Isn't particular judgment the same as general judgment

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except for the timing? One happens right after death, and the other happens at an undetermined time. The result is still the same. And I doubt those who were sent to hell in the particular judgment would get a reprieve during the general judgment.
 
The usual understanding is that the fullness of the punishment–or reward–does not happen until after the general judgement.
 
yesukristus said:
except for the timing? One happens right after death, and the other happens at an undetermined time. The result is still the same. And I doubt those who were sent to hell in the particular judgment would get a reprieve during the general judgment.
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Yes, the particular judgement happens at the moment of death. The sentence isn’t changed at the General judgement. It happens before all to give glory to our Lord.
 
The general judgment accomplishes at least two things that are not accomplished at the particular judgment.

[1] God’s judgement about each persons salvation is known to all. This is so that, knowing all the facts, no one can say that God unjustly allows anyone to go to hell, but that the person going there, by the life he lived on earth and in spite of all the opportunities and graces given, in fact chose hell over eternity with God. Conversely, one who seemed to be a reprobate on earth, may be found in heaven because God in his mercy knew all circumstances of this persons life that we did not. Thus God’s mercy and justice will be manifest to all.

[2] Between the time that we have our particular judgment and the general judgment at the end of time, the results of the good and evil that we have done in our lives will have had their full effect. For example, if one were an abusive parent, one would see the generational results that his or her sins set into motion. Conversely, if one worked for pro-life issues their whole life --even feeling that he had little to show for it – everyone would be allowed to see the good fruit that eventually resulted, even after you were gone.

For more information, you might find this article helpful:

rosary-center.org/ll49n6.htm

Hope that helps. 🙂
 
Whatever the Church teaching on all this might be, there is a phenomenon that may shed light on the matter to some extent. This is the phenomenon of NDE, or Near Death Experience. The work done on this potentially transformative experience (it was radically so for me) has revealed a point of great interest relevant to the thread question.

A world wide study of NDE’s has revealed that all such experiences include form one to seven clearly distinguishable phases. It would seem important in terms of religious beliefs that these phases were identical in form with no regard for age, gender, language, IQ, status, location, culture or religion or lack of it.

One of the phases is called the “life review” or by some the “judgment” phase. In this the subject dispassionately views some or all of their life significant life experiences in terms of two questions: “Did you Love?” and “What did you learn?” Again, interestingly enough, there is no reference made to the subject’s religion or practice thereof in formal terms, eg, did they fulfill the requirements of their religion as to dogmatic beliefs, participation in rituals, missionaryism, etc, except in the context of was it done in love and what was learned. the participation itself was incidental and not of consequence, only the state of heart/mind.

It is my opinion, from having had an NDE, that that the universality of this experience ought rightfully to be considered as a factor in the efficacy of any religious practice. What I mean is; what is the actual significance of participating in Church rituals and adhering to dogma, if the actual judgment of one’s soul is based on two universally foundational questions that have no reference to the subject’s religious practice? Would it not be far more useful in terms, then, of judgment, to have an affective education in the way of the Golden Rule? And also employment of the age old dictum to “Know thyself” so that one is familiar with the shenanigans the the brain uses to construct and project our experience as humans? Can you imagine what it might feel like to witness your own actions relative to Loving and Knowing contrasted to all the time spent in faith questions that don’t bear on the issues?

For a brilliant exposition of what these experiences are like and what they are about, I might suggest Danion Brinkley’s Saved by the Light as well as his later works after a second experience, or go to near-death.com/index.html for resources pertinent to experiences and studies.
 
Detales said:
Whatever the Church teaching on all this might be, there is a phenomenon that may shed light on the matter to some extent. This is the phenomenon of NDE, or Near Death Experience. The work done on this potentially transformative experience (it was radically so for me) has revealed a point of great interest relevant to the thread question.

A world wide study of NDE’s has revealed that all such experiences include form one to seven clearly distinguishable phases. It would seem important in terms of religious beliefs that these phases were identical in form with no regard for age, gender, language, IQ, status, location, culture or religion or lack of it.

One of the phases is called the “life review” or by some the “judgment” phase. In this the subject dispassionately views some or all of their life significant life experiences in terms of two questions: “Did you Love?” and “What did you learn?” Again, interestingly enough, there is no reference made to the subject’s religion or practice thereof in formal terms, eg, did they fulfill the requirements of their religion as to dogmatic beliefs, participation in rituals, missionaryism, etc, except in the context of was it done in love and what was learned. the participation itself was incidental and not of consequence, only the state of heart/mind.

It is my opinion, from having had an NDE, that that the universality of this experience ought rightfully to be considered as a factor in the efficacy of any religious practice. What I mean is; what is the actual significance of participating in Church rituals and adhering to dogma, if the actual judgment of one’s soul is based on two universally foundational questions that have no reference to the subject’s religious practice? Would it not be far more useful in terms, then, of judgment, to have an affective education in the way of the Golden Rule? And also employment of the age old dictum to “Know thyself” so that one is familiar with the shenanigans the the brain uses to construct and project our experience as humans? Can you imagine what it might feel like to witness your own actions relative to Loving and Knowing contrasted to all the time spent in faith questions that don’t bear on the issues?

For a brilliant exposition of what these experiences are like and what they are about, I might suggest Danion Brinkley’s Saved by the Light as well as his later works after a second experience, or go to near-death.com/index.html for resources pertinent to experiences and studies.
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The OP is asking a question relative to Catholic Dogma not your personal theories and speculation and unsubstantiated opinions. Stop using every OP that is posted here at CAF as a personal opportunity to evangelize people away from Catholicism and to abandon the 2,000 year old practices of The Church based on your anonymous testimony that can’t be ratified or confirmed by anyone. As much as you would like it to be so this forum is NOT all about Detales’ personal speculations and your personal universalistic religious views. It is against forum rules to use this forum as a means to evangelize others away from the Catholic faith.

James
 
I appologizes, James, I mistook you for someone who is not the moderator or OP.
 
I hope so. He is intelligent. We have had some nice chats. But this is off topic.
 
Fidelis said:
The general judgment accomplishes at least two things that are not accomplished at the particular judgment.

[1] God’s judgement about each persons salvation is known to all. This is so that, knowing all the facts, no one can say that God unjustly allows anyone to go to hell, but that the person going there, by the life he lived on earth and in spite of all the opportunities and graces given, in fact chose hell over eternity with God. Conversely, one who seemed to be a reprobate on earth, may be found in heaven because God in his mercy knew all circumstances of this persons life that we did not. Thus God’s mercy and justice will be manifest to all.

[2] Between the time that we have our particular judgment and the general judgment at the end of time, the results of the good and evil that we have done in our lives will have had their full effect. For example, if one were an abusive parent, one would see the generational results that his or her sins set into motion. Conversely, if one worked for pro-life issues their whole life --even feeling that he had little to show for it – everyone would be allowed to see the good fruit that eventually resulted, even after you were gone.

For more information, you might find this article helpful:

rosary-center.org/ll49n6.htm

Hope that helps. 🙂
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very well stated, thank you…

all that is hidden would be revealed, and we will see the fruit of our sins.

You know about 5 years ago a horrible crime took place my city. A yound boy was missing and later found in a pond, not a good ending…4 years of police and CSI investigation has gone nowhere. It was broadcast atleast twice in Amercias Most Wanted Show… To this day, this is a Cold Cold Case.

I told my wife one day we all will know who committed this crime, and others like it. We will know in the general judgement…
 
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