Isn't "homophobe" the wrong word?

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I like this essay:

Words and Reality

 

[Polaris]

Disagreeing with an immoral agenda is not being afraid of particular persons. Fear is not the issue.

That word, like ther term “gay”, seem to be propaganda words used to change how we view bad actions.

Simple definition

Fear: awareness of danger

You believe that you are aware of the danger that homosexual will cause society. You are affraid of Gays

Now it is up to you to define if this fear is rational in the arguement. Admit you are affraid and define why you are affraid. It does not have to end a conversation. Its equavalent to calling someone a liberal or a conservative. Yet it does not bother me because I can defend why I am a liberal or conservative. Why do you end a conversation at a truth statement?

Also I agree with you that society has changed the use of the word gay, however the catholic church does this to in its favor when it reviews the past from the torture and execution of a heretic… to measures deamed necessary at the time for the protecting and preserving the faith.

No one is white in this world of bending a language to fit their goal.

 

[Robo40]

hehehe Well if you want to be exact about words the Catholic church and the members that support it are without a doubt, bigots. Now if that is good or bad is up for debate.

**NOW what would make you say that? If you want to call names why dont you back it up with fact…
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As for homophobe if you examine it piece by piece its a bad term, but the english langauge butchers so many words, does it really matter. The point is the way the majority of the population defines a word, that is what ultimatley gives the word meaning. To them it means fears of gays. Well if you examine it you are affraid of gays. The church even teaches that the acceptance of active homosexauls will destroy the family and ultimately civilization. Is it rational, is it not rational ? Who knows, only time will tell, but you are affraid of gays that can not be denied.

Actually, I am a catholic and i work for a catholic organization that DOES employ Homosexuals. I work with them every day. No Fear. I just think that they are wrong in what they do…
I fear dissapointing my Lord, Thats it…

 

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Simple definition

Fear: awareness of danger

You believe that you are aware of the danger that homosexual will cause society. You are affraid of Gays

No, that is not exactly accurate. Catholics do not fear any one person because they preach the gay agenda. They may fear the agenda, but not the person.

Now it is up to you to define if this fear is rational in the arguement. Admit you are affraid and define why you are affraid.

I think I have. I fear the normalization of vice.

It does not have to end a conversation. Its equavalent to calling someone a liberal or a conservative. Yet it does not bother me because I can defend why I am a liberal or conservative. Why do you end a conversation at a truth statement?

Because the use of term is pejorative. It is like calling one a Nazi. It is a slogan of imitidation. It is inaccurate.

Also I agree with you that society has changed the use of the word gay, however the catholic church does this to in its favor when it reviews the past from the torture and execution of a heretic…

How so?

. to measures deamed necessary at the time for the protecting and preserving the faith.

I would be happy to discuss it on a new thread.

No one is white in this world of bending a language to fit their goal.

I think the church is very accuarte and precise in using terms, unlike the gay political folks.

 

[Polaris]

Websters:
Bigot: One obstinetly or intolerently devoted to her/his own church, party, belief or opinion.

I think its pretty much safe to say your a bigot and I will even say I am bigot.
Unless you are opened to changing your mind about Homosexuality being amoral and every other belief you have including about or held by the church

I for one am not opened to changing my mind about women being equal to men. Therefore I am a proud bigot!

 

[pprimeau1976]

Homophobia is the wrong word! Here is why:

arachnophobia = arachnid + phobia = fear of spiders
claustrophobia = claustrum + phobia = fear of enclosed spaces.
homophobia = homo + phobia = fear of men

So, if there is any group that should be called homophobes, it would be lesbians and far out radical feminists.

 

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Websters:
Bigot: One obstinetly or intolerently devoted to her/his own church, party, belief or opinion.

I think its pretty much safe to say your a bigot and I will even say I am bigot.
Unless you are opened to changing your mind about Homosexuality being amoral and every other belief you have including about or held by the church

I for one am not opened to changing my mind about women being equal to men. Therefore I am a proud bigot!

That is not a correct use of the word.

Main Entry: big·ot m-w.com/images/audio.gif
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

The understanding of homosexual acts as vice is not an opinion or a prejudice.

 

[Polaris]

That is not a correct use of the word.

The understanding of homosexual acts as vice is not an opinion or a prejudice.

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maybe I am old fasioned but here is my source

Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary
Published by G.C.Meriam Company
Springfiel Massachusetts, USA
Copyright 1979
pg 108

Then I looked online first definition on Google in the corner by the word

American Heritage Dictionary
big·ot (bĭg’ət)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

hmmmmmm is some one cherry picking there definitions. Accept it your a bigot, Im a bigot, we are all bigots.
Dont let it bother you its just a word.

 

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I

maybe I am old fasioned but here is my source

Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary
Published by G.C.Meriam Company
Springfiel Massachusetts, USA
Copyright 1979
pg 108

Then I looked online first definition on Google in the corner by the word

American Heritage Dictionary
big·ot (bĭg’ət)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

hmmmmmm is some one cherry picking there definitions. Accept it your a bigot, Im a bigot, we are all bigots.
Dont let it bother you its just a word.

Words have influence. That is why some want to redefine them.

 

[RhyannaRose]

<< It is just a word to shut people up. If you start saying anything negative about the homosexual lifestyle, you are a homophobe. This kind of name-calling is detrimental and eliminates discussion.>>

That’s exactly what political correctness aims to do, stop discussion. They just want us all to shut up and play along. And we see were that kind of attitude is getting our country and our world.

 

[trentonzero]

<< It is just a word to shut people up. If you start saying anything negative about the homosexual lifestyle, you are a homophobe. This kind of name-calling is detrimental and eliminates discussion.>>

That’s exactly what political correctness aims to do, stop discussion. They just want us all to shut up and play along. And we see were that kind of attitude is getting our country and our world.

I’m not sure this is the correct way to go about it.

Political correctness is the expression of a fundamentally good idea: “Be offended by offensive ideas.”

Whoever ‘owns’ the political correctness of the society owns the moral attitude of it. There was a time when you were not an atheist, because it would be politically incorrect. There was a time when you did not allow yourself to be seen as supporting immoral behavior, because it was not politically correct.

Railing against political correctness itself is shooting ourselves in the foot. It’s political correctness or relativism. Liberals don’t care either way, so long as they own political correctness.

The solution is to get out there and BE politically correct in Catholic ways.

 

[blessedtoo]

Fear: awareness of danger

You believe that you are aware of the danger that homosexual will cause society. You are affraid of Gays

Now it is up to you to define if this fear is rational in the arguement. Admit you are affraid and define why you are affraid. It does not have to end a conversation. Its equavalent to calling someone a liberal or a conservative. Yet it does not bother me because I can defend why I am a liberal or conservative. Why do you end a conversation at a truth statement?

Catholics are sin-o-phobes, okay? If you want to call us something, call us that. Any group agenda (pro-aborts, pro-gay marriage advocates, pro liberal sex ed in schools, etc) that supports the demoralization of a civilization is a danger and rightly should be feared.

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

Catholics are sin-o-phobes, okay? If you want to call us something, call us that. Any group agenda (pro-aborts, pro-gay marriage advocates, pro liberal sex ed in schools, etc) that supports the demoralization of a civilization is a danger and rightly should be feared.

I read an interesting quote from a trendy

“attitudes to Islam are too complex to use the term Islamophobia”.

This was a person who wanted to use Islam as a lever to deChristianise society, not by saying that Christians are wrong, but by saying that every other religion is equal. However he had woken up to the fact that every feature he dislikes in Christianity is present in Islam, in double measure. But “Islamophobia” was a boo word to apply to the far right. It couldn’t possibly apply to him.

 

[Riley259]

if homophobe was used merely to describe people that were violent toward gays then it would not be a bad word. instead it is used to very broadly paint anyone who thinks that the act of homosexuality is a sin.

i have a lot of sympathy for those who suffer from ssa. i can’t imagine what a large cross it is to carry to have attractions for your own gender and not be able to act upon them. further i highly admire and am in awe of those who choose a celibate lifestyle for the sake of their beliefs. yet, by many people would think that i was a homophobe because i think that the act of homosexuality is a sin.

we either need to narrow the definition of a homophobe or we need to throw it out all together.

The gay activists won’t let us throw it out…they keep throwing it in our face. A very effective but wrongheaded tactic on their part.

 

[Tmaque]

Those (like myself) who recognize active homosexuality for what it is… intrinsically sinful… are often referred to as “homophobes”; one who is afraid of active homosexuality.

I’ve decided not to take it anymore. I’ve coined my own phrase; “homotaedet”. One who is disgusted by active homosexuality.

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I call that “normal”. People that use the word “homophobe” to describe people who don’t think homosexuality is the source and summit of all things good are the real bigots.

 

[Tmaque]

I

maybe I am old fasioned but here is my source

Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary
Published by G.C.Meriam Company
Springfiel Massachusetts, USA
Copyright 1979
pg 108

Then I looked online first definition on Google in the corner by the word

American Heritage Dictionary
big·ot (bĭg’ət)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

hmmmmmm is some one cherry picking there definitions. Accept it your a bigot, Im a bigot, we are all bigots.
Dont let it bother you its just a word.

I’m tolerant of those with SSA, I’m tolerant of porn addicts, and tolerant of other religions. I not only tolerate them I know them and love them. I do however believe that they are wrong in their actions. That is NOT bigotry.

 

[Tmaque]

I wonder how many men on these forums would be willing to give a brotherly hug to someone who mentioned being “homophile”. I know I would have no problem with it no matter what anyone wants to call me.

Yes, but would you let your child hug a pedophile?

 

[goofyjim]

Yes, but would you let your child hug a pedophile?

There we go again. Equating homophile with pedophile. Of course I would not but as long as he did not know I wouldn’t mind my child hugging a homophile.

 

[Dale_M]

Homophobia is the wrong word! Here is why:

arachnophobia = arachnid + phobia = fear of spiders
claustrophobia = claustrum + phobia = fear of enclosed spaces.
homophobia = homo + phobia = fear of men

No, that doesn’t exhaust all of the meanings of “phob-”

For example: hydrophobic - repels water (think of hydrophobic molecules)
or xenophobic- unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples

I think the folks who defined phob- as meaning “averse toward” have it right.

 

[johnlal]

Those (like myself) who recognize active homosexuality for what it is… intrinsically sinful… are often referred to as “homophobes”; one who is afraid of active homosexuality.

Let me provide an analog:
Worshiping false gods is very sinful. However, you wouldn’t be justified in hating or being afraid of hindus. You wouldn’t keep your children away from Hindu people. You wouldn’t physically harm people because they were hindus. You wouldn’t advocate laws that deny hindus of civil rights. You wouldn’t keep hindu people from marrying each other, even though their marriage rituals are different from ours. You might even study their history, appreciate their culture, and admire their historical heroes without adopting their beliefs.

If you disagree with homosexuality/ or think it’s sinful then you’re probably a good Catholic.
If you actively avoid homosexual people, then you might be a homophobe. (Let’s face it. If you actively avoid sinners, you are a very lonely person).
The people who killed Matthew Shepard are homophobes. The people who picket the funerals of homosexuals are homophobes. People who keep their children away from homosexuals (unless they are suspected of being predators) are probably homophobes.