Islamic teaching questions

[Reuben_J]

So is the Trinity consist of the father, Jesus and Mary as the Quran said?

 

[mhmtas63]

So is the Trinity consist of the father, Jesus and Mary as the Quran said?

80- Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? Ali-Imran(3)

Angels: Ruh-ul Kudus or Holy Spirit(Gabriel)

Prophets: Jesus

God reject not just Trinity but all kinds of Paganism(Politeist) thought. In other verses God notice People of Book not to take their monks as lords beside God:

31- They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. At-Tawbah(9)

 

[theCardinalbird]

And they were not commanded except to worship one God

Us Catholics also believe in only one God. We have a monotheistic religion

 

[Reuben_J]

So the Quran was in error. The Trinity is not father, Jesus and Mary.

And Christians do not take scholars and monks as Lord.

So with that kind of mistakes, the only conclusion that one can make is that this information is not from God. Waraka? Maybe.

 

[mhmtas63]

So the Quran was in error. The Trinity is not father, Jesus and Mary.

I would hope to hear something reasonable!

 

[mhmtas63]

And Christians do not take scholars and monks as Lord.

The meaning is that: Christians give their scholars the authority to change religion and faith. But only God has authority to make laws in faith and religion. Examples:

To cover oneself should be a law in religion but we see Christians do not obey that God’s law. Who did abolish that law?

Only God can forgive sins. Who forgive sins in Churchs instead of God?

There should be some worship just like Fast.

Do Pope have authority of God on the world?

 

[mhmtas63]

Respectfully speaking, the Quran teaches about a heretical trinity. Can you please inform the board who got it wrong? When you say “Allah” words are directly recorded in the Quran? Or was it Muhammad’s words who incorrectly got the trinity of persons wrong? When the Quran reveals the trinity of persons to be God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Blessed Virgin Mary?
I believe God cannot lie nor can God be deceived. Why would the Quran incorrectly deny a trinity that never exists nor is ever believed in by True Catholic (Christians).
Ironically, we Catholics also reject the heretical trinity the Quran reveals. That does not mean that all Muslims should NOT deny or reject the True Trinity divinely revealed by God to our humanity. Because the Quran never denies the real and True blessed Trinity.
In short, Muslims reject the same trinity we Catholic’s reject, that is revealed from the Quran = Allah.
Can you reveal who was it that declared a false trinity revealed in the Quran?
I await your answer.
Peace be with you

I answered that for Reuben:

God do not accept any (Indeed there is no any other god but only God) associate in divinity not that it matters to be a human or an angel. Holy Spirit is angel Gabriel and God notice not to attribute an angel divine attributes:

80- Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? Ali-Imran(3)

Angels: Ruh-ul Kudus or Holy Spirit(Gabriel)

Prophets: Jesus

God reject not just Trinity but all kinds of Paganism(Politeist) thought. In other verses God notice People of Book not to take their monks as lords beside God:

31- They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. At-Tawbah(9)

 

[mhmtas63]

We don’t believe this. At all.

Yes. You just don’t believe! That is all.

 

[mhmtas63]

He must have proven it. Proving it to those he persecuted would be much more difficult than proving it to anyone else in the world. He won their trust, no one doubted or denied it at the time. Just another profound work of God denied by those who want to lay claim to Him. Ever notice everyone seems to want to include Jesus in their religion? Does that happen to the founder of any other religion?

Do you know anything wrong between Paul and Apostles? There are something!

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

No, we believe. We just don’t believe in the blatant falsehoods of Islam.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Christians give their scholars the authority to change religion and faith.

False

But only God has authority to make laws in faith and religion

Whatever he has revealed, it is law and must be obeyed

To cover oneself should be a law in religion but we see Christians do not obey that God’s law. Who did abolish that law?

With all due respect, where does it say in The Holy Bible that we must cover oneself, specifically? Modesty is of course something the Church does proclaim to be good and should be excerised by all the faithful.

Only God can forgive sins. Who forgive sins in Churchs instead of God?

This is misunderstanding of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, I’d encourage you to read up on the sacrament of Reconciliation from the Catholic perspective and see what it is meant to be. We believe only God can forgive sins.

There should be some worship just like Fast.

There should be some worship just like Fast.

This is your opinion. The Church does encourage fasting, and at lent we fast.

Do Pope have authority of God on the world?

The Pope does not have more authority than God or equal. He can’t remove God’s laws which are moral laws. The Pope is the vicar of Christ and must submit himself to God. He is supposed to be Christ’s representative on Earth and be the leader of the Church. He aids the Church.

 

[mhmtas63]

With all due respect, where does it say in The Holy Bible that we must cover oneself, specifically? Modesty is of course something the Church does proclaim to be good and should be excerised by all the faithful.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 1. Corinthians 11

Jesus applied many parts of previous scripture in deeds and Paul Just remind some parts. Paul was aware of OT(Though Paul established new things)

5 ¶ The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. Deuteronomy 22

 

[theCardinalbird]

he woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. Deuteronomy 22

This pertains to cross dressing

 

[mhmtas63]

This pertains to cross dressing

64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

65 For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a veil, and covered herself. Genesis 24

 

[theCardinalbird]

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 1. Corinthians 11

You are part of a different faith so you probably have not heard that ceremonial laws are not binding forever. Moral laws are definitely binding forever because they were created by God. The Apostle Paul created a ceremonial law in the Church which is not binding forever and can be changed with the prudent judgement of the Church.

Please see this site that addresses what happened to the head covering rule:

What Happened to Mantillas? | Catholic Answers Q&A

 

[theCardinalbird]

64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

65 For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a veil, and covered herself. Genesis 24

this Bible Verse:

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. Deuteronomy 22

is talking about cross-dressing

 

[toddy]

Christian bible has few minor mystic meaning of words due to translations between languages.

Your religious belief bases on the version of Quran after 750AD, Why Muslim/Islam does not worship with the authentic Quran while the 1st Quran looks much smaller than others in deed.

My question is:
What are the conflicts and any political fabrications between the present Quran and the 1st version of Abu Kahr or copy kept by Hafsah [Mohamad’s wife] and the 2nd one by order of Uthman and another very thick Othman Quran!

Or they are different divinity believes and different Mohammad?

It is more benefits for readers to understand mysteries about the Quran and the authentic verses you said about Muslim/Islam.

 

[Benadam]

Perhaps according to Muhammad but not according to the Apostles.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

I answered that for Reuben:

No you did not answer my question.
"Can you reveal who was it that declared a false trinity revealed in the Quran?" A. Allah, B. Muhammad C. an angel named Gabriel.

The angel Gabriel recorded in the Gospels is a created Spirit.
The Holy Spirit divinely revealed by God in the Gospels is an un-created Holy Spirit = God’s Presence.
Does the Quran reveal another false claim? by claiming Gabriel to be an un-created “Holy Spirit”? What you claim here is blasphemy, making Gabriel a false god or the Quran reveals a contradiction of terms and makes another false claim, naming and isolating a created spirit to be the All Holy Divine Spirit of God.

It would appear that your interpretation of the Quran places the almighty One and Only God in a box, when the Quran restricts and limits Allah’s power, to make Allah’s Presence known to our humanity in space and time, which reveals a false and limited deity that does not have the power or will to make Allah’s presence known to Allah’s creation.

The Quran never denies or mentions the Only One True God, who makes His Presence known in the Persons of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This True Trinity is ONE GOD. Because the Quran never denies the True divinely revealed Trinity. Your false claim of the True Trinity to be polytheist comes from man and not from the Quran or God.

Peace be with you

 

[mhmtas63]

Islamic faith(Tawhid) is established through pure revelation. But doctrines of Church were established through philosophical interpretations and mysteries. Which ground is sure?