Islamic teaching questions

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Niblo, please understand this from the True Trinity which your verses never touch on. We find common ground that Jesus was fully human, no Catholic Christian denies Jesus full humanity. So your verses do not reject the Triinity because it does not clarify what it denies. You only have shown that the Quran believes that Jesus was fully human, I do not disagree with Jesus being fully human.

Here is where your verses never touch on the True Trinity. The Word of God is God do deny this? Does the Quran deny that God’s Word is not of God? If this is so, then the Quran becomes blasphemy and heretical
The Word of God created all things. Thus the Word of God took on flesh to fulfill God’s Word for our fallen humanity and all of creation. This Word of God the prophets foretold about, the Angels pre-announced including Gabriel is Jesus Christ the Word of God incarnate.

Tell me Niblo, does the Quran reject that the Voice of God and the Word of God are two different Gods’? Can the Quran separate or divide the Voice of God from God’s Word?
We agree that the nature of Jesus Christ is fully human in every way except sin. What your Quran does not clarify is the Word of God, or the Love of God in Presence within space and time. We both agree that God the Father in heaven does not proceed. But God’s Word and God’s Love does proceed to us in space and time to give divine revelation.
The Quran never enter’s into these mysteries of God which Jesus Christ has revealed to us in the Father.
 
You are mistaken. The Quran makes it perfect clear that the Word of God is God. Had the Quran given the correct Blessed Trinity description believed in by the Catholic Church, during the time when the Quran was first uttered. We may have a truthful discussion about the Quran.

Thus far, the only argument’s against a heretical trinity come from the Quran and it’s commentators of the Quran who do not deny the True Trinity. Only a heretical pagan tri-deity’s is denied.

God the Father never has a bio-logical son which the Quran hints at. We as Catholic’s would consider this blasphemy. The Word which created all things, became flesh and dwelt among us. Who dares to place God in a box and claim God’s Word could never create or become flesh, when the prophecies of God speak of such a Messiah who is to come. Jesus fulfilled these prophecies. Yet your Quran does not speak of the prophecies which God’s Word fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
 
Niblo said:
‘And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord .’ (12: 28-29; KJV).
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I don’t use the KJV, but it will do here.
Does the Quran have a problem with Jesus teaching from His humanity the ways of God? I follow Jesus the Word incarnate explaining what the Word of God divinely revealed from the prophets. Later Jesus will teach them, “if you have seen me (Jesus) you have seen the Father”, and I tell you, “the Father is in me and I am in the Father”, and Jesus teaches, "the Father and the Son are ONE.
What Jesus reveals here is never a contradiction, But a fulfillment of God’s Word being fulfilled in the Word of God incarnate (full humanity). Only God can give divine revelation and fulfill divine prophetic revelation. This Son (Word of God incarnate Jesus) does everything the Father does as ONE GOD

These Words of Jesus are prophet fulfilling.
I have paid you the courtesy of reading your postings. Thank you for your effort and explanation on this thread.

Peace be with you
 
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
Was it Ali-Imran who introduced a false trinity into the Quran?
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Qur’an is direct word of God. How many times should I repeat? You may not believe but for me Qur’an is direct word of God. All sentences were rvevealed by God through Holy Spirit to propthet Muhammad. Muhammad could not add or cancel any word from revelation by himself.

3- Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

4- It is not but a revelation revealed, An-Najm(53)
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Is it done in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit each time?
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All worships are done for approval of God. God is unique. Father is unique God. God is one but not three.To be Muslims Shahada is enounced. Shahada is done in the name of God and prophet Muhammad. But we never think Muhammad share Deity with God.

“La ilaha illallah Muhammad Rasulullah”
 
If not done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you’re not following who you believe to be a prophet of God.
 
mhmtas63 said:
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman:
Again, why baptize in the name of a human?
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Not just a human but prophet of Father! To be Muslim also one must mention name of prophet Muhammad(Profess also in name of Muhammad).
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Jesus commanded us to baptize. Just curious, as far as I know, Muslims do not baptize, yet they said that they believe in Jesus even more than Christians. What give?
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
If not done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you’re not following who you believe to be a prophet of God.
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Jesus had a religion that means Jesus taught a way how to believe in God and worship. Jesus call to that. Also Muhammad has a way which include the ways of all prophets. So Muslims believe in all prophets including Jesus. Muslims do orders that Jesus preached but in form of a new manner which we call Islam.
 
Reuben_J said:
esus commanded us to baptize. Just curious, as far as I know, Muslims do not baptize, yet they said that they believe in Jesus even more than Christians. What give?
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We believe in all prophets and do not distinct and distinguish between them. But we follow on Muhammad and Islam incclude all religious laws(Sharias). The name of baptism is “wudu” or “ablution”. Muslim have perfect form of baptism as we have all perfect form of worships.
 
mhmtas63 said:
We believe in all prophets and do not distinct and distinguish between them. But we follow on Muhammad and Islam incclude all religious laws(Sharias). The name of baptism is “wudu” or “ablution”. Muslim have perfect form of baptism as we have all perfect form of worships.
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A pretty poor compliance, I would say.

Wudu is not baptism obviously – except for water, nothing is the same there.

Jesus commandment is very specific:

Mt. 28:18-20
18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”…

He said to baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

And to obey all that He had commanded.

Wudu is not baptism, and if it is the Islam version, it is a wrong way to baptize. You make me want to laugh when you mentioned ablution as baptism.
 
Reuben_J said:
Wudu is not baptism , and if it is the Islam version, it is a wrong way to baptize . You make me want to laugh when you mentioned ablution as baptism.
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I just tried to show that both religious laws of Islam and Christians were reevaled by God. Otherwise your religion to you and our for us. Muslim do not need baptism as you definite because Islam has perfect form of worships.
 
So you can disrespect Jesus if Muhammad said otherwise? Why even call Jesus a prophet? Furthermore, where did Muhammad say to not engage in Trinitarian baptism?
 
Muslims do not comply Christianity because they know Christianity is not Jesus’ teaching.
 
I am not a Catholic, so perhaps the writer, Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman, could tell me where in the Catechism of the Catholic Church it says that the Qur’an is hogwash.
 
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