the rape/enslavement of the Americas by Spanish and British colonizers, the Atlantic slave trade, and the OT/NT endorsing of slavery…I don’t think Christians should be eager to get into discussions of slavery.
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And given your own unwillingness to face the reality of the slave trade as it relates to your coreligionists (which is not generally a property found in modern Christians, as opposed to Muslims; cf. your own posts), I don’t think that Christians are the only ones who should be less than eager to point fingers in this discussion.
 
AmericanMuslim said:
I’d like to point out that the single greatest enslaved population in the world was Muslims enslaved by Christians.


  1. *]The vast majority of black slaves brought to the Americas prior to 1865 were Muslims, which was the dominant faith in North and West Africa. They were forcibly converted (at least nominally) to Christianity. 11-15 million people. (I remember Alex Haley’s Roots portrays the continued limited practice of Islam by Kunta Kinte).

    *]Both the Old Testament and the New Testament condone slavery. St. Paul did not attack the institution as unjust in Philemon, for example.
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  1. *]The people enslaved in North Africa were non-black pagans and Muslims that were prisoners of war put into slavery rather than killing them.

    *]The sub-Saharan West Africans that were enslaved were not Muslim. They practiced and many still practice the religion of Yoruba. You can still find Yoruba practiced in the Americas but by different names. IN Haiti and Louisiana it is called Vou Dou (Voo Doo). In the Cuban and Brazilian cultures it is called Santeria. Santeria derives its name from the word saint because the slaves from West Africa concealed their Yoruba religion by using Catholic imagery. Many of you here might remember Ricky Ricardo on I Love Lucy singing Bablu. Babalu is an African God and Cubans that practice Santeria use the statue of Lazarus (from the parable not the one Jesus resuscitated) as representing Babalu.

    *]The examples of slavery in the new and old testament are either prisoners of war or indentured servants. People would willingly sell themselves in to slavery with the possibility to but their freedom back. What slavery turned into in the United States was a true abomination. The slaves in the U.S. were treated like property/animals. This is not condoned in The Old or New Testaments.

    *]From what I understand, it is very similar in the Quaran. However, under Sharia law sex slaves seem to be permissible. Although you cannot let others have sex with your slave. This whole sex slave thing is not acceptable in Christianity.

    *]By the way, the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution did not just end slavery but also indentured servitude of whites.
 
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