Islamic teaching questions

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mhmtas63 said:
Then where is the original revelation came to Jesus? In Gospels that revelation is being narrated by other people but not from Jesus directly. And in OT! There are some passages which do not look like pure revelation.
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The Divine Revelation is Truth Himself Jesus Christ Our God who is Our Lord and Savior.
The deposit of our faith is the Incarnation of God. His Holy Spirit was given to the 12 Apostles who through the transmission of the Holy Spirit by the Laying on of Hands continues the infallible teaching handed down from them.

You ask, where is the original revelation? The Revelation originates in Christ Jesus who is God Incarnate. With the gift of the Holy Spirit this Revelation is the deposit of faith held in the treasury of the Catholic Church. It is taught by the successors of the Apostles to this day. So it is here on earth taught and ministered by the successors of the Apostles.

As for your assessment of what is revelation of God Incarnate, how could you possibly know considering the man who is your revelator never knew Him. The Man who is our revelator IS Him.

If you want to know the Gospel according to Christ you must learn it from those He gave it to since it belongs to them. The Gospels are not a testimony of Muhammed and so it doesn’t belong to him to teach the Divine Revelation of Truth who is Jesus Christ…
 
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Great idea. Let’s be ignorant of what about 2 billion people in the world believe.
 
DeniseNY said:
Great idea. Let’s be ignorant of what about 2 billion people in the world believe.
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God is not ignorant so God awaken about case in Qur’an. Faith is not mythical issue to believe in an incarnated God. God never incarnate but God create the matter. Eternal substance does not transform into material! The eternal is always eternal just % 100 eternal. Well… That sort ideas do not emanate from revelation but philosophical interpretations from metaphorical verses.
 
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DeniseNY:
Great idea. Let’s be ignorant of what about 2 billion people in the world believe.
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God is not ignorant so God awaken about case in Qur’an. Faith is not mythical issue to believe in an incarnated God. God never incarnate but God create the matter. Eternal substance does not transform into material! The eternal is always eternal just % 100 eternal. Well… That sort ideas do not emanate from revelation but philosophical interpretations from metaphorical verses.
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mhmtas63, I think you do well in communicating the teachings of Islam in regards of your particular tradition. It’s evident that you don’t speak the English language well enough to defend those teachings or oppose the faith of English speaking Christians. With that in mind I want to ask the original question of the OP.

Does the Koran allow for revelation of God that is hidden in the Koran but wasn’t known to be in the Koran before? If so, is it revelation that no one, even Muhammed knew before?
 
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Devils do not want only 2 billions souls but entire earth of 8 billions ones. Gifts of knowledge and discernment by the Holy Spirit or the virtue of Awareness is to uncover the trap of evils. It doesnt matter of what the name of religion is but it is only between Good and Evil.

If you are holy then you know Jesus could never say the untruth which is forbidden by the Almighty God while you believe Jesus as the Son and the Savior but not God. That’s all devils need.

We are not the first people to believe Jesus was God.
The group of peasants and three kings witnessed Jesus infant as God immediately when they first met Him in Bethlehem, and that was why Hebrews king Heron did act of evil to kill all infants up to several years old, not only few weeks or months old. If you are smart then you would sense what the sign of God was.

The Holy Spirit as Holy fire and the accompanied angels descended and appeared at the Resurrection church of Jesus tomb in Jerusalem on Easter every year for the past 2018 years. This is the concrete evidence or the sign of Holy God to let us know Jesus was God indeed.

It also ensured the letter of Roman governor was true that about 15,000 saints including Adam and Eva resurrected, walked on the streets of Jerusalem and ascended to the heaven sky with Jesus. The ascension of Jesus and saints ensured the resurrection and the souls were saved. Only God can do supernatural power like this but not a prophet.

A Muslim Muezzin, called Tounom, who saw the miraculous event from an adjacent mosque, immediately abandoned the Muslim religion and became an Christian. This event took place in 1579 under Sultan Mourad IV, when the Patriarch of Jerusalem was Sophrony IV Turkish warriors stood on the wall of a building close to the gate and lightning-struck column . When he saw this striking miracle he cried that Christ is truly God and leaped down from a height of about ten meters. But he was not killed-the stones under him became as soft as wax and his footprint was left upon them.

Truly Mohammad encountered with the archangels and received the verbal scripts. The Supreme God gave commands “You shall not murder”, but some how the Quran allows killing all people not Islam. It is the conflict of Quran about godhood or unfortunately the war winners put their favor words upon prophet Mohammad’s mouth some 80 to hundreds years after the prophet had passed away, That’s all devils need.
 
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If the the Quran denies that Jesus was crucified, can you Moslems tell us how Jesus died. Or are you saying that Jesus never died but just ascended into heaven?

Moslems, or any other religion for that matter, can believe all they want. I will just leave you with the words of Jesus:

John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.”

I know that Jesus always spoke the truth and never boasted.
 
Benadam said:
Does the Koran allow for revelation of God that is hidden in the Koran but wasn’t known to be in the Koran before? If so, is it revelation that no one, even Muhammed knew before?
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My English is poor… Sorry.

The revelation was known since Adam and the revelation in Qur’an is not a knew one as main arguments just like believing in the Creator(God), angels, prophets, revelation(book), Heavens. And as main prayers just like Salaat, Fasting, İnvocation, repentance for sins etc.

The new thing is that Qur’an(God) explained those issues in an illustrative way and correct some misinterpretations of previous revelations. Otherwise Qur’an(God) notice and remind that people who have revelation(Jews and Christians) know revelation and these facts.
 
toddy said:
Devils do not want only 2 billions souls but entire earth of 8 billions ones. Gifts of knowledge and discernment by the Holy Spirit or the virtue of Awareness is to uncover the trap of evils. It doesnt matter of what the name of religion is but it is only between Good and Evil.

If you are holy then you know Jesus could never say the untruth which is forbidden by the Almighty God while you believe Jesus as the Son and the Savior but not God. That’s all devils need.

We are not the first people to believe Jesus was God.
The group of peasants and three kings witnessed Jesus infant as God immediately when they first met Him in Bethlehem, and that was why Hebrews king Heron did act of evil to kill all infants up to several years old, not only few weeks or months old . If you are smart then you would sense what the sign of God was.

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Truly Mohammad encountered with the archangels and received the verbal scripts. The Supreme God gave commands “You shall not murder”, but some how the Quran allows killing all people not Islam. It is the conflict of Quran about godhood or unfortunately the war winners put their favor words upon prophet Mohammad’s mouth some 80 to hundreds years after the prophet had passed away, That’s all devils need.
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People relate some miracles and miraculous deeds. Perhaps some are true and some are false. And let’s assume that those you say are true. But these miracles do not evidenve that Jesus was God. Because all miracles are performed by God through a prophet. If God is director(just an example) then God do not act in film. Jesus was a human just like other prophets and many prophets performed great miracles. In Mirajj miracle Muhammad ascended to Heavens and and beyonds and see God. I think that is a very great one.

It is not true that Qur’an order to kill all non-Muslims. That is a very evil misinterpretation of Qur’an. Qur’an allow Muslim to kill if someone else want to kill Muslims. But also Qur’an advise that forgiving is more creditable. And Quran do not allow to kill if those one resigned. And that verse were revealed during struggling against Mushriks(Pagans) who wanted to destroy Muslims with swords.

In OT there are verses about killing. So God is same God.

2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: (Deuter… 7)

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31

etc.
 
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Science discovered since 2012 that Jesus DNA was non-human.

Archangel Gabriel delivered the message to mother Mary that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit or God.

Jesus is God’s Son and the Holy Spirit has descended at Jesus tomb on Easter every year for over 2000 years, but not a single time at prophet Mohamad’s tomb, Black Stone or at any place else.

Do not fall into the trap of evil and deny godhood of the Savior, The Savior will not save you. Prophet Mohamad is like thousands of other prophets and does not have enough power to save your sin.
 
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upant said:
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (3:3)
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Allah sent down the Koran and Gospel.

you say the gospel got corrupted

why can’t the same be said about the Koran?

there are no eyewitnesses except muhammad that saw the angel how do you know he told the truth?
 
More than miracle.

It is how Holy God and/or the Son looks like in deed.

It is God’s visible presence at Resurrection church every year and the Holy Spirit comes out Jesus’s tomb. This is Holy God’s annual visit to earth since the Almighty God descending at Mt Sinai long ago.

God is inside Jesus’ tomb and comes out. So Jesus is truly God’s Son, the truth and the way.

Miracle is only the Holy fire appears from nowhere and does not burn the skin or the accompanied light angles.

I am not Orthodox, but I am witness for God and say the truth only to you.

For question about DNA of Jesus:
DNA tests are performed on human residue taken out of the “Jesus son of Joseph” ossuary and the “Mariamne” ossuary.
These DNA tests are conducted by Dr. Carney Matheson at the Paleo-DNA lab at Lakehead University in Ontario, one of the leading facilities of its kind in the world.
 
God never said about DNA.

May God bless and keep you.
 
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Islam is an utterly 100% false religion.

Their God is an utterly false God that has nothing whatever in common with the one true God of the catholic church.

Their deluded founder borrowed elements of catholicism to create a false religion that he imposed by the sword.
Many Islamic followers are still at this seeking to subjugate others to what is in essence a political creed based on fear, domination and brute merciless savagery
 
upant said:
Allah sent down the Koran and Gospel.

you say the gospel got corrupted

why can’t the same be said about the Koran?

there are no eyewitnesses except muhammad that saw the angel how do you know he told the truth?
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God say in Qur’an that the revelation came to Muhammad will be preserved.

9- Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. Al-Hijr(15)

As historically it is obvious. Qur’an verses were writen directly when angel Gabriel brought revelation. Later those verses were compiled in a book.

There were many eye witness of revelation and angel Gabriel. Ofcourse Sahabas(Muslims who saw prophet Muhammad) did not see Gabriel in original form but maybe sometimes in form of a human. But they were able to be aware of revelation coming to prophet if Muhammad were beside them during process. Once Holy Spirit came in form of a dove as it is writen in Gospel.
 
Sursum-Corda said:
Islam is an utterly 100% false religion.

Their God is an utterly false God that has nothing whatever in common with the one true God of the catholic church.

Their deluded founder borrowed elements of catholicism to create a false religion that he imposed by the sword.
Many Islamic followers are still at this seeking to subjugate others to what is in essence a political creed based on fear, domination and brute merciless savagery
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These arguments are irrevelant to be answered.

It is comic that some say “three” about God then they maintain on an unique god. Is falsity on which side?
 
toddy said:
Science discovered since 2012 that Jesus DNA was non-human .
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That is very strange! I don’t know how can that be explained. Even so then why you also say Jesus were 100 % human?(Indeed Jesus were just 100 % human:wink: )
 
You can not run away from an argument by attempting to claim it is irrelevant.
The God of Islam is entirely and 100% false.
It does not exist.
Those who worship and pray to it are adoring and praying to a non existent being created only in the deluded mind of the false prophet Mahommed.

The Christian deity concerns three persons in one God, each person possessing the fullness of God.
But God remains one God .

That is the truth about Deity .
 
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