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Fomalhaut
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You are assuming he said “Science can know ANY objective truth”. He didn’t say that. He said that if you reach an objective truth, that must be through science. Science never claimed to find ALL the answers, especially not ethical ones.Please prodive scientific evidence, that grabing the next baby you see from her mothers arms and take it home to have “dinner” is objectively wrong.
(And please do not stop by providing evidence that a stable society needs to regard this as wrong, because that only shifts the question for scientific evidence, why a stable society is preferable, besides there have been somewhat stable societies in spite of cannibalism.Even if you argue that without stable society there would be no science, this doesnt help much, as then scientific evidence in favor for having science is necessary, which might be a bit cricular. And no, i am not suggesting you are amoral, i’m just suggesting you do not have scentific evidence in favor of being moral. Furthermore, a majority of people finding something disgusting isn’t scientific evidence either.)
In case you fail at providing scientific evidence that eating babies is wrong, you are left with two options:
-science is the only way of knowing objective truth and one cannot objectively say its wrong to eat babies
-its objectively wrong to eat babies, but science cannot show, therefore it must be possible to acquire obejective knowledge in some other way (which could be anything according to personal preference, most posters here would probably suggest Christianity)
(Note that i find neither conclusion in any way despicable, i just dislike people proclaiming that science is the only way for objective truth, but then skipping the issue that science offers at least no obvious evidence that eating babies might be wrong.)
Studer is wrong, but not for the reasons you are advocating. Studer is wrong because science cannot reach an objective truth. It can only make predictions, very accurate ones, but that you could never call “objective truth”. A scientific theory is a model, made to be refuted. An objective truth is absolute, permanent, this is not scientific. In fact, as I said in another thread:
Philosophy and science actually have the same problem: induction. For example, you never saw a yellow raven, you saw hundreds and hundreds of black ones, you can have an inductive reasoning: “I never saw a yellow raven, therefore they doesn’t exist”. This is obviously flawed. You are trying to imagine laws to explain what you see that extend beyond what you already saw. It has good chances to work, but you can never be sure it is 100% truth. However, if one day you see a yellow raven, then you can have a direct deductive reasoning and safely say “Yellow ravens exist”. But this is not science, it is pure logic.
Science and philosophy try to get general laws, and are deeply flawed because of this induction problem. That’s why informed people will never claim they know the objective truth thanks to a scientific theory.